Windows 11 General Discussion

[Mussels]

No, it isn't. The microsoft way isn't always the best way. In many cases custom configurations are much better for optimizing the Windows experience.


It's only logical. The more RAM you have the less you need the pagefile.

But if you DO need it, you may need it to be much larger

If you have 128GB of RAM because you edit 200GB worth of photos at a time, you may find the need for a large page file
(Yes, adobe etc use their own scratch disk/settings for this, just an example)

 

[lexluthermiester]

But if you DO need it, you may need it to be much larger

Not for most people.

If you have 128GB of RAM because you edit 200GB worth of photos at a time, you may find the need for a large page file
(Yes, adobe etc use their own scratch disk/settings for this, just an example)

That's an exception, not the rule. Most people are not going to be editing 200GB worth of photos, or videos at a time. Most people, even if editing photo's or video's, if they have enough RAM, will never or rarely hit the pagefile.

 

[Mussels]

That's entirely the point, is to watch out for the exception
An example is just that Lex, it's not to be taken literally.

VRAM->System RAM -> Page file->Users emotional state

When one runs out, shit flows downhill

 

[kapone32]

IF you have all serious NAND flash, a over 12 GB GPU combined with 32GB of RAM would even worry about the pagefile? I have not looked at my pagefile in maybe a year but the thing is that I am enjoying my PC so much that other than the occasional Windows or AMD or MB vendor software updates that introduce frustrating Gremlins are the only complaints for me. I swear that now that I have B die I am blown away at how responsive my system is at all times. Now if only I could get my ISP to give me Fiber networking and I will be Golden. Windows 11 feels better and more restrictive every day.

 

[Mussels]

IF you have all serious NAND flash, a over 12 GB GPU combined with 32GB of RAM would even worry about the pagefile? I have not looked at my pagefile in maybe a year but the thing is that I am enjoying my PC so much that other than the occasional Windows or AMD or MB vendor software updates that introduce frustrating Gremlins are the only complaints for me. I swear that now that I have B die I am blown away at how responsive my system is at all times. Now if only I could get my ISP to give me Fiber networking and I will be Golden. Windows 11 feels better and more restrictive every day.

If you've read the last few posts... yes.
Because some apps are hard coded to use it no matter what

And TBH i've had similar experiences with shitty ram in general, if it's not 100% stable the PC can still work with it correcting errors even without true ECC ram, but things slow down doing so

With the way modern PC's (especially ryzen) have USB ports and PCI-E lanes directly from the CPU and directly unstable if the memory controller is unstable, you can sure as hell feel when things arent right

Oh and dont forget W11 just had that major patch to fix gaming performance ~ a week ago, that ones going to throw off before and after comparisons

 

[kapone32]

If you've read the last few posts... yes.
Because some apps are hard coded to use it no matter what

And TBH i've had similar experiences with shitty ram in general, if it's not 100% stable the PC can still work with it correcting errors even without true ECC ram, but things slow down doing so

With the way modern PC's (especially ryzen) have USB ports and PCI-E lanes directly from the CPU and directly unstable if the memory controller is unstable, you can sure as hell feel when things arent right

Oh and dont forget W11 just had that major patch to fix gaming performance ~ a week ago, that ones going to throw off before and after comparisons

F me if there was a fix for Gaming performance I certainly never felt the need for it.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ive set paging to 4096 wether I have 16 or more ram. Idk if paging in 7 can be set more than 4G anyway.

 

[Mussels]

F me if there was a fix for Gaming performance I certainly never felt the need for it.

It was causing higher CPU usage than needed, I noticed it when I swapped to my second gaming PC as I rebuilt the loop - the same CPU (5800x, same all core OC) went from 2% CPU usage to 15%, with a SLOWER GPU (same 120 FPS cap) in the same game

Nvidia had driver updates to reduce the severity of it, but only MS had the final fix (and it halved my render times in affected titles, so it was a big help)

It wasn't broken forever, just an issue with the 22H2 update and with a very recent fix, it's something that'd screw with peoples perceptions with new hardware

 

[lexluthermiester]

Idk if paging in 7 can be set more than 4G anyway.

It can. Not sure what the limit is, but it's not 4GB.

 

[Mussels]

It can. Not sure what the limit is, but it's not 4GB.

probably as big as the drive can take, unless there's a 2TB or 4TB limit

The memory limits (ram + paged combined) for a 32 bit OS were '2GB per program' but as a combined whole could go much higher, and 64 bit still has a bit of juice left for silly numbers

 

[lexluthermiester]

probably as big as the drive can take, unless there's a 2TB or 4TB limit

The memory limits (ram + paged combined) for a 32 bit OS were '2GB per program' but as a combined whole could go much higher, and 64 bit still has a bit of juice left for silly numbers

I think you're right.

 

[eidairaman1]

I think you're right.

Chris Titus Tech has a powershell command set where you can get Windows updates while WUD itself has been gutted from the OS (I have it completely disabled).

Since I did that I have had no issues with W11 itself lol. Its almost like Running W7 (still missing the control panel having everything that settings now has) and AeroGlass GUI that made Winows feel special then, now its boring lol.

 

[nomdeplume]

probably as big as the drive can take, unless there's a 2TB or 4TB limit

The memory limits (ram + paged combined) for a 32 bit OS were '2GB per program' but as a combined whole could go much higher, and 64 bit still has a bit of juice left for silly numbers

W7 had the option to use USB drives for system memory. Forget the exact name they used.

 

[Mussels]

W7 had the option to use USB drives for system memory. Forget the exact name they used.

It used them as a temporary read cache, since USB flash drives had far lower latency than mech drives
cool tech that SSD's took over from

Readyboost

This caching applies to all disk content, not just the page file or system DLLs. USB flash devices typically are slower than a mechanical hard disk for sequential I/O, so, to maximize performance, ReadyBoost includes logic that recognizes large, sequential read requests and has the hard disk service these requests

The madness!

 

[Flanker]

Looks like I can no longer uninstall Edge. There used to be a command line that worked, it doesn't anymore

 

[ThrashZone]

It can. Not sure what the limit is, but it's not 4GB.

Hi,
Recommended for 32gb memory is like 48gb's lol

This is why when ssd's became more mainstream people limited page file size or just out and out turned it off
SSD's reads are light years faster than hdd's and hdd's were mainly used when xp/ vista/ 7 was released so the large page file was to speed the slow spinners up.

I use the same min-16mb and max-5120mb on 7 as on win-10 and 11 now.

Looks like I can no longer uninstall Edge. There used to be a command line that worked, it doesn't anymore

There's some entries here for edge

Windows 11 Tweaks for GPU Benchmark

Updated for 22H2 Install without Internet When it prompts you to go online, press Shift+F10 and type "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" (that's an o not a zero at the end). After the automatic reboot you can install without network Install on systems without TPM, UEFI or other requirements...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[lexluthermiester]

Looks like I can no longer uninstall Edge. There used to be a command line that worked, it doesn't anymore

CCleaner Portable. Does that job in a snap!

Download CCleaner Portable - MajorGeeks

CCleaner is a freeware system optimization, privacy, and cleaning tool. It removes unused files from your system - allowing Windows to run faster and freeing up valuable hard disk space. Install, uninstall, and toolbar included.

www.majorgeeks.com

The uninstaller tool is located in the "Tools" section. I don't use CCleaner for anything else, but it's very useful.

Recommended for 32gb memory is like 48gb's lol

Yeah, never gonna happen! IF the programs I was using needed more than 3 or 4 GB, I'd set it for something like 6144MB or 8196MB, but ONLY if it was needed. I've never used or seen a program that needs that much virtual page space when gobbs of system RAM is present.

 

[Flanker]

CCleaner Portable. Does that job in a snap!

Download CCleaner Portable - MajorGeeks

CCleaner is a freeware system optimization, privacy, and cleaning tool. It removes unused files from your system - allowing Windows to run faster and freeing up valuable hard disk space. Install, uninstall, and toolbar included.

www.majorgeeks.com

The uninstaller tool is located in the "Tools" section. I don't use CCleaner for anything else, but it's very useful.

Eh... nothing happens when I clicked uninstall, it worked as expected for other programs. Looks like MS did something to protect Edge in the newest build

 

[lexluthermiester]

Eh... nothing happens when I clicked uninstall, it worked as expected for other programs. Looks like MS did something to protect Edge in the newest build

Have you disabled the "Tamper" protection in Windows Defender? You have to disable that or nothing the OS classifies as "critical" can be removed.

Turn that off and try again.. The command line option likely didn't work because of this also.

(This is one of the many irritating reasons I LOATH Windows Defender and actively remove/delete it..)

Edit:
Did it work?

 

[Flanker]

Have you disabled the "Tamper" protection in Windows Defender? You have to disable that or nothing the OS classifies as "critical" can be removed.
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Turn that off and try again.. The command line option likely didn't work because of this also.

(This is one of the many irritating reasons I LOATH Windows Defender and actively remove/delete it..)

Edit:
Did it work?

Same results, nothing happens when I hit uninstall

 

[lexluthermiester]

Same results, nothing happens when I hit uninstall

What version of 11 are you running?

 

[Flanker]

What version of 11 are you running?

Pro 22H2

 

[lexluthermiester]

Pro 22H2

What is the point release number? Should be something like 22621.819.

I ask because that is the version I'm running and I had no problems removing Edge.

 

[Flanker]

What is the point release number? Should be something like 22621.819.

I ask because that is the version I'm running and I had no problems removing Edge.

Oops, sorry!
Here it is: 22621.963

 

[Mussels]

But why?

I get disabling the preload part of it, but why remove it entirely at the risk of things breaking later?

And ofc, it'll come back every major update