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[Greenslade]

Quieter fans? Probably. Most are standard form factors, typically 80mm or 92mm in OEM systems.

Non-system disk error likely means that there isn't a bootable device where the system is looking for one. What are you using as an installation medium? How is your destination drive attached, and is the BIOS set to look for it?

You probably don't need a special device driver; that message is for users who have something unusual like a SCSI controller or RAID card.

Can you take some pics showing your setup? Fans and drive connections. Also model number of the machine if you know it.

Quieter fans? Probably. Most are standard form factors, typically 80mm or 92mm in OEM systems.

Non-system disk error likely means that there isn't a bootable device where the system is looking for one. What are you using as an installation medium? How is your destination drive attached, and is the BIOS set to look for it?

You probably don't need a special device driver; that message is for users who have something unusual like a SCSI controller or RAID card.

Can you take some pics showing your setup? Fans and drive connections. Also model number of the machine if you know it.

This is the HP Compaq D530 this IDE drive apparently has Windows 7 on. The other IDE drive came up with the other stuff, you mentioned, someone on here told me a couple of caps are going. I can,t find the other drive with all the stuff you mentioned. At the end of the day, I put them in the Athlon PC to try and format them on a two-drive ide cable but they did not show, and neither did the OS I had on there. And both of them had the jumpers as Slave.i also tried cable select.IDE blue to the motherboard the end of the IDE to the Master and the middle one to Slave I tried them are few times either as cable select or Slave, IDE drives suck.
If I could replace those caps and be able to put it in another case I would but being Hp I don,t know that that could be done. As I would have to take it out of that crap case to replace those caps.I don,t want to have to put it back in that case. There is no side panal.on it. CD, I take it the other IDE drive does not have an OS on it. I have been unable to get into the bios. As regards the Athlon PC that is known to be a noise CPU from what I have seen on youtube.
This is the other drive the one without an OS on it. I put an os in the CD drive here is what came up. The other shots I could not put up before this stage come up like 787 788 there so bad on this Sony camera I am using a Mac. I have a Canon camera but I can,t get it to work on my Mac. It is too much trouble to swap from this Hp to mu one of my other PC.s The Cannon camera does better pictures than the Sony. I can,t do much with it I don,t know whether the second drive has been formatted, And there is no way to do that unless I got an IDE docking station and that cost a few bob not worth getting for two ide drives.It is a shame i can,t get them to work with my Athlon

 

[Ruru]

The fan on the CPU cooler is probably 70mm and the exhaust is probably 80 or 92mm. Take a measuring tape and check their dimensions; they can be replaced.

 

[Jism]

Never even knew that any AMD board has that interesting feature. I just remember the hype back in the day and well, as it did sound good on paper, the implemention wasn't that good like seen on RETRO Hardware's video even with similar cards. Having AMD + Nvidia combined the mess would've probably been even worse.

AMD never had such features. It was a add-on done by Asus and that was a 3rd party to a hardware type of approach in regards of running multiple cards. Fact that you could even mix Nvidia with ATI cards back then was quite stunning. But it was buggy, not all games supported it, and the few reviews you see out there generall complain about the various bugs and issues it got.

 

[Ruru]

AMD never had such features. It was a add-on done by Asus and that was a 3rd party to a hardware type of approach in regards of running multiple cards. Fact that you could even mix Nvidia with ATI cards back then was quite stunning. But it was buggy, not all games supported it, and the few reviews you see out there generall complain about the various bugs and issues it got.

I know and like I said, I remember the hype around the Hydra chip back in the day. But it wasn't hard to guess that as it sounded nice in paper, its result was more or less "meh".

 

[Valantar]

and be able to put it in another case I would

That looks like a standard mATX motherboard to me, and the PSU looks standard too - but that's a bit harder to tell. Easiest way to check is to just get a tape measure and check its dimensions, then google ATX PSU dimensions to confirm. At least the board looks like it'd fit in any mATX or ATX case.

 

[MaxiPro800]

IIRC the PSUs weren't standard in dimensions.

The mainboards used on those are standard microATX, although the I/O side where the shield would be isn't fully standard. It's slightly shifted a bit to make place for a RS232/Serial port. The mainboard mounting holes are standard though.

 

[Ruru]

IIRC the PSUs weren't standard in dimensions.

The mainboards used on those are standard microATX, although the I/O side where the shield would be isn't fully standard. It's slightly shifted a bit to make place for a RS232/Serial port. The mainboard mounting holes are standard though.

Not impossible. I have one hp compaq case which has standard ATX board holes, but the PSU has a non-standard form factor though it's still ATX otherwise.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

This is the HP Compaq D530 this IDE drive apparently has Windows 7 on. The other IDE drive came up with the other stuff, you mentioned, someone on here told me a couple of caps are going. I can,t find the other drive with all the stuff you mentioned. At the end of the day, I put them in the Athlon PC to try and format them on a two-drive ide cable but they did not show, and neither did the OS I had on there. And both of them had the jumpers as Slave.i also tried cable select.IDE blue to the motherboard the end of the IDE to the Master and the middle one to Slave I tried them are few times either as cable select or Slave, IDE drives suck.
If I could replace those caps and be able to put it in another case I would but being Hp I don,t know that that could be done. As I would have to take it out of that crap case to replace those caps.I don,t want to have to put it back in that case. There is no side panal.on it. CD, I take it the other IDE drive does not have an OS on it. I have been unable to get into the bios. As regards the Athlon PC that is known to be a noise CPU from what I have seen on youtube.
This is the other drive the one without an OS on it. I put an os in the CD drive here is what came up. The other shots I could not put up before this stage come up like 787 788 there so bad on this Sony camera I am using a Mac. I have a Canon camera but I can,t get it to work on my Mac. It is too much trouble to swap from this Hp to mu one of my other PC.s The Cannon camera does better pictures than the Sony. I can,t do much with it I don,t know whether the second drive has been formatted, And there is no way to do that unless I got an IDE docking station and that cost a few bob not worth getting for two ide drives.It is a shame i can,t get them to work with my Athlon

What the drive has on it already isn't important; you'll be overwriting all of that in any case. So from what I can gather, your motherboard has two IDE channels, and it looks like each drive is on its own channel/cable (correct me if I'm wrong). HP's documentation isn't fantastic, but what there is doesn't suggest that you can boot from USB, which is unfortunate and means you'll be installing from CD.

Cable Select is great when it works, but it doesn't always. So manually set all drives to Master (if you have two IDE cables). Unplug everything from the board except the optical drive, which should be connected to the secondary (white) IDE channel. It should automatically boot from CD/DVD. If it doesn't, you'll need to adjust boot options in the BIOS, which is unfortunately poorly documented. Disable floppy drives and network boot support if you go in there since we won't be using those and it'll cut down on boot errors.

If Setup loads, we're making progress. You won't have a destination drive hooked up at this point, so shut down and connect a hard drive, which should be set for Master and on the primary (blue) channel. There's a chance that the boot priority will change when you do this, so if you get a no-boot-device error, go back to the BIOS and set boot priority for CD/DVD first, hard drive second, and disable all other boot options if there are any. Hypothetically, if all goes well to this point you'll be able to run setup normally.
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Now for some side info. I ran back through the thread a bit, but am not sure I grasped everything you've already tried, so apologies if I'm going over old ground. You mentioned running through a SATA-to-IDE adapter at one point. I'd advise against that. While it should work, running devices through adapters often introduces weird behaviour that can be difficult to diagnose or solve. Try to stick with native IDE drives for this system. A web search suggests that the ntkrnlmp.exe error could be down to either the optical drive or memory. One post I found claimed that XP installation was very sensitive to RAM issues. You probably don't have a spare ODD, but if you have a second RAM module, replace the one that's currently installed. If you don't have one available (or if you do and the error persists), move the module to the neighboring slot. DDR is dirt cheap, so grab some from CL or eBay if you're serious about resurrecting this system. If you're still getting that error and want to try a different ODD, I can send you one for cost of shipping.

EDIT: One more thing; that board is standard mATX, and will fit in almost any case you like.

 

[MaxiPro800]

Not impossible. I have one hp compaq case which has standard ATX board holes, but the PSU has a non-standard form factor though it's still ATX otherwise.

That's true, but the specific model he has uses a non-standard sized PSU. I've personally had two to scrap (both were unfixable in my case) and the PSU was more of a cube shape than the standard rectangular format you see on standard ATX units.

Electrically wise the PSU is indeed ATX compatible. It's just the casing (of the PSU, and indirectly the D530's case as well) it uses that is non-standard.

 

[Greenslade]

What the drive has on it already isn't important; you'll be overwriting all of that in any case. So from what I can gather, your motherboard has two IDE channels, and it looks like each drive is on its own channel/cable (correct me if I'm wrong). HP's documentation isn't fantastic, but what there is doesn't suggest that you can boot from USB, which is unfortunate and means you'll be installing from CD.

Cable Select is great when it works, but it doesn't always. So manually set all drives to Master (if you have two IDE cables). Unplug everything from the board except the optical drive, which should be connected to the secondary (white) IDE channel. It should automatically boot from CD/DVD. If it doesn't, you'll need to adjust boot options in the BIOS, which is unfortunately poorly documented. Disable floppy drives and network boot support if you go in there since we won't be using those and it'll cut down on boot errors.

If Setup loads, we're making progress. You won't have a destination drive hooked up at this point, so shut down and connect a hard drive, which should be set for Master and on the primary (blue) channel. There's a chance that the boot priority will change when you do this, so if you get a no-boot-device error, go back to the BIOS and set boot priority for CD/DVD first, hard drive second, and disable all other boot options if there are any. Hypothetically, if all goes well to this point you'll be able to run setup normally.
____________

Now for some side info. I ran back through the thread a bit, but am not sure I grasped everything you've already tried, so apologies if I'm going over old ground. You mentioned running through a SATA-to-IDE adapter at one point. I'd advise against that. While it should work, running devices through adapters often introduces weird behaviour that can be difficult to diagnose or solve. Try to stick with native IDE drives for this system. A web search suggests that the ntkrnlmp.exe error could be down to either the optical drive or memory. One post I found claimed that XP installation was very sensitive to RAM issues. You probably don't have a spare ODD, but if you have a second RAM module, replace the one that's currently installed. If you don't have one available (or if you do and the error persists), move the module to the neighboring slot. DDR is dirt cheap, so grab some from CL or eBay if you're serious about resurrecting this system. If you're still getting that error and want to try a different ODD, I can send you one for cost of shipping.

EDIT: One more thing; that board is standard mATX, and will fit in almost any case you like.

Both only one for CD and one for HDD and a Floppy no Floppy in the Athlon. On the Athlon, I have a two-drive IDE cabal. one is a SATA which has a SATA to IDE adaptor. The drive that came with the Athlon was an IDE drive that had the OS on. I disconnected the IDE drive and put the OS on the other drive. I changed the jumper from what the seller had put it on from Cable select to Slave and then deleted and formatted that drive . In hindsight, I should have kept that OS and disconnected the other drive. And perhaps the other two IDE drives would have shown up on the PC. I just can,t understand why they did not show with the other drive with the adapter. That was the first stage of trying to format and delete the other two drives.
I made sure the cabals and connectors were well in. I think IDE is very temporary mental

Both only one for CD and one for HDD and a Floppy no Floppy in the Athlon. On the Athlon, I have a two-drive IDE cabal. one is a SATA which has a SATA to IDE adaptor. The drive that came with the Athlon was an IDE drive that had the OS on. I disconnected the IDE drive and put the OS on the other drive. I changed the jumper from what the seller had put it on from Cable select to Slave and then deleted and formatted that drive . In hindsight, I should have kept that OS and disconnected the other drive. And perhaps the other two IDE drives would have shown up on the PC. I just can,t understand why they did not show with the other drive with the adapter. That was the first stage of trying to format and delete the other two drives.
I made sure the cabals and connectors were well in. I think IDE is very temporary mental

It did load up the one that had Windows 7 and came to the blue screen of the death message.For the second one I tried to load an OS on it but it came to the message I first told you about it might need a device driver. Nothing about floppy comes up I disconnected it.
That is my thought about adapters. perhaps if I change the IDE one to MASTER in the case and disconnect the one with the adapter and put an OS on there i hopefully will be able to
get the other two IDE drives to show on the Athlon.I will come back on your last point.

 

[Ruru]

Try everything with cable select. You can't go wrong with it.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Try everything with cable select. You can't go wrong with it.

Cable select can absolutely go wrong. It just usually doesn't.

@Greenslade, one thing and one system at a time. I'm having a bit of trouble following what's happening, to be honest. Choose either the HP or the Athlon, and describe how it's configured and what's currently going on and what you're trying to accomplish.

 

[Ruru]

Cable select can absolutely go wrong. It just usually doesn't.

@Greenslade, one thing and one system at a time. I'm having a bit of trouble following what's happening, to be honest. Choose either the HP or the Athlon, and describe how it's configured and what's currently going on and what you're trying to accomplish.

Maybe I've just had luck. Just like mixing memory; never had any problems

Crap, I think my PS3's laser is dying.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Maybe I've just had luck. Just like mixing memory; never had any problems

Crap, I think my PS3's laser is dying.

Yeah, I hear you. I've done (and continue to do) so many things on PCs that one strictly isn't supposed to.

Silver lining on the PS3 laser, that's a relatively easy fix. They're even still cheap! Quality's a crapshoot, though. Maybe grab more than one.

 

[Ruru]

Yeah, I hear you. I've done (and continue to do) so many things on PCs that one strictly isn't supposed to.

Silver lining on the PS3 laser, that's a relatively easy fix. They're even still cheap! Quality's a crapshoot, though. Maybe grab more than one.

What's that, googling "ps3 laser silver lining" doesn't result to anything useful.

 

[Greenslade]

Try everything with cable select. You can't go wrong with it.

I think what our friend 80 watt hamster said is the way to go I have put the jumper to
Master but it says no device and come to this screen
MSCDEX version 2.25 copyright Microsoft 1986 -1995 ALL RIGHTS Reserved
Drive D DRIVER OEMCDOO1 UNIT 0
A:\.> ? I am lost
Boot from Hard disk
Boot from CD
BLINKING - ?
Why does it not recognize it it said no drives, there is a Master-only drive on here.
Please enter the file name for new bios.?
note EZ flash will copy a file from A;\ press ESC to reboot
Back to the start screen
setup is checking to set up XP
I have no idea what I am doing, it should just start up and get the OD on the drive.
Srt up is loading files
After all it says file NTFS .SYS CAUSED an unexpected error 32768 at line 5091 in
d;\xpsp\base\boot\aetup\setup.c
Press any key to restart

 

[68Olds]

@Greenslade is there a floppy disk in the drive? I see you put A:\>, which should be the floppy drive.

MSCDEX version 2.25 copyright Microsoft 1986 -1995 ALL RIGHTS Reserved
Drive D DRIVER OEMCDOO1 UNIT 0

^ that is the CD drive.

As 80-watt Hamster, please focus problems one system at a time & be clear which PC. I keep getting confused on which system you're asking about.

 

[Greenslade]

@Greenslade is there a floppy disk in the drive? I see you put A:\>, which should be the floppy drive.

^ that is the CD drive.

As 80-watt Hamster, please focus problems one system at a time & be clear which PC. I keep getting confused on which system you're asking about.

Sorry, this is on the Athlon 2400 PC there is nothing I can do with the other one untell I wipe and format the drives. And to do that I have to get an OS on the IDE drive in this PC. And then hopefully be able to get the other drives on here to format them. This drive is set to Master but my PC says the only Master on here is the cd drive . And that the cd drive is the only one on here. The only drive it comes up with is the IDE one with Windows 7 and that has a start-up and repair checking the system for problems. Which it never does of course,
IDE sucks As I already new it can,t out the problem of the drive.

 

[Ruru]

Sorry, this is on the Athlon 2400 PC there is nothing I can do with the other one untell I wipe and format the drives. And to do that I have to get an OS on the IDE drive in this PC. And then hopefully be able to get the other drives on here to format them. This drive is set to Master but my PC says the only Master on here is the cd drive . And that the cd drive is the only one on here. The only drive it comes up with is the IDE one with Windows 7 and that has a start-up and repair checking the systen for problems. Which it never does of course.

I can't keep up, sorry.

-is the HDD and optical drive both master?
-are they on different IDE channels?

 

[Greenslade]

I can't keep up, sorry.

-is the HDD and optical drive both master?
-are they on different IDE channels?

Yes , both Masters, but on different channels. For the first time ever it has gone straight to
to the BIOS Setup utility
Error loading operating system

 

[stinger608]

Cable select can absolutely go wrong. It just usually doesn't.

Yeppers, if you are just running a single hard drive, then cable select should be okay. However, if running more than one hard drive, then it really needs to be selected as either the master or slave.
Keep us posted @Greenslade

 

[68Olds]

Is there a floppy disk in the A:\ drive? If so, pop it out.

 

[Greenslade]

I can't keep up, sorry.

-is the HDD and optical drive both master?
-are they on different IDE channels?

Is there a floppy disk in the A:\ drive? If so, pop it out.

There is no floppy drive on here.

Yeppers, if you are just running a single hard drive, then cable select should be okay. However, if running more than one hard drive, then it really needs to be selected as either the master or slave.
Keep us posted @Greenslade

It has loaded up the drives but keeps on saying error loading operating system. How do i sort that out?

 

[stinger608]

It has loaded up the drives but keeps on saying error loading operating system. How do i sort that out?

Well bro, that's sounding like a bad hard drive to me. Usually that's a good indication of a bad drive.

Have you tried any other drives? Hmm, maybe you have already explained that and I missed it. LOL

 

[Greenslade]

Well bro, that's sounding like a bad hard drive to me. Usually that's a good indication of a bad drive.

Have you tried any other drives? Hmm, maybe you have already explained that and I missed it. LOL

I got it sorted after watching this video.I changed IDE Cabal this cabal is new only used it a few times,Like our friend from Sweden said the other thing is dust in the cabal slot.

I tried to get the two other drives to work on here with the new cabale with no success. IDE sucksI think i will leave it at that and use CF card,s i have one but i will get another one and put two os on here with the 80gb as storage space.I just hope i don,t get more problems. I tried it again with the other two drives it went to the blue screen. And only works with the one with the Sata to IDEA adapter on it with the one that came with the PC. That is the last time I try it.