Windows 11 General Discussion

[Argyr]

Other than a few extra features (which have little use even for most enthusiasts), no.

Microsoft doesn't really have a good comparison table, and Wikipedia doesn't have one either, so this will have to do. It only compares Pro vs Pro for Workstations, though. Enterprise now seems to be a monthly subscription?

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this is bad. Enterprise is claimed to contain less bloat in Win 11, I only have anecdotal evidence though. can the group policy telemetry settings in Pro get unlocked somehow?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Damnit, we had some forum threads going on about disabling page files on SSD's and i cant find it - i'm not sure if it was in an OS thread like this one, or elsewhere

I kept pointing out that i'm seeing reports from people about out of memory errors, and that it's always because the user disabled the page file/full C: drive and ran into it again, grabbed a screenshot and... lost the thread

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So many comments from users all over the place with suggestions, but the few solving the issue are doing so with a format... which frees up space and/or turns the page file back on
wait til they 'tweak' everything again and watch it repeat

I've never seen that error. But then again, I always use the "set it and forget it" approach with either 2GB, 3GB or 4GB pagefile.

 

[windwhirl]

this is bad. Enterprise is claimed to contain less bloat in Win 11, I only have anecdotal evidence though. can the group policy telemetry settings in Pro get unlocked somehow?

Less bloat? Maybe, perhaps the default settings are different, but the breadth of features in Enterprise is larger.

Still, I imagine you could make your own adjustments to vanilla Windows 11 Pro to get even less bloat

 

[lexluthermiester]

can the group policy telemetry settings in Pro get unlocked somehow?

Screen shot?

 

[ThrashZone]

this is bad. Enterprise is claimed to contain less bloat in Win 11, I only have anecdotal evidence though. can the group policy telemetry settings in Pro get unlocked somehow?

Hi,
Sure

 

[Mussels]

The only trouble would be to force the game to not use a paging file on the main drive but a separate drive or stay in ram lol

Windows sets the drive the page file is on, the problem is that when you've got 64GB of ram and a 24GB GPU (and you can see the poster in what i sent aint far behind) you may simply need a larger page file

If it decides to store a big chunk of something, you may suddenly need 4GB+ of spare page file as it unloads whatever crap you've got running along with the game

I've never seen that error. But then again, I always use the "set it and forget it" approach with either 2GB, 3GB or 4GB pagefile.

I use 8GB set and forget, it's when its on auto with a small minimum and a full drive or outright disabled that these things go wrong
99% of the time the errors mention VIRTUAL memory and not just 'out of memory' which is a big clue, but a few games like MW2 and RDR2 just say "out of memory"

 

[ThrashZone]

best practice is to set it to a static, reasonable size - i use 16GB and leave it there. The bigger it is, the less likely anything will ever need to be written, deleted and re-written. Write once, read many.

Hi,
Thought you said 16gb now you say 8gb lol

 

[Mussels]

Hi,
Thought you said 16gb now you say 8gb lol

multiple PC's

8GB in all of them as a standard thing, 16GB in my main monster because it has more RAM than the others combined

Back in the day it was meant to be like page file = 3x system RAM
glad we dont do things that way any more


It's easy to screw things like that up with 9 working PC's in the house...

Heck apparently 4GB is enough, this system has been left on auto
It's mostly about making sure you don't go to zero, or have auto with no space to use

clonked that back to 16


HWinfo says that my common daily usage don't touch no dirty page file

 

[ThrashZone]

multiple PC's

8GB in all of them as a standard thing, 16GB in my main monster because it has more RAM than the others combined

Back in the day it was meant to be like page file = 3x system RAM
glad we dont do things that way any more


It's easy to screw things like that up with 9 working PC's in the house...

Heck apparently 4GB is enough, this system has been left on auto
It's mostly about making sure you don't go to zero, or have auto with no space to use




clonked that back to 16

Hi,
Guessing that was the hdd days

Well you could of stated a total memory and what you'd use for page file
Would of been more clear.

In both cases.

 

[Mussels]

Hi,
Guessing that was the hdd days

Well you could of stated a total memory and what you'd use for page file
Would of been more clear.

In both cases.

Unlike my PC's, i do not have enough memory

 

[ThrashZone]

Unlike my PC's, i do not have enough memory

Hi,
I asked if you use 16gb page file what total memory do you use on that system 64gb?...
8gb page file = total 32gb ?...

 

[Mussels]

Hi,
I asked if you use 16gb page file what total memory do you use on that system 64gb?...
8gb page file = total 32gb ?...

Brain = chaos

16GB on the 64GB system, 8 on the others
Although at some point this system got switched to auto and 4GB and nothing broke - it's going to zero that's the issue (with specific console ported games and adobe products, seems to be the biggest ones)

 

[ThrashZone]

Brain = chaos

16GB on the 64GB system, 8 on the others
Although at some point this system got switched to auto and 4GB and nothing broke - it's going to zero that's the issue (with specific console ported games and adobe products, seems to be the biggest ones)

Hi,
Okay thank you.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Let's be honest, the following...

HWinfo says that my common daily usage don't touch no dirty page file

...is what most people see.

For anything 16GB and above, more than 4096MB pagefile is a waste of space. My general methodology and school of thought is as follows:

System RAM = 8GB -> 12GB : 4096MB Pagefile.

System RAM = 12GB -> 16GB : 3072MB Pagefile.

System RAM = 16GB -> 32GB : 2048MB Pagefile.

System RAM = 32GB -> 64GB+ : 1024MB

IF System RAM heavy programs are being used and the pagefile keeps getting hit(very rare), I'll increase the pagefile by 1024MB steps
until utilization drops below 75%. More RAM will then be installed as soon as is possible and the settings with then be adjusted back down.
If the primary OS drive is an HDD, a defrag operation will be run manually. If the drive is an SSD, no further action is taken.

 

[Bomby569]

isn't the consensus to let win manage pagefile is always better then messing with it?

 

[nomdeplume]

So... across the varied opinions on this subject I think everyone would agree I need more RAM.
TBH this is worse than I thought and actually about what I expected at the same time.

Holdup on doing the needful was to find a more suitable Z370/Z390 mobo allowing more reasonable speeds for modern gaming.

 

[ThrashZone]

So... across the varied opinions on this subject I think everyone would agree I need more RAM.
TBH this is worse than I thought and actually about what I expected at the same time.


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Holdup on doing the needful was to find a more suitable Z370/Z390 mobo allowing more reasonable speeds for modern gaming.

Hi,
What total amount of memory do you have your spec's do not say.

Let's be honest, the following...

...is what most people see.

For anything 16GB and above, more than 4096MB pagefile is a waste of space. My general methodology and school of thought is as follows:

System RAM = 8GB -> 12GB : 4096MB Pagefile.

System RAM = 12GB -> 16GB : 3072MB Pagefile.

System RAM = 16GB -> 32GB : 2048MB Pagefile.

System RAM = 32GB -> 64GB+ : 1024MB

IF System RAM heavy programs are being used and the pagefile keeps getting hit(very rare), I'll increase the pagefile by 1024MB steps
until utilization drops below 75%. More RAM will then be installed as soon as is possible and the settings with then be adjusted back down.
If the primary OS drive is an HDD, a defrag operation will be run manually. If the drive is an SSD, no further action is taken.

Wow that is wild the more ram you have to lower the page file gets
Kind of opposite of what's beensaid by mussels and myself to which I'm just a little lower than him for 32gb total I leave 5gbs page file and I'd increase if I had an issue.

But for 64gb total I'd do 16gb as well.

Hi,
I asked if you use 16gb page file what total memory do you use on that system 64gb?...
8gb page file = total 32gb ?...

Should of said
I was trying to ask if you ....

 

[LifeOnMars]

I leave page file alone and system managed on the C drive. I literally cannot remember the last time I had any system issues and performance is excellent in all my very old/old and new games.

32Gb RAM and a 12Gb 3080. On a clean install of Windows 11 22h2 it selects 4983. After using the system for a couple of days it changes to 2048 and stays there. Only time I have ever seen it change is If I come across a new game that has a bad memory leak or a Vram allocation issue. Naturally it will increase to accommodate the dodgy software until it gets fixed or I uninstall it. After that, again it will shrink back to 2048 and stay there.

 

[nomdeplume]

Hi,
What total amount of memory do you have your spec's do not say.

An oversight I just corrected.
8GB (2x4GB) of RAM with planned change to 32GB (2x16GB).

Computer arrived at settings above in System Managed. That I need RAM is very obvious.
Effective meaning of screenshot and impact setting pagefile higher or lower will have after it is installed are confusing to me.


The mechanism underlying tuning for best performance is confusing. System wide tuning W11, not just pagefile.
It is very easy to break things under the hood that firmware/OS correct for automatically.
Many systems have a lot of things blocked or deleted and probably an equal amount of unwanted junk added back in - Asus programs, WU, etc.
W11 certainly likes to tie key functionality into silent reporting functions and other insolvent behaviors.

 

[ThrashZone]

An oversight I just corrected.
8GB (2x4GB) of RAM with planned change to 32GB (2x16GB).

Computer arrived at settings above in System Managed. That I need RAM is very obvious.
Effective meaning of screenshot and impact setting pagefile higher or lower will have after it is installed are confusing to me.


The mechanism underlying tuning for best performance is confusing. System wide tuning W11, not just pagefile.
It is very easy to break things under the hood that firmware/OS correct for automatically.
Many systems have a lot of things blocked or deleted and probably an equal amount of unwanted junk added back in - Asus programs, WU, etc.
W11 certainly likes to tie key functionality into silent reporting functions and other insolvent behaviors.

Hi,
Okay thanks now knowing that total system memory you show a great example of why system managed is really overkill for 8gb's it currently allocates 11gb's lol
So yeah peg it at min-16mb and 8gbs would be more realistic and 4gb's would be more inline with others use at that amount of memory.
.

 

[P4-630]

 

[theFOoL]

Here's my 8GB that I use just for Kicks

 

[nomdeplume]

Hi,
Okay thanks now knowing that total system memory you show a great example of why system managed is really overkill for 8gb's it currently allocates 11gb's lol
So yeah peg it at min-16mb and 8gbs would be more realistic and 4gb's would be more inline with others use at that amount of memory.
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No, you misunderstood the reason I posted. That was what my system needed at some point recently (with a safety buffer added to figure I'm sure) to stay running. At fresh install it was probably around 4GB. System Managed means just that.

So I'm more likely to see Lex's way of thinking than Mussels who uses 0.000% of what he allocated.

Here's my 8GB that I use just for Kicks

 

[Mussels]

isn't the consensus to let win manage pagefile is always better then messing with it?

with the exception of raising the minimum so it can never run out of space to use, yes


The key here is that some programs use it when they technically don't need to - they're programmed to use it, and they're the ones that crash out when it's not available
RDR2 is one that seems to be common there, and the new MW2

 

[lexluthermiester]

isn't the consensus to let win manage pagefile is always better then messing with it?

No, it isn't. The microsoft way isn't always the best way. In many cases custom configurations are much better for optimizing the Windows experience.

Wow that is wild the more ram you have to lower the page file gets
Kind of opposite of what's beensaid by mussels and myself to which I'm just a little lower than him for 32gb total I leave 5gbs page file and I'd increase if I had an issue.

It's only logical. The more RAM you have the less you need the pagefile.

What total amount of memory do you have your spec's do not say.

I have 7 different PC's. The one I'm typing on currently has 32GB of RAM. Now I do have 3072MB set on this system because I use a program that does hit the pagefile frequently, even with the sizeable amount of RAM this system has.