Windows 11 General Discussion

[rbgc]

Right? Not to mention they leave WinRM and Remote Registry running and exposed to the web by default as well... Utter nonsense. And people wonder why I do things the way I do?...

This service, another service, unused service, all exposed, opened, security hole, ...

Keep you PC (notebook) unchanged because you don't know when you will need original management services config. Wasted time to modify it again and again. Simply enable "Block all incoming connections, ..." in firewall. Your comp will be client, not server and protected from unwanted external incoming connections. Simple, quick and easily revertible network services protection.

 

[Space Lynx]

This service, another service, unused service, all exposed, opened, security hole, ...

Keep you PC (notebook) unchanged because you don't know when you will need original management services config. Wasted time to modify it again and again. Simply enable "Block all incoming connections, ..." in firewall. Your comp will be client, not server and protected from unwanted external incoming connections. Simple, quick and easily revertible network services protection.

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ummm that means no internet period though? which means no visiting TPU... lol

 

[OneMoar]

ummm that means no internet period though? which means no visiting TPU... lol

that may not be a bad thing

 

[P4-630]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1599462078649028608

 

[Space Lynx]

that may not be a bad thing

I wouldn't mind that except so many games require internet these days even if single player... cause pathetic design is pathetic design.

 

[OneMoar]

I wouldn't mind that except so many games require internet these days even if single player... cause pathetic design is pathetic design.

 

[windwhirl]

what are your thoughts on shutupten for win11? its an easy checkmark if you just select "recommended"

block shutupten exe in firewall, and just let it do its thing? for casual user seems like a good use. i think i will start using it again, just want to know someone elses opinion on this software first

Every user is different, so I'd refuse to tell you to go with the 1-click option lol

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1599462078649028608

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... Wow, they sat on the idea for 27 years.

 

[Space Lynx]

no I understood, I just felt like commenting anyway

ya I probably will do shutupten at some point, eh. part of me just doesn't care anymore though

 

[mechtech]

best practice is to set it to a static, reasonable size - i use 16GB and leave it there. The bigger it is, the less likely anything will ever need to be written, deleted and re-written. Write once, read many.

So about 1/4 of your total system ram.

and

2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V, SoC 1.175V Hynix MJR)

Under 1.20V at 3866 that's impressive

 

[lexluthermiester]

Keep you PC (notebook) unchanged because you don't know when you will need original management services config.

That you. I fit into the class of user known as "Power Users". I know exactly what I need and when I will need it.

Wasted time to modify it again and again. Simply enable "Block all incoming connections, ..." in firewall. Your comp will be client, not server and protected from unwanted external incoming connections. Simple, quick and easily revertible network services protection.

That doesn't work like you suggest, additionally, the Windows OS itself can not be fully blocked/managed by the Windows Firewall. Only a Kernel level driver based third party firewall can do that, which is what I do.

cause pathetic design is pathetic design.

So true!

 

[Mussels]

I do have Razer's keyboard software and Logitech's mouse software. I do know about Ghub's memory issues and checked both of these. They only took 500 MB of ram combined unless they somehow take more. I will remove it to see what happens though.

Ferb, I know what we're going to do today.

I went to openRGB and FanControl (they conflict with my corsair commander, and cant be ran at the same time sadly) and now use an entire 0MB - they load, set the settings at boot and i quit em

shutup10/11 are perfectly fine, they're quite reasonable with warning you about side effects from each tweak, and the ability to undo them easily

So about 1/4 of your total system ram.

and

2x32GB DDR4 3600 Corsair Vengeance RGB @3866 C18-22-22-22-42 TRFC704 (1.4V, SoC 1.175V Hynix MJR)

Under 1.20V at 3866 that's impressive

I run that page file size on all my systems, I used 16GB back in the XP days and just havent had to update it yet

Ram is 1.4V and SoC is 1.175v - i'll improve that wording

 

[Space Lynx]

is it a known problem in win 11, if I alt tab out of a full screen game, to scroll TPU in Chrome, that my screen just goes blank, PC doesnt crash, but the blank screen only goes away if I hold powert button down and restart PC. its happened twice today and once yesterday... like PC will work fine for like 3-4 hours, I can even alt tab several times, but then my display goers blank...

only thing I can think of is try a different DP cable or DP slot on back of my gpu.

(its not power savings, I have it all offf, and I tried moving my mouse several times and waiting a bit, etc) so its just like a failure somewhere... its not the ram or cpu. I got ram and cpuat stock today and it still did it.

 

[Mussels]

is it a known problem in win 11, if I alt tab out of a full screen game, to scroll TPU in Chrome, that my screen just goes blank, PC doesnt crash, but the blank screen only goes away if I hold powert button down and restart PC. its happened twice today and once yesterday... like PC will work fine for like 3-4 hours, I can even alt tab several times, but then my display goers blank...

only thing I can think of is try a different DP cable or DP slot on back of my gpu.

(its not power savings, I have it all offf, and I tried moving my mouse several times and waiting a bit, etc) so its just like a failure somewhere... its not the ram or cpu. I got ram and cpuat stock today and it still did it.

No, not an 11 problem
Could be an AMD GPU Driver problem, could be a platform specific problem

You could try disabling HAGS

GPU's not overclocked or undervolted?

 

[Space Lynx]

GPU's not overclocked or undervolted?

nope, but I do have vsync Always On in amd drivers... forced for all applications...

just remembered I did that... I will turn it off unless application specifies and see if it happens again... lol

also, I don't know what HAGS is?

 

[windwhirl]

is it a known problem in win 11, if I alt tab out of a full screen game, to scroll TPU in Chrome, that my screen just goes blank, PC doesnt crash, but the blank screen only goes away if I hold powert button down and restart PC. its happened twice today and once yesterday... like PC will work fine for like 3-4 hours, I can even alt tab several times, but then my display goers blank...

only thing I can think of is try a different DP cable or DP slot on back of my gpu.

(its not power savings, I have it all offf, and I tried moving my mouse several times and waiting a bit, etc) so its just like a failure somewhere... its not the ram or cpu. I got ram and cpuat stock today and it still did it.

You might want to check if that's a known issue in your GPU driver version. Latest Radeon driver (22.11.2) has these notes, which do have a bit of similarity to your issue (granted, these mostly deal with people also playing video in their browser, but still):

Spoiler

Fixed Issues​

• During video playback and window switching, an intermittent driver timeout or black screen may occur on Radeon™ RX 6000 series GPUs using some 240Hz refresh rate displays or high refresh rate primary display plus low refresh rate secondary display configurations.
• Stuttering may occur during video playback using hardware acceleration with Firefox on Radeon™ RX 6000 series GPUs.

Known Issues​

• Intermittent system stuttering or UI flickering may occur when two videos are simultaneously playing using chromium-based browsers.
• During video playback and gameplay, frame drop may occur in chromium-based browsers with variable refresh rate enabled extended displays.
• Brief display corruption may occur when switching between video and game windows on some AMD Graphics Products such as the Radeon™ RX 6700 XT.

also, I don't know what HAGS is?

Hardware Accelerated GPU scheduling. I don't have it because it's not supported on the RX 580, but you should be able to find it in Windows' Settings app

Go there and there should be an option to change HAGS (screenshot borrowed from some random person on the Internet):

 

[Space Lynx]

You might want to check if that's a known issue in your GPU driver version. Latest Radeon driver (22.11.2) has these notes, which do have a bit of similarity to your issue (granted, these mostly deal with people also playing video in their browser, but still):

Hardware Accelerated GPU scheduling. I don't have it because it's not supported on the RX 580, but you should be able to find it in Windows' Settings app
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Go there and there should be an option to change HAGS (screenshot borrowed from some random person on the Internet):
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I figured it out. I had vsync set to always on in amd drivers. that and freesync premium on, and I was just going to leave it and forget it.

ever since I went back to the default driver level "always off unless application specifies" the issue has gone away...

as much as I do love AMD, I never had to worry about that with nvidia drivers on my gtx 1070 laptop, I would always set driver to always on vsync and turn on freesync, and never have to worry about it.


so now i have re-installed rivatuner (because the amd drivers again suck, the frame target cap built in to AMD drivers won't stick for a lot of games, so I put a fps cap of 161 in the amd drivers, switched it on) but games still would go way above that.

so I went back to rivatuner, and capped fps at 161. and now its working.

have had no freezes or blank screens since... sigh.

as much as I love AMD, I really do miss when things just work. if Nvidia was not such an asshole of a company I might have gotten the proper 4080 at $899 or something. but eh.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
HAGS

 

[Mussels]

I figured it out. I had vsync set to always on in amd drivers. that and freesync premium on, and I was just going to leave it and forget it.

ever since I went back to the default driver level "always off unless application specifies" the issue has gone away...

as much as I do love AMD, I never had to worry about that with nvidia drivers on my gtx 1070 laptop, I would always set driver to always on vsync and turn on freesync, and never have to worry about it.


so now i have re-installed rivatuner (because the amd drivers again suck, the frame target cap built in to AMD drivers won't stick for a lot of games, so I put a fps cap of 161 in the amd drivers, switched it on) but games still would go way above that.

so I went back to rivatuner, and capped fps at 161. and now its working.

have had no freezes or blank screens since... sigh.

as much as I love AMD, I really do miss when things just work. if Nvidia was not such an asshole of a company I might have gotten the proper 4080 at $899 or something. but eh.

Vsync is broken in many titles, one of the threads i made specifically covers it
Vsync can force frames to be rendered 1/2/3 (or more) frames ahead of the GPU being ready and it causes some nasty input lag


Started playing Tiny Tina, which has its own rendering stats - seeing ~7ms for CPU and GPU, but the nvidia overlay was showing 14ms
FPS cap so the GPU isnt at 99%, and bam it's suddenly back to <7ms
They simply have the game engine set so that if the GPU maxes out, render a second frame to keep the FPS value steady, despite it introducing latency issues (because console players or those on a controller wont notice it)

So yeah trust me that vsync issues exist on the nvidia side too, i'm always fighting with them. DX12 not working with fast vsync (or nvidias low latency mode) has been a royal pain in my ass - they've locked it behind nvidia reflex, which is great when titles support it...

 

[Space Lynx]

Vsync is broken in many titles, one of the threads i made specifically covers it
Vsync can force frames to be rendered 1/2/3 (or more) frames ahead of the GPU being ready and it causes some nasty input lag


Started playing Tiny Tina, which has its own rendering stats - seeing ~7ms for CPU and GPU, but the nvidia overlay was showing 14ms
FPS cap so the GPU isnt at 99%, and bam it's suddenly back to <7ms
They simply have the game engine set so that if the GPU maxes out, render a second frame to keep the FPS value steady, despite it introducing latency issues (because console players or those on a controller wont notice it)

So yeah trust me that vsync issues exist on the nvidia side too, i'm always fighting with them. DX12 not working with fast vsync (or nvidias low latency mode) has been a royal pain in my ass - they've locked it behind nvidia reflex, which is great when titles support it...

I have not had a single black screen or issue since I capped with rivatuner at 161 fps. so going to consider myself lucky and just get back to enjoying gaming for now

 

[lightning70]

Since I have a 12600k Alder Lake system, I need to install Windows 11, but I have Windows 10 on my laptop, it's still more stable. Another year to go by Windows 11.

 

[Mussels]

Since I have a 12600k Alder Lake system, I need to install Windows 11, but I have Windows 10 on my laptop, it's still more stable. Another year to go by Windows 11.

Okay, we'll throw a party celebrating your choice later tonight
instead of keys to the city it's a key that upgrading to windows 11 is in fact perfectly fine and problems are rare

 

[lexluthermiester]

Okay, we'll throw a party celebrating your choice later tonight
instead of keys to the city it's a key that upgrading to windows 11 is in fact perfectly fine and problems are rare

I have to agree, even in it's default state, 11 is better than 10. I have yet to see a BSOD since it left beta. 10 still gets BSOD's from time to time.

 

[Space Lynx]

I've had no issues with 11 personally. My issues are always user error, ram not working right, xmp on ram wasn't stable, forcing vsync in amd drivers, all of that was really just user error and a bit of bad luck.

 

[lightning70]

Okay, we'll throw a party celebrating your choice later tonight
instead of keys to the city it's a key that upgrading to windows 11 is in fact perfectly fine and problems are rare

that's my opinion if you're happy with windows 11 it's fine.

 

[lexluthermiester]

that's my opinion if you're happy with windows 11 it's fine.

Mussels was trying to be nice. This is a thread about general discussion of Windows 11. It's not a trash talking thread, which is kinda what you were doing. This is not the place for that.

If you're using it and having a problem you want help solving or thinking about using it and want some insights, tips and tricks for running it well, this is your place.