Hot Temps for 5800X3D

[3x0]

Then consider returning the CPU. If you're sure the pump and the contact/pressure are OK then there's nothing more to do. I run -30 CO with a Scythe Fuma 2 air cooler below 80C in CB23

Also Sometimes at cold starts I hear weird sound from the pump like a bad cluntch

Yeah, that doesn't sound that the pump is OK. Maybe there's gunk in the loop preventing good flow of water

 

[Miroo/\:o:/\]

CB R23 test @ current settings CO @-30 vcore offset -0.05 .....score 13520pts

Then consider returning the CPU. If you're sure the pump and the contact/pressure are OK then there's nothing more to do. I run -30 CO with a Scythe Fuma 2 air cooler below 80C in CB23

I will try another aio MSI MAG 360 before thinking about an RMA ...really don't want to go through all this

 

[candymancan21]

Yes it is running ...at load it runs @2900ish RPM...monitored from CAM

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Also Sometimes at cold starts I hear weird sound from the pump like a bad cluntch

Its pribably the cold plate on your AIO. I found a thread awhile ago where people investigated the hot temps on the 5000 and 3000 series.. and with the way the cpu core chiplets are positioned it causes issues with some AIOs as the fins on the plate are rectangle shaped for older designed cpus where it was just a rectangle shaped core.. So your entire core is probably not even being cooled properly.

You might also have a clogged block or vad pump if its making noises or air is in the system.. This is why i despise AIOs they are non servicable..

Im on custom water using an older Ek supremacy evo block and my idle temps are 36-39c and my load temps on cinebench24 are 69-71c on the core and 74 i think on the CCO. In prime 95 small ffts is 85.

This is on my 5800x 3d


Reposition your block.. turn it the other way so rotate it 1.4 turn if you can to see if that fixes the problem.

 

[Miroo/\:o:/\]

I am also a bit confused as I have a Q LED display on the MB that displays temperatures (should be CPU temps) but it is always 10-11°c less than what is shown onHWinfo. Iset on BIOS 0 Fan for case fans below 40°c and the fans are zeroing according to the QLED information

Reposition your block.. turn it the other way so rotate it 1.4 turn if you can to see if that fixes the problem.

Will definitly try this!

 

[manulix]

Hi Guys

This is mine CB23 (Multi-Core) ended with score of 14769 pt, with BIOS CU settings @Core -30 and Gold/Silver Core -25. The 5800X3D has reached 80.5 C as the max peak:

The Clocks and Temps they look good to me, what do you think?

 

[3x0]

Close all background applications including HWInfo, the score should be 15k+ with those settings

 

[Taraquin]

Hi Guys

This is mine CB23 (Multi-Core) ended with score of 14769 pt, with BIOS CU settings @Core -30 and Gold/Silver Core -25. The 5800X3D has reached 80.5 C as the max peak:

The Clocks and Temps they look good to me, what do you think?

Try lowering VDD18-voltage in bios (if available) to improve temps and performance even more. Unless you overclock ram above 3800 you can usually lower VDD18 to 1.6-1.7v withouth problems. At the right temp (somewhere below 80C) allcore should be stable 4450MHz and you should get about 15300 in CB23 unless you have too much bloatware etc.

 

[3x0]

Try lowering VDD18-voltage in bios (if available) to improve temps and performance even more.

For me there's no difference 1.6-1.85v VDD18 with 1866 IF

 

[Taraquin]

For me there's no difference 1.6-1.85v VDD18 with 1866 IF

I got a 5C reducing in temps in cinebench on my 5600X, but results may vary.

 

[Miroo/\:o:/\]

The 5800X3D has reached 80.5 C as the max peak:

Out of curiosity ...what cooler do you use?

 

[Miroo/\:o:/\]

Hi ,
Still struggling with the temps
I have a question regarding X62 Kraken performances ; so is it normal to have :
- Idle CPU package T°@ 49~52 °c Min and water T° @35~37°c,
-CB R23 test CPU package T° @steady 90°c (Clock down to 3.8ish) and water T° @46°c , The Package Power was only 74W

For info: Downgraded to Bios 2803 (Asus Rog B550 XE)
PBO2 @-30 all cores , 105/60/90 Vcore offset -0.1v and SOC offset -0.05v
Repasted, reseated and rotated the cooler pump to 90° from original position

Under load the cpu go straight to 90°c in 5 to7 seconds and can't hold Vcore 1.0v (down to 0.950-0.975v)

Lot of frustration here

 

[freeagent]

Wow you are getting no performance out of that thing. I would ditch that CLC and get an FC140. Unless it is 30-35c in your space..

 

[Miroo/\:o:/\]

Wow you are getting no performance out of that thing. I would ditch that CLC and get an FC140. Unless it is 30-35c in your space..

My ambient T°c is around 25-27°c....something I also noticed from the numerous repaste processes is that the thermal paste is always pushed to the sides leaving some empty spaces in the middle ....could it be that the contact surface of CPU or Cooler isn't flat ???

 

[manulix]

Try lowering VDD18-voltage in bios (if available) to improve temps and performance even more. Unless you overclock ram above 3800 you can usually lower VDD18 to 1.6-1.7v withouth problems. At the right temp (somewhere below 80C) allcore should be stable 4450MHz and you should get about 15300 in CB23 unless you have too much bloatware etc.

Lowering the VDD18-voltage will 'broke' the AMD warranty?

I removed a lot of stuff bloatware, but on my OS is running Armory Create and other Asus services which consumes quite a bit of resources

 

[Taraquin]

Lowering the VDD18-voltage will 'broke' the AMD warranty?

I removed a lot of stuff bloatware, but on my OS is running Armory Create and other Asus services which consumes quite a bit of resources

They cannot know if you ran lower voltage. You can't hurt components by lowering voltage, but it may cause instability due to too low power.

 

[manulix]

Close all background applications including HWInfo, the score should be 15k+ with those settings

With all background app closed I got 14900+ PT on CB23

I probably lost silicon lottery

 

[Taraquin]

With all background app closed I got 14900+ PT on CB23

I probably lost silicon lottery

What is temp during load? Ifyou get it down to 75C or lower I bet 15000+ is doable.

 

[Tropick]

My ambient T°c is around 25-27°c....something I also noticed from the numerous repaste processes is that the thermal paste is always pushed to the sides leaving some empty spaces in the middle ....could it be that the contact surface of CPU or Cooler isn't flat ???

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This might help explain the phenomenon:
https://koolingmonster.com/insights/what-is-thermal-paste-pump-out-on-a-cpu-and-a-gpu

 

[manulix]

What is temp during load? Ifyou get it down to 75C or lower I bet 15000+ is doable.

I got ~78-80 °C during high-load with heatsink NH-U12S.
My ambient T is around ~22 °C

 

[LeWZ]

Sounds about right for a block at 25C. I doubt fan speed helps much, it's water and there's not much actual wattage, just density.

You can adjust power to your liking, just keep in mind that all-core clocks stop scaling at 4450MHz. Only BCLK can go further. So adjust power as necessary to max out at 4450MHz, and make sure there's no major clock stretching (discrepancy between Core Clock and Effective Clock during test) or performance loss.

It's best to find a combination of PPT/TDC/EDC that works well. Adjusting PPT alone doesn't always work too well for actual performance. For the 15k run I think I used something like 100/65/90.

Back in november you used 100/65/90 (PPT/TDC/EDC). What are your optimal settings today?

 

[tabascosauz]

Back in november you used 100/65/90 (PPT/TDC/EDC). What are your optimal settings today?

I don't cap the power anymore since I'm not limited to a C14S anymore.

 

[LeWZ]

I don't cap the power anymore since I'm not limited to a C14S anymore.

I see... I have a NH-D15 but wanted to get temps down without losing too much performance. I already use CO -30 and was experimenting with those ppt/tdc/edc numbers.

 

[freeagent]

I already use CO -30

That’s about all you can do with 5800X3D outside of memory stuff.

 

[tabascosauz]

I see... I have a NH-D15 but wanted to get temps down without losing too much performance. I already use CO -30 and was experimenting with those ppt/tdc/edc numbers.

Because 5800X3Ds don't come close to maxing out 142W in R23, with a high end air cooler I wouldn't touch power limits unless it just can't handle the heat. Limits and CO both reduce temps but only CO realistically improves performance on this CPU.

Every CPU/board/BIOS combination comes out to a different PPT. You just have to find out where yours is and adjust accordingly. Mine lands around the 105W mark but I've been up around 120W on some other boards/BIOSes

For this BIOS I leave it on -30 and am between 15000-15200 every run, at about 105W and 76-79C on U12A. In a couple days I will be swapping out the U12A for a FC140.

But really, when it comes to lower limits the only real difference is chasing that 15k score in R23. Day-to-day, 90/60/90, 100/65/90, 105/65/80, 110/80/80 was all the same. iirc it doesn't start cutting clocks until about 70-75C.

 

[LeWZ]

Because 5800X3Ds don't come close to maxing out 142W in R23, with a high end air cooler I wouldn't touch power limits unless it just can't handle the heat. Limits and CO both reduce temps but only CO realistically improves performance on this CPU.

Every CPU/board/BIOS combination comes out to a different PPT. You just have to find out where yours is and adjust accordingly. Mine lands around the 105W mark but I've been up around 120W on some other boards/BIOSes

For this BIOS I leave it on -30 and am between 15000-15200 every run, at about 105W and 76-79C on U12A. In a couple days I will be swapping out the U12A for a FC140.

But really, when it comes to lower limits the only real difference is chasing that 15k score in R23. Day-to-day, 90/60/90, 100/65/90, 105/65/80, 110/80/80 was all the same. iirc it doesn't start cutting clocks until about 70-75C.

Ok, thanks a lot!