GPU for 4K

[Chrispy_]

goodbye to the possibility of buying a radeon.
shit, thank goodness I remembered this detail, otherwise I would have bought a card that would have gone to 50hz

It only affects VRR. You can run your monitor with a Radeon at 120Hz regular vsync just fine, it's the VRR that won't work without an Nvidia card.

Still, given that you have a decent G-Sync monitor I would probably still stick to Nvidia just to take advantage of that because VRR is dope. I don't ever disable it, personally.

 

[bug]

That has nothing to do with the original requirements of the OP who has a $1k budget and wants better 4k perf than what the 6800xt can offer.

Well, having $1k budget != must spend $1k. If I could pocket half of that, I would at least consider the 6800XT. (As I said before, I would prefer an Nvidia solution for RT and DLSS3, but my own preference doesn't have to coincide with OP's.)

 

[eidairaman1]

Grab a Sapphire Pulse 6700XT, 6750XT, 6800, 6800XT and call it a day.

 

[Dr. Dro]

If you have a ~1K budget, don't care much about raytracing performance and favor a current-generation product, it sounds like the wisest course of action targeting 4K would be to buy an RX 7900 XT. Maybe a XTX if you can find it for MSRP, and if you are willing to go moderately above, the RTX 4080 as @dgianstefani mentioned is an excellent option, though these tend to cost $1200-1400 depending on model.

If you insist going with NVIDIA, used Titan RTX GPUs (which aren't much of an upgrade over your 2080 Ti, but still a bit faster and with a lot more memory), would be a decent pick if found listed for $700-800 USD, and sometimes the RTX 3090's most basic models as well.

Who am I kidding. Buy an RTX 4090, because the more you buy, the more you save. Surely you don't want to play in 4K with a previous-generation"mainstream gamer's GPU with classic DLSS 2", or *gasp* a disgusting AMD "GPU"!? What are you, poor? Buy more GPUs so you can save more money, it's not rocket science. /s

Sorry, I had to lay the mockery. It's a dark age for GPUs, even though Ada is a technological achievement... the product stack is anything but that, and RDNA 3 isn't without its problems... sad.

 

[Ruru]

Without reading any of the thread, just do a little research and get the best you can afford.

Personally I play at 4K60 with 6700 XT.

 

[N/A]

6700, 3060 ti and even RX 6800 you are falling into the not very well recommended for 4K area.
but alienware aw3418dw being 3440 x 1440 ~ 5 Mpixels is 30% less than 4K, so the 4070 non_ti for this Gsync monitor.

 

[inter2010]

I thank all of you, you have given me so many solutions and so many advices. I have identified the models that you have recommended and I will try to work on the best solution.
I just wanted to ask you one more thing, I have a CM c700m case.
the case has a support for the gpu. if i place the gpu on this support, the video card remains in plain sight but against the glass of the case. in terms of temperatures, is this position irrelevant or does it cost a few degrees more?

 

[Dr. Dro]

I thank all of you, you have given me so many solutions and so many advices. I have identified the models that you have recommended and I will try to work on the best solution.
I just wanted to ask you one more thing, I have a CM c700m case.
the case has a support for the gpu. if i place the gpu on this support, the video card remains in plain sight but against the glass of the case. in terms of temperatures, is this position irrelevant or does it cost a few degrees more?

It does restrict air flow a bit, but you can always run the case without the side panel if it grows too hot.

The golden rule is that hot air goes up, if you don't have exhaust fans on top might be the time to install some. Cheers

 

[inter2010]

It does restrict air flow a bit, but you can always run the case without the side panel if it grows too hot.

The golden rule is that hot air goes up, if you don't have exhaust fans on top might be the time to install some. Cheers

fala meu brother !!

my airflow config

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I live in Brazil, so the prices are very high with import taxes over 30%.

Brazil sounds a lot like what I've been hearing about prices in the EU, especially the taxes!

No, that uses a native, proprietary G-Sync module.
You'll need to get an Nvidia card if you want to use VRR/G-Sync at all:

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A 3070 is roughly the same performance as your dead 2080Ti, They regularly sell for under $400 on ebay:

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I don't know what country you're in, I'm in the UK and picked one up for £350 in October last year.

Pre-2019 monitor?

 

[evernessince]

Honestly it seems like a flip of the coin decision.

I'd get the RTX 4080 if I had the money. Although the RTX 4080 has less VRAM than the 7900 XTX. AIB's seem to have decent coolers for both (YMMV).

AMD acknowledged some of the Made by AMD (MBA) 7900 XTX cards have a cooler defect. So don't get that unless you're going to put an aftermarket cooler on it.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-vows-to-replace-overheating-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-boards

The problem I have with the 4080 is that it's just so cut down from the 4090 and yet they are still charging a minimum of $1,200. You can really see the performance gap between them in VR, the 4090 has a lot of room to grow as games become more demanding.

the latest generations are 4070/80/90 and 7900XT/X

4070 Ti is a 1440p card that sometimes suffers 10-20% penalty in 4K depending on the title because of its 192 bit bus, RX 6800 is the minimum requirement ~$500

Or you could wait the cutdown 4070 sitting between 3070 Ti and 3080 that is rumored to soon enter production.

Yes, the 4070 Ti shouldn't even be considered for 4K. It has less memory bandwidth then a 3070 Ti and barely more than a 3070. At $800 it's essentially a xx60 Ti class card.

now I would have to choose between the 4070 ti and the 4080.
the x90 is way too expensive

Both of those are terrible options but the 4070 Ti is particularly bad at 4K. Consider also that the 4080 is a tad over half the die size of the 4090 and realize that you are paying most of the price of a 4090 by buying the 4080 while getting vastly less.

At the end of the day I'd advise you to do as I do and not bother upgrading at all because frankly all the options on the market are appalling. By buying a 4080 at $1,200+ you are rewarding Nvidia for nearly doubling the price of the xx80 class GPU while also cutting down performance even more relating to the xx90 class product. At that point you have no one to blame but yourself that prices keep increasing but you are getting less and less.

fala meu brother !!

my airflow config

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Remove the top exhaust. You either want a rear exhaust or a top exhaust but not both.

 

[N/A]

4090 will never ever be able to rise and shine, 80 teraflops, double that of 3090Ti, but the same GDDR6x it doesn't make any sense, it needs GDDR7 36 Gbps, not this 24Gbps crap. So avoid 40 series at all cost if possible or get away with the minimum.

Brazil sounds a lot like what I've been hearing about prices in the EU, especially the taxes

There is no import tax in EU, 4070 Ti goes for 1000-1100, 19-20% vat included.

Brazil has 30% import on top of that and 17% vat tax.

 

[inter2010]

The problem I have with the 4080 is that it's just so cut down from the 4090 and yet they are still charging a minimum of $1,200. You can really see the performance gap between them in VR, the 4090 has a lot of room to grow as games become more demanding.



Yes, the 4070 Ti shouldn't even be considered for 4K. It has less memory bandwidth then a 3070 Ti and barely more than a 3070. At $800 it's essentially a xx60 Ti class card.



Both of those are terrible options but the 4070 Ti is particularly bad at 4K. Consider also that the 4080 is a tad over half the die size of the 4090 and realize that you are paying most of the price of a 4090 by buying the 4080 while getting vastly less.

At the end of the day I'd advise you to do as I do and not bother upgrading at all because frankly all the options on the market are appalling. By buying a 4080 at $1,200+ you are rewarding Nvidia for nearly doubling the price of the xx80 class GPU while also cutting down performance even more relating to the xx90 class product. At that point you have no one to blame but yourself that prices keep increasing but you are getting less and less.



Remove the top exhaust. You either want a rear exhaust or a top exhaust but not both.

whatever my choice is a bad choice for various reasons. the best choice would be to wait for the next generation.

as for the fans I could remove the rear and put 2 on the top adding to the other 2 of the aio

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Yes, the 4070 Ti shouldn't even be considered for 4K. It has less memory bandwidth then a 3070 Ti and barely more than a 3070.

Are you aware that the L2 cache has been increased by a factor of 12?

They are doing the same thing AMD did last gen - cutting bus size in favor of cache quantity. (Slightly different implementation, AMD used L3)

Don't make too many assumptions based on that, just look at the reviews.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

4090 will never ever be able to rise and shine, 80 teraflops, double that of 3090Ti, but the same GDDR6x it doesn't make any sense, it needs GDDR7 36 Gbps, not this 24Gbps crap. So avoid 40 series at all cost if possible or get away with the minimum.


There is no import tax in EU, 4070 Ti goes for 1000-1100, 19-20% vat included.

Brazil has 30% import on top of that and 17% vat tax.

I've heard of a spot in the EU? Where it was likely pay VAT twice, or something absurd like that.

There is no import tax in EU, 4070 Ti goes for 1000-1100, 19-20% vat included.

Sounded like even with no import tax in the sense that you're thinking, it still stings!

 

[eidairaman1]

Brazil sounds a lot like what I've been hearing about prices in the EU, especially the taxes!


Pre-2019 monitor?

Brazil acts like a banana republic in some instances

 

[sLowEnd]

4090 or bust. Nothing else comes close to what you're asking for. If you can't afford the 4090, set your expectations lower. (i.e. Deal with medium or high settings instead of ultra, depending on your budget)

 

[Dr. Dro]

Brazil acts like a banana republic in some instances

It doesn't act like it, it is one

4090 or bust. Nothing else comes close to what you're asking for. If you can't afford the 4090, set your expectations lower. (i.e. Deal with medium or high settings instead of ultra, depending on your budget)

4090s cost up to 15, 16k BRL here. Pricing has been very unfriendly which is why I haven't purchased one.

@inter2010 Oba rss

RX 7900 XTX for 8899 at Pichau is probably the best way to spend your humble few thousands of Lulas on a 4K GPU.

 

[Dr. Dro]

You are really suggesting a driverbugged, vaporoverheating $1000 gpu that is trash? If the op is gonna spend $1000+ then why not go with the 4080? Its $200 more with the same performance with proper rt performance and whatever else!

In Brazil, the 7900 XTX costs on average what the premium segment 4070 Ti's cost, and is technically a better card.

Those $200 quickly convert themselves in 2000 BRL, the RTX 4080 is not worth buying in our country as if you spend 11k on a graphics card, might as well sit on your money for a little longer and buy the 4090, basic models which start at 13k or thereabouts. Unless you find a 4080 for around 9k, which I have seen (I think it was one of PNY's AIB models), but those are harder to come by.

 

[evernessince]

Are you aware that the L2 cache has been increased by a factor of 12?

They are doing the same thing AMD did last gen - cutting bus size in favor of cache quantity. (Slightly different implementation, AMD used L3)

Don't make too many assumptions based on that, just look at the reviews.

The problem with AMD's last gen design and the same issue the 4070 Ti has, more cache can't completely offset a lack of memory bandwidth at higher resolutions.

Hence the 4070 Ti's performance is poor at 4K and even worse in VR.

AMD realized this and it's why it nearly doubled memory bandwidth going from the 6900 XT to the 7900 XT. Unlike last generation where AMD was trailing at higher resolutions the 7900 XT pulls further ahead at higher resolutions.

whatever my choice is a bad choice for various reasons. the best choice would be to wait for the next generation.

as for the fans I could remove the rear and put 2 on the top adding to the other 2 of the aio

That should work.

 

[Chrispy_]

Pre-2019 monitor?

Why ask me? It's only three clicks and took me under two seconds (no exaggeration).

The answer is in the first result and you don't even have to click on it because "2018" is in the search result preview...

 

[Vayra86]

I also ask another thing, all of you have talked about air conditioning, what would be the temperature range of the room to make a PC work in optimal conditions and make it last even longer over time?

-10C? Ambient temp directly influences the boost you can maintain on hardware. Just stick with room temp though honestly

 

[JustBenching]

No need for that tone. As shown in TPU's reviews, 4070Ti performs the same as 3090Ti at FHD and QHD and it falls behind at UHD. You need more proof on top of that?

Well the 6900xt performs better than the 3090 in 1080p and then falls behind in UHD. You think that's because of the lack of Vram?

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Well the 6900xt performs better than the 3090 in 1080p and then falls behind in UHD. You think that's because of the lack of Vram?

Bandwidth, I think. Very narrow bus and only partially compensated for by L3.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Why ask me? It's only three clicks and took me under two seconds (no exaggeration).

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The answer is in the first result and you don't even have to click on it because "2018" is in the search result preview...

In the late-2010s, especially before 2019, if not before 2018 as well, back in the Pascal era, people seemed to be going crazy over G-Sync.

But, the HP Omen 25 (a 144 Hz TN, BTW) that I got in 2018, supports Free Sync, according to the monitor OSD.

For the Omen 25, Free Sync is disabled by default, you must turn the option on in the monitor OSD, or AMD's software will say "Not Supported". I suspect that may be the case for that Alienware monitor.