First Alleged AMD Radeon RX 7900-series Benchmarks Leaked

[Denver]

Let's be honest, even if thr 7900XTX is faster AND cheaper than the 4080, everyone will still buy the 4080, like how it always goes. Its weird, everywhere on enthusiast sites, everyone always claims that they just buy "whatever offers rhe best performance at the price", but mysteriously, the sales figures never seem to demonstrate that, even when AMD puts forth a card that can be proven to be empirically better than its Nvidia competitor, so what's happening?

I'm just frustrated with the GPU market. Especially how everyone complains online how they want competition, but then never use their purchases to make that a reality. If you refer to the literature on consumer psychology, it all demonstrates that consumers DON'T make rational choices, that they're made on emotions and a weird desire to build a parasocial relationship with a brand.....it just seems like there's LITERALLY, no product that AMD can ever make, regardless of how much better it is, that will ever translate to an increase in marketshare. If I had the time and resources, I'd love to do some research based on personal interviews with GPU customers to determine the ACTUAL reasons behind their choice.

Yeah, It's really weird... But there are certain myths that are spread about Nvidia having absolutely perfect drivers that NEVER have any bugs or glitches, whereas the AMD driver is so bad it will make your pc stop working. I see people very attached to this point, the reality is that both software have bugs and this is clearly reported with each new version.

 

[Max(IT)]

Let's be honest, even if thr 7900XTX is faster AND cheaper than the 4080, everyone will still buy the 4080, like how it always goes. .

I dont know about "everyone", but I will buy a 7900XTX, and I'm currently running a 3080, a 3070 and a 3060Ti on my 3 PCs.

uhhh no it should be sold for $1,100 because amd's drivers are icky

AMD drivers sucks. This is a matter of fact, unfortunately.
I'm probably buying a 7900XTX in the next months, but my experience with 5700XT was really a PITA.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

here I'll give you the most common "answers"
"amd drivers are icky"
"nvidia just works"
"I mostly play games, but nvidia does 3d better, and I plan to do 3d one day... maybe. I'll get back to you on that in 5 more gpu generations"
"nvidia cards just don't have the same problems as amd"
"nvenc is better than amd's encoder, I don't stream tho"
"you pay more for premium - nvidia is premium. I love premium. I love luxury products."
"nvidia looks better in my pc case"

in 99% of cases when someone gives you a reason other than performance as to why they choose nvidia over AMD - it's a bullshit cope, people are just unwilling to try alternatives, afraid of the unknown/dark and so on

AMD's reputation for bad drivers was well earned, and reputations are hard to shake off. Especially when a single generation ago articles were being written about downclocking issues with your brand new arch.

You can deflect with calling it "cope" or whatever reasoning you want, the fact is marketing and consistency is important, and AMD is fighting literal decades of bad press and being the "budget brand" that only recently was improved. For the non tech savvy, nvidia is simply a more reliable brand, a more well known brand, and a more integrated brand then AMD is. This was not done overnight and it will not be undone overnight.

Also, it helps if you can supply more then a dozen GPUs a week. When major retailers are receiving 10-20x the stock of nvidia GPU sot AMD GPUs in the middle of a major buying season WTF do you expect to happen?

 

[spnidel]

I dont know about "everyone", but I will buy a 7900XTX, and I'm currently running a 3080, a 3070 and a 3060Ti on my 3 PCs.


AMD drivers sucks. This is a matter of fact, unfortunately.
I'm probably buying a 7900XTX in the next months, but my experience with 5700XT was really a PITA.

drivers are fine now, 5700 xt was dogshit (RMA'd lol), but with the 6800 xt any time I had any problems was because of my unstable overclocks; they really ironed out the driver side of things

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

drivers are fine now, 5700 xt was dogshit (RMA'd lol), but with the 6800 xt any time I had any problems was because of my unstable overclocks; they really ironed out the driver side of things

Drivers are not "fine". I've had issues with my 6800xt either not enabling its zero RPM fan or not enabling clock adjustments, and at least one instance of a GPU driver install hosing my windows install. The vega 64s, when they still worked, suffered form the downclocking bug that AMD never bothered fixing.

Yeah, It's really weird... But there are certain myths that are spread about Nvidia having absolutely perfect drivers that NEVER have any bugs or glitches, whereas the AMD driver is so bad it will make your pc stop working. I see people very attached to this point, the reality is that both software have bugs and this is clearly reported with each new version.

You ever notice the only time anyone claims someone thinks that nvidia's drivers are perfect is when someone is trying to meatshield AMD drivers and bring up strawmen about people saying nvidia drives are perfect? It's odd, really.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

When AMD announced N31 specs, I thought 7900XTX would be -10% from RTX 4090 in TPU's 4K testbed, with the assumption that by making dual-issue the SPs it will bring around only +25% (/clock/SP) performance gain.
Sadly AMD already announced that the performance gain is even less, only +17.4%.
So probably 4K raster in TPU's testbed will end like that:
If RX 7900XTX performance is 100% then:
RTX 4080 is 100% (best case for Nvidia)
RTX 4080 is 95% (preferred scenario)
RTX 4080 is 90% (best case for AMD)
The performance gain for 7900XTX vs 6950XT is actually disappointing compared to resources allocated, but at least is priced right!

"Compared to the resources allocated"...what? You do know that Nvidia's R&D budget is over $5 billion while AMD's is $2 billion AND has to be split with x86....I think it's amazingly impressive that AMD spends so much less than Nvidia and is still able to compete....which begs the question, what is Nvidia spending all that money on?

 

[spnidel]

AMD's reputation for bad drivers was well earned, and reputations are hard to shake off. Especially when a single generation ago articles were being written about downclocking issues with your brand new arch.

You can deflect with calling it "cope" or whatever reasoning you want, the fact is marketing and consistency is important, and AMD is fighting literal decades of bad press and being the "budget brand" that only recently was improved. For the non tech savvy, nvidia is simply a more reliable brand, a more well known brand, and a more integrated brand then AMD is. This was not done overnight and it will not be undone overnight.

Also, it helps if you can supply more then a dozen GPUs a week. When major retailers are receiving 10-20x the stock of nvidia GPU sot AMD GPUs in the middle of a major buying season WTF do you expect to happen?

ye, the driver stuff is deserved, but when people start giving you reasons that aren't performance or drivers, in 99% of cases that's cope/rationalization of why they chose a more expensive gpu that performs worse than it's lower-priced competing counterpart
I can personally recall several cases (one of which being that "I'll do 3d eventually") of my friends/people I know coping with their bad purchase by conjuring up things that'll never happen/they'll never do, but never admit that yes, they made a shit purchase and probably would've been better off by buying the competing product - ironically enough, they continue purchasing the same brand for which they conjure up situations that never happen later on... I wonder why

with that said - I can personally say my vega 64 purchase was terrible (would've been better off with a 1080 ti), and so was the 5700 xt (good thing I rma'd that shit), but the 6800 xt? no way, I'd pick it over the 3080 any day of the week

 

[ZoneDymo]

First I want to say that TPU never fails to disappoint me in sharing this baseless rumor crap, idk how you cant see it hurts the site more then it aids but whatever.
its 3 days till the cards are out, do we really need this unsubstantiated crap now?

Those lows are all over the place.
1 to 2fps lows for the 4080 in whatever that horse riding image is with the lows for the 7900xt being better then those for the 7900xtx?

also man fanboys are scared, immediately turning to the age old "AMD drivers r bad"

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

"Compared to the resources allocated"...what? You do know that Nvidia's R&D budget is over $5 billion while AMD's is $2 billion AND has to be split with x86

AMD's R+D budget has climbed to over 4 billion, and may breach the 5 billion mark by the end of 2022.

....I think it's amazingly impressive that AMD spends so much less than Nvidia and is still able to compete....which begs the question, what is Nvidia spending all that money on?

Nvidia is spending that money on the development of their software suites, all the packages and ecosystem things that lend their brand to selling well, the same think intel spends billions on per year. Especially in professional workspaces for things like workstations this is a necessary step to be taken seriously.

ye, the driver stuff is deserved, but when people start giving you reasons that aren't performance or drivers, in 99% of cases that's cope/rationalization of why they chose a more expensive gpu that performs worse than it's lower-priced competing counterpart
I can personally recall several cases (one of which being that "I'll do 3d eventually") of my friends/people I know coping with their bad purchase by conjuring up things that'll never happen/they'll never do, but never admit that yes, they made a shit purchase and probably would've been better off by buying the competing product

with that said - I can personally say my vega 64 purchase was terrible (would've been better off with a 1080 ti), and so was the 5700 xt (good thing I rma'd that shit), but the 6800 xt? no way, I'd pick it over the 3080 any day of the week

It's interesting you keep bringing up the "coping about 3d" thing, nvidia's 3d was introduced in 2008 and discontinued in 2019. 2008-2012 was a great time for AMD and is when AMD came closest to usurping the majority market leader crown from nvidia. 3d didnt seem to be much of a pressure against AMD there.

Now, persistent evergreen era bugs that AMD never bothered fixing and falling asleep at the wheel with the 6000 series? That had a bit to do with it. And the less said about the dark times of 2014-2019 the better.

 

[spnidel]

It's interesting you keep bringing up the "coping about 3d" thing, nvidia's 3d was introduced in 2008 and discontinued in 2019. 2008-2012 was a great time for AMD and is when AMD came closest to usurping the majority market leader crown from nvidia.

when I say 3D I mean modelling stuff, not monitor 3D

 

[Denver]

Drivers are not "fine". I've had issues with my 6800xt either not enabling its zero RPM fan or not enabling clock adjustments, and at least one instance of a GPU driver install hosing my windows install. The vega 64s, when they still worked, suffered form the downclocking bug that AMD never bothered fixing.

You ever notice the only time anyone claims someone thinks that nvidia's drivers are perfect is when someone is trying to meatshield AMD drivers and bring up strawmen about people saying nvidia drives are perfect? It's odd, really.

I think what matters here is the truth, nothing more. in this case, anyone who says that the Nvidia driver is 100% bug-free and perfect is clearly lying.

If you want to avoid having to deal with bugs as much as possible, the best solution is to buy a console. PC is an amazing and comprehensive platform, but dealing with bugs is part of the experience.

 

[Tomgang]

Just hold out to the true officially benchmark comes out. There aren't that long again now.

Besides we don't need all these fancy new gpu's. What we need is this

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ho...voodoo-5-6000-recreated-by-enthusiast-vsa-100

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I think what matters here is the truth, nothing more. in this case, anyone who says that the Nvidia driver is 100% bug-free and perfect is clearly lying.

If you want to avoid having to deal with bugs as much as possible, the best solution is to buy a console. PC is an amazing and comprehensive platform, but dealing with bugs is part of the experience.

The truth is the only people here claiming nvidia is bug free are people trying to strawman the argument of AMD's driver issues. "nvidia has 100% bug free drivers" is not a selling point to most people nor is it a major marketing point.

 

[ModEl4]

"Compared to the resources allocated"...what? You do know that Nvidia's R&D budget is over $5 billion while AMD's is $2 billion AND has to be split with x86....I think it's amazingly impressive that AMD spends so much less than Nvidia and is still able to compete....which begs the question, what is Nvidia spending all that money on?

I meant transistors budget and resources allocated to shading pipeline (even RBs advancement is good with up to +50%/clock).
The theoretical difference in floating performance throughput and pixel fillrate (plus the "effective" bandwidth advance is very good also compared to N21) is far greater than what the realized performance suggests, that's what I meant.

 

[Bet0n]

AMD's R+D budget has climbed to over 4 billion, and may breach the 5 billion mark by the end of 2022.

AMD's R&D ballooned up only in 2021, NV was clearly ahead and is clearly ahead still.
NV vs AMD
2015 $1.33B vs $937M
2016 $1.46B vs $1.01B
2017 $1.8B vs $1.2B
2018 $2.38B vs $1.43B
2019 $2.83B vs $1.54B
2020 $3.92B vs $1.98B
2021 $5.27B vs $2.85B
2022 $6.85B vs $4.45B
So not trying to argue but NV clearly had more resources, AMD doing pretty well considering this. They still would need a few years of good Epyc sales to have proportionally the same resources for GPU R&D. I think they're trying to compete but it's just a sidejob next to their Epyc business.
I'm wondering what do Lisa Su think about RTG, I bet she doesn't like what they do overall when she looks at the market share numbers.

 

[shovenose]

Let's be honest, even if thr 7900XTX is faster AND cheaper than the 4080, everyone will still buy the 4080, like how it always goes. Its weird, everywhere on enthusiast sites, everyone always claims that they just buy "whatever offers rhe best performance at the price", but mysteriously, the sales figures never seem to demonstrate that, even when AMD puts forth a card that can be proven to be empirically better than its Nvidia competitor, so what's happening?

I'm just frustrated with the GPU market. Especially how everyone complains online how they want competition, but then never use their purchases to make that a reality. If you refer to the literature on consumer psychology, it all demonstrates that consumers DON'T make rational choices, that they're made on emotions and a weird desire to build a parasocial relationship with a brand.....it just seems like there's LITERALLY, no product that AMD can ever make, regardless of how much better it is, that will ever translate to an increase in marketshare. If I had the time and resources, I'd love to do some research based on personal interviews with GPU customers to determine the ACTUAL reasons behind their choice.

Look at one of the very first replies to this article, a user references some weird "hardware bug" with RDNA3 and uses that to completely dismiss the whole product line....first, the product isn't even released yet, how could they possibly have access to legitimate and accurate information demonstrating a "hardware bug" already? Secondly, it seems like this person has already made their mind up on buying Nvidia in perpetuity and this "hardware bug" is merely a pretext to create the air of rationality around their choice.

Well, I intend to buy a Radeon 7900 series card. I was hoping to be financially able to order it at launch but I doubt that will happen so I really hope it’s going to be available in a couple weeks. I haven’t decided on whether I’m going to get an XT or XTX. That will depend on reviews and availability when I order. Sure, NVIDIA does some things better, and in theory if I can afford an XTX I could afford a 4080, but NVIDIA put up a big middle finger to us PC owners this generation and I don’t want to support them. As for drivers, my RX6600 had some issues when I was running dual monitors, but now that I switched to a single monitor it’s been perfectly fine, except of course the gaming performance as it’s a good 1080P card but never intended for 4K gaming LOL.

 

[Nkd]

Not bad price to performance but unfortunately team red is hampered by hardware bugs

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601213869284012033

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601218354978516992

Does it work or no? This guy is just talking out of his rear end. He is talking about how it needs more power to do bla bla bla Lmao. I mean you can say that about any silicon to out there cuz they all have sweet spot. What he should say is this revision doesn’t hit the clocks they wanted. Sure call that a bug or whatever but it works. It’s like saying 4090 doesn’t hit 4 jigahertz it has bug.

 

[Aldain]

Not bad price to performance but unfortunately team red is hampered by hardware bugs

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601213869284012033

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1601218354978516992

all nonsense and conjecture with ZERO PROOF

 

[Max(IT)]

drivers are fine now, 5700 xt was dogshit (RMA'd lol), but with the 6800 xt any time I had any problems was because of my unstable overclocks; they really ironed out the driver side of things

I really hope so.

 

[efikkan]

What is it, about two more days until launch?
Nah, nobody can wait that long, so let's believe every (clickbait) rumor there is.
(sarcasm)

 

[john_]

AMD's reputation for bad drivers was well earned

Not exactly correct. I mean, before AMD gets the consoles from SONY and MS, games where build on Intel+Nvidia hardware. So games where usually running better on that combination of hardware the day of their release. AMD needed some time to fix performance and bugs, but by the time they where coming out with a new driver for the new AAA title, all reviews and benchmarks from tech sites for that new AAA game where done. So, too little, too late, constantly.

For a short period around 2014 I think, AMD was enjoying a good period thanks to the fact that more games, because of the consoles, where build around their hardware. I think drivers back then where considered as good as Nvidia and we had some situations with problems with Nvidia drivers. But it was also a period where AMD was with half foot in the grave, selling Bulldozers and GCN refreshes. So, Nvidia had the money to secure much friendlier coverage from the tech press, with tech press finding in AMD the perfect chance to prove their independence from big companies. While the press would be accepting Nvidia's marketing and excuses to the letter, it would be attacking AMD at any chance given aggressively. Every multi page article attacking AMD, was passed to the readers as proof that that tech site publishing that article, was not fearing big corporations.

So, AMD's reputation was not something that it was totally their own fault. Tech coverage is extremely important in creating reputations and anyone living in a country where one political party is controlling the majority of press(probably every country in the world), can understand this. The fact that games where build in the part on Nvidia and Intel hardware was also important.

And then there are other reasons.

We have the close vs open ecosystem between these two companies. AMD's techs are open source, meaning Nvidia can optimize for them in a very short period of time. On the other hand, Nvidia's techs are close source, meaning AMD can't optimize as easily. That was giving one more advantage to Nvidia to look more capable than AMD.

And of course it's the difference in budget. AMD is fighting at the same time two bigger, wealthiest companies. It's not easy. If people don't want to understand that, maybe they will in case AMD does go bankrupt and we end up in a situation where we will have only one X86 CPU manufacturer and we will be hopping for someone else to take AMD's place and start producing competitive options fast, while in GPUs we will have an Nvidia monopoly and a miles behind Intel probably doing nothing really, considering that, in my opinion anyway, Intel is more interested in server GPUs than gaming GPUs.

 

[tfdsaf]

When AMD announced N31 specs, I thought 7900XTX would be -10% from RTX 4090 in TPU's 4K testbed, with the assumption that by making dual-issue the SPs it will bring around only +25% (/clock/SP) performance gain.
Sadly AMD already announced that the performance gain is even less, only +17.4%.
So probably 4K raster in TPU's testbed will end like that:
If RX 7900XTX performance is 100% then:
RTX 4080 is 100% (best case for Nvidia)
RTX 4080 is 95% (preferred scenario)
RTX 4080 is 90% (best case for AMD)
The performance gain for 7900XTX vs 6950XT is actually disappointing compared to resources allocated, but at least is priced right!

DUDE! We have ZERO actual reviews, only BS and made up FUD! What are you talking about?

We have ZERO clue how these cards perform!!!

Wait for LEGIT reviews from hardware unboxed, techpowerup, pcgameshardware.de, etc...

 

[ZoneDymo]

all nonsense and conjecture with ZERO PROOF

Gotta give it to Nvidia Fanboys, they are ON IT when any news is posted about AMD

 

[mechtech]

Just open a window? I mean, it's below zero outside...

degrees C that is

 

[RedBear]

Does it work or no? This guy is just talking out of his rear end. He is talking about how it needs more power to do bla bla bla Lmao. I mean you can say that about any silicon to out there cuz they all have sweet spot. What he should say is this revision doesn’t hit the clocks they wanted. Sure call that a bug or whatever but it works. It’s like saying 4090 doesn’t hit 4 jigahertz it has bug.

As far as I know Nvidia never said that RTX 4090/Ada Lovelace was aiming for 4Ghz, but AMD did say that RDNA3 was "architected to achieve 3Ghz":

(Edited picture from this reddit post)
Being unable to hit that target, if confirmed, would imply that there was some major hiccup in the development of the architecture.