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[JustBenching]

That's complete nonsense, I've just ran the cyberpunk benchmark out of curiosity with and without RT and the CPU usage was higher without RT, which is as expected because the game is pushing significantly more frames. I've also ran it at a locked framerate and it was still roughly the same, no "insanely heavy" usage.

Because your card is bottlenecking the crap out of your cpu. Arent you bored arguing with me and always proven to be wrong? I mean come on now

 

[Vya Domus]

Because your card is bottlenecking the crap out of your cpu.

Every card is going to be bottlenecked with RT at high resolutions genius, I can run the same benchmark at 720P and the same thing happens. "Insanely heavy" usage should be at least observable, because you know, it's insane after all.

Arent you bored arguing with me and always proven to be wrong?

Proven wrong by what ? Aren't you tired of making crazy claims with no proof whatsoever ? You previously mentioned some links that you said show the insane CPU usage when RT is enabled, so, post them.

 

[JustBenching]

Every card is going to be bottlenecked with RT at high resolutions genius, I can run the same benchmark at 720P and the same thing happens. "Insanely heavy" usage should be at least observable, because you know, it's insane after all.



Proven wrong by what ? Aren't you tired of making crazy claims with no proof whatsoever ? You previously mentioned some links that you said show the insane CPU usage when RT is enabled, so, post them.

Then drop to 720p and show me your fps with RT on and RT off. Then youll realize that your cpu manages lower framerate with RT on.


But nevermind, you are a lost cause

 

[Vya Domus]

But nevermind, you are a lost cause

Why don't you just stop stalling and either show us those links so we can settle this or admit you have no proof ?

Then drop to 720p and show me your fps with RT on and RT off.

Pointless, it just does what you expect it to, a couple of threads are close to being maxed out while most others do nothing. The combined CPU usage across all threads is like 15% either way, no such thing as insanely heavy usage.

 

[JustBenching]

Why don't you just stop stalling and either show us those links so we can settle this or admit you have no proof ?


Pointless, it just does what you expect it to, a couple of threads are close to being maxed out while most others do nothing. The combined CPU usage across all threads is like 15% either way, no such thing as insanely heavy usage.

I didnt ask you about the usage, i asked you about the framerate.

Dodging united

 

[Vya Domus]

Dodging united

Lmao, that's rich considering the fact that you're literally doing anything except show the proof. I wonder why, probably because there is none and it's all just utter nonsense.

Just post the links bro.

i asked you about the framerate.

The framerate always goes down with RT on, at all resolutions, how dense can you be ?

 

[Dredi]

I don't even know what that means.

And it shows. I already stated some things that NEED to be considered when designing and running tests. If you disagree, you are simply wrong. And no, I have no horse in this race, I simply asked you questions in the first place because of around 1000% larger claimed performance difference between the two processors, compared to what for example GN and TPU have managed to show, and was intrigued about what it was all about.

 

[JustBenching]

The framerate always goes down with RT on, at all resolutions, how dense can you be ?

So the framerate goes down due to the cpu... Which is what im saying all this time. The proof is right there, the heck are you talking about is beyond mw

And it shows. I already stated some things that NEED to be considered when designing and running tests. If you disagree, you are simply wrong. And no, I have no horse in this race, I simply asked you questions in the first place because of around 1000% larger claimed performance difference between the two processors, compared to what for example GN and TPU have managed to show, and was intrigued about what it was all about.

Well ask the guy avove with his 7900x to post a cyberpunk run like mine and youll see the 1000% larger claimed performance compared to gn and tpu. Of course he will decline but its worth a try you know

 

[Dredi]

Well ask the guy avove with his 7900x

So you have the same gpu? Don’t be an idiot and take the test setup stuff seriously, plz.

And ask tpu/gn/eurogamer/hub to test your cpu taxing scenario. Or do it yourself to at least some quality standard.

And no one claimed 1000% larger (why larger, and not higher?) performance.

 

[JustBenching]

So you have the same gpu? Don’t be an idiot and take the test setup stuff seriously, plz.

And ask tpu/gn/eurogamer/hub to test your cpu taxing scenario. Or do it yourself to at least some quality standard.

And no one claimed 1000% larger (why larger, and not higher?) performance.

Why does the GPU matter if the tests are completely cpu bound? I mean come on....

 

[Dredi]

Why does the GPU matter if the tests are completely cpu bound? I mean come on....

Different drivers, different cpu requirements. Come on.

AMD gpu drivers need to do more calculations with cpu when calculating raytracing shit, for example.

pretty basic shit.

 

[Vya Domus]

So the framerate goes down due to the cpu...

Nope, that’s what you claim and you can’t prove it.

Even taking into account the fact that you’re clearly trolling do you realise how dumb this sounds ? RT incurs a cost per frame on the GPU side that’s why the frame rate goes down when it’s enabled at any resolution.

As a troll you should really step up your game and at least get the absolute basics right.

 

[Dredi]

Nope, that’s what you claim and you can’t prove it.

Even taking into account the fact that you’re clearly trolling do you realise how dumb this sounds ? RT incurs a cost per frame on the GPU side that’s why the frame rate goes down when it’s enabled at any resolution.

As a troll you should really step up your game and at least get the absolute basics right.

I mean, you could see his point if the resolution was like 200x100 px, then the framerate would be capped by the cpu regardless of settings. But at 4k it of course won’t work as he envisions. I believe the discussion was about 0.1% lows at 4k, before this silly shit about (faux?) youtube videos.

 

[JustBenching]

Nope, that’s what you claim and you can’t prove it.

Even taking into account the fact that you’re clearly trolling do you realise how dumb this sounds ? RT incurs a cost per frame on the GPU side that’s why the frame rate goes down when it’s enabled at any resolution.

As a troll you should really step up your game and at least get the absolute basics right.

Indeed RT incurs a cost per frame on the GPU side if you have an amd card, since they are bad at RT. If you have an nvidia things change. Drop your resolution to 240p so your card can actually pump those frames and tell me your framerate with and without RT.

 

[Dredi]

Indeed RT incurs a cost per frame on the GPU side if you have an amd card

It does have a cost per frame on all cards. Come on now.

 

[Vya Domus]

Indeed RT incurs a cost per frame on the GPU side if you have an amd card, since they are bad at RT. If you have an nvidia things change.

Yeah because if you have an AMD card RT runs on the GPU side and if you have an Nvidia card it runs where ? In outer space ?

Dude the more you post the stupider your explanations get, stop.

 

[JustBenching]

Yeah because if you have an AMD card RT runs on the GPU side and if you have an Nvidia card it runs where ? In outer space ?

Dude the more you post the stupider your explanations get, stop.

How can you be so wrong in every thread about every possible thing? That's insane.

Drop to a resolution that your GPU isn't the bottleneck and check your framerates with RT on and off. Then overclock your cpu (or underclock, doesn't matter) and check your fps again. They will change - because the bottleneck isn't the GPU but your CPU. Then compare your frames with RT on and RT off, youll realize that enabling RT makes the game much harder for the CPU, not just the GPU. If you still don't get it i don't know how to help

 

[OkieDan]

This CPU performance with RT on sounds interesting. Hopefully a well established tester that follows the scientific process as closely as possible and doesn't have a history of bias will do some testing on this.

 

[JustBenching]

This CPU performance with RT on sounds interesting. Hopefully a well established tester that follows the scientific process as closely as possible and doesn't have a history of bias will do some testing on this.

It's been done multiple times. DF did a test on spiderman, with RT on it's a cpu hog and even a 12400 fails to keep a steady 60 fps.

 

[wolf]

How can you be so wrong in every thread about every possible thing?

Should have seen the one the other day arguing that he could see shimmer in DLSS/FSR from screenshots alone, and having access to see them both with my own eyes in motion was no better at all than a compressed screenshot comparison When someone else chimed in to agree with me it was promptly dropped too.

 

[JustBenching]

Should have seen the one the other day arguing that he could see shimmer in DLSS/FSR from screenshots alone, and having access to see them both with my own eyes in motion was no better at all than a compressed screenshot comparison When someone else chimed in to agree with me it was promptly dropped too.

What I find notoriously suspicious is all I hear is claims of insane performance of the 3d and other amd cpus in games. But whenever you ask for a video from their pc running that game at those insane framerates, you get nothing. I swear ive been trying for a year, all I get is posts talking about great performance, but then when you ask for videos....they all disappear. That is highly suspect

 

[wheresmycar]

What I find notoriously suspicious is all I hear is claims of insane performance of the 3d and other amd cpus in games. But whenever you ask for a video from their pc running that game at those insane framerates, you get nothing. I swear ive been trying for a year, all I get is posts talking about great performance, but then when you ask for videos....they all disappear. That is highly suspect

don't worry i might be grabbing a 5800X3D in the coming weeks. I wouldn't mind sharing screenshots/vids but only in the games i play at 1440p... can't be bothered with anything else really. Or did you have a specific test scenario in mind?

 

[Dredi]

This CPU performance with RT on sounds interesting. Hopefully a well established tester that follows the scientific process as closely as possible and doesn't have a history of bias will do some testing on this.

Yup. Waiting for someone not too deep in the fanboi pit to check up on the claims made by @fevgatos

Anyone here with a 12xxx processor and cyberpunk? Do you get 200fps with RT on?

 

[Arco]

I got a 7950x and an RTX 4090. Could I help in any way?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

don't worry i might be grabbing a 5800X3D in the coming weeks. I wouldn't mind sharing screenshots/vids but only in the games i play at 1440p... can't be bothered with anything else really. Or did you have a specific test scenario in mind?

He will have a specific case in mind, one of the few he stands a chance of being right in. IE 280p RT on or some other nonsense no one's using.

Now this chip isn't out and he's already on his podium spouting shit, imagine the butt hurt trolling we will see when it's out and his precious looks less good.

I'm glad I ignore most of his drivel