Hot Temps for 5800X3D

[Morgoth]

RESERVOIR > PUMP > GPU > RESERVOIR > CPU > RESERVOIR > TOP RAD > FRONT RAD > RESERVOIR > PUMP

by the looks of that the CPU gets cooled with warm water that went past the GPU.... put a rad between it... or seperate loop or back to air

 

[lawood]

Just got the x3d.

80c after 10 minutes on cinebench with -20.

Cooled by the artic freezer duo 34.

Without -20, its more like 85c.

It's pulling 110 watts more or less.

Does this seem ok?

EDIT: I tightened he cooler a bit more, temps dropped around 5c. This always happens when I get a new cpu.

But prime small ffts is a no go, instant 90c.

 

[freeagent]

She’s hot.

 

[lawood]

Yeah, prime 95 is off limits with this chip lol
Now I'm trying to automate the pb2 tuner software.
I'm pretty amazed atm, i dialed in -30 on all cores and corecycler is stable for 5 interactions. I will be doing much more testing but this is a promising start.

 

[pf100]

5800X was thermally the worst Zen 3 CPU.
5800X3D has even worse thermals. Expect straight to 90C for most all-core workloads. There is no comparing to other Ryzen 5000 CPUs (Ryzen 7000 maybe).

All of these people reporting 90c temps have something wrong with their cooling. I upgraded from a 5800x to a 5800x3d (a family member needed a cpu so I took the opportunity to upgrade) and if the x3d is hotter it isn't by much. With a noctua nh-d15s and CO -30 (kombo strike setting 3) I'm idling at 42c and I've never seen it go over 78c in multi core workloads like cinebench. In my hottest running game, battlefield 5, I'm running in the low 70's. I'm having zero problems with this cpu, and I'm running on air.

 

[CamoGeko]

Mine never breaks 75C with Deepcool AS500 + 2 Noctua NF-A15 HS fans and 75W PPT limit.

Something is wrong with your cooling if you're reaching 90C.

 

[tabascosauz]

All of these people reporting 90c temps have something wrong with their cooling. I upgraded from a 5800x to a 5800x3d (a family member needed a cpu so I took the opportunity to upgrade) and if the x3d is hotter it isn't by much. With a noctua nh-d15s and CO -30 (kombo strike setting 3) I'm idling at 42c and I've never seen it go over 78c in multi core workloads like cinebench. In my hottest running game, battlefield 5, I'm running in the low 70's. I'm having zero problems with this cpu, and I'm running on air.

• People have different ambient temps - a bunch of these threads in the past year have been with 30C+ ambients.
• Different boards and even different BIOSes on same boards perform wildly differently as to Vcore and core power. 4303 BIOS on the Impact requires a very hefty -0.075V Vcore offset just to get to the same Vcore as 4006 BIOS, and still runs up to 5 degrees hotter at higher power.

It's already well-known that temp variances between CPU samples are not good. @ 2:40

Mine never breaks 75C with Deepcool AS500 + 2 Noctua NF-A15 HS fans and 75W PPT limit.

Stock 5800X3D is around 110-120W. If you're already hitting 75C at 75W then I hate to break it to you but cooling needs work (assuming a sane 20-25C ambient). AS500 is a reasonably strong cooler. Most of it comes down to cooler contact and mounting.

 

[pf100]

Different boards and even different BIOSes on same boards perform wildly differently as to Vcore and core power. 4303 BIOS on the Impact requires a very hefty -0.075V Vcore offset just to get to the same Vcore as 4006 BIOS, and still runs up to 5 degrees hotter at higher power.
It's already well-known that temp variances between CPU samples are not good. @ 2:40

In that video he says with normal cooling you probably wouldn't notice a difference between the two cpu's and that he's going to look into it some more probably in another video. I mean, look at that pc, it's as small as possible with everything packed in so tight you couldn't slip a piece of paper between components. There's no way these cpu's should be hitting 90c with adequate cooling unless the voltage is too high, and if you're running in a very hot environment you need the best possible cooling at the lowest possible voltage no matter what cpu you're running. It sounds to me like motherboad makers are just kind of doing whatever they want when it comes to voltage. The fastest cpu's run hot, they just do. And for people to just plug it in without any thought to taking precautions for heat seems disingenuous to me.

 

[H1o84]

Hello,

5800X3D aircooled (Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 3) with -25 on all Cores (no other changes).
When i stress (CPU-Z all Cores) the CPU for about 15 minutes, i maximum get to 75,3 °C (highest Value i ever had with this CPU / System).
[The AMD 1600X i had before was max ~ 66°C in the same System but with stock settings]

Motherboard: Asus CH VI (x370)
Power: 850 Watt be quiet! Dark Power 13
Case: Thermaltake Core X 5 (all sides mesh / Motherboard Horzontal - i hate this Vertical Mounting especially with the big CPU air Cooler and the heavy air cooled Graphic Cards).

The Deepcool AS500 is smaller then my Cooler, but with 75W PPT you should get better Temperatures i think.
How is the airflow in your System? Maybe you have additional °C by using a closed, small or full packed Case?

 

[ZShinko]

I don't know why it happens but my temps also maxed out at 90C when playing and only small random peaks that rarely occurs, If I stress test my CPU with benchmarks or stress tests I just can't get past 76C Max temp (pulling around 110 to 120W). All test done while benching the GPU aswell, to get a more accurate result.

Ambient temp: ~29/31C
Mobo: Asus PrimeX570-P
Case: LianLi O11 XL

Everything in a Custom loop with:
60mm thick 360 bottom rad (intake fans pull config) (EK)
30mm thick 360 top rad (exhaust push config) (Bykski)
3 more fans on the side as intake
1 fan exhaust on the back
PNY 4090 XLR8 with an alphacool waterblock (usually tops at 57C (never seen it higher) iddles aroun 31 and 35C)
Bykski CPU for the 5800X3D waterblock (iddles at 41C and tops at 90C randomly and 76C with benchmarks and stress test)

Loop is going: res/pump -> 60mm rad -> GPU -> CPU -> 30mm rad -> back to the res

Running just destilled water with an avarage temp of 36 to 38C
All fans are Artic P12 and running only at 25% to 50% for temps under 80C and 50% to 100% between 80C and MAX temp
Pump always at 25% and 50% from 80C to 100C

 

[AlvaBravo]

5800X3D is weird and hot, just like my Ex.
But still manageable for me, using 2x240 rads, and bykski cpu and gpu water block.
Got OK score I guess on cinebench R23 15125, max temp on cineR23 is 79~80°c, using ROG b550f, -30, offset - 0.0626v

 

[iGigaFlop2]

It runs hot i was using pbo2 tuner -30
on all the cores on a 5800x3d with a kracken x72 pretty much fans and pump maxed out and i would hit 80c maybe a little higher in cinebench. On my 7950x3d i moved to a arctic freezer ii 420 and it does really well the offset mounting seems to help ryzen cpu’s. When I moved from my 5950x to the 5800x3d i was very surprised how much hotter it ran. But I was surprised i did a tinker build with my old parts 5800x3d and 3080ti and I decided to air cool I hadn’t build a rig with air cooling in awhile and I didn’t want to spend much and picked up a thermalright peerless assassin 120 and i was surprised how good it does on the x3d.

 

[Space Lynx]

I don't know why it happens but my temps also maxed out at 90C when playing and only small random peaks that rarely occurs, If I stress test my CPU with benchmarks or stress tests I just can't get past 76C Max temp (pulling around 110 to 120W). All test done while benching the GPU aswell, to get a more accurate result.

Ambient temp: ~29/31C
Mobo: Asus PrimeX570-P
Case: LianLi O11 XL

Everything in a Custom loop with:
60mm thick 360 bottom rad (intake fans pull config) (EK)
30mm thick 360 top rad (exhaust push config) (Bykski)
3 more fans on the side as intake
1 fan exhaust on the back
PNY 4090 XLR8 with an alphacool waterblock (usually tops at 57C (never seen it higher) iddles aroun 31 and 35C)
Bykski CPU for the 5800X3D waterblock (iddles at 41C and tops at 90C randomly and 76C with benchmarks and stress test)

Loop is going: res/pump -> 60mm rad -> GPU -> CPU -> 30mm rad -> back to the res

Running just destilled water with an avarage temp of 36 to 38C
All fans are Artic P12 and running only at 25% to 50% for temps under 80C and 50% to 100% between 80C and MAX temp
Pump always at 25% and 50% from 80C to 100C

ambient is 29-31 celsius? wow. I honestly don't know how people like yourself can enjoy gaming in such hot conditions. that 87 faren for us Americans... yeah no way I am enjoying a game if my bedroom was that hot.

 

[iGigaFlop2]

ambient is 29-31 celsius? wow. I honestly don't know how people like yourself can enjoy gaming in such hot conditions. that 87 faren for us Americans... yeah no way I am enjoying a game if my bedroom was that hot.

I have a 1300watts psu, 7950x3d and a 4090 on my main build with 10 case fans and man it heats up my room my house has central ac but i had to put a window unit in my game room. Hell even the ps5 or series x can heat up the room though. Im still getting used to these new cpu temps what used to be crazy hot is now the norm

 

[Deleted member 230939]

My 5800x3D behaves ok, though it has a -72mv undervolt on the Thermalright 120 SE, it will rech 86c rendering with Handbrake.

 

[CamoGeko]

This is with me streaming and gaming on my 5800X3D for almost 9 hours straight in a 23C room. Cooled by a new Kraken 280 AIO with 2 Arctic P14 fans in front intake cooling setup, and 100W PPT in BIOS/-30 CO.

I wanted to go back to a dual air 120 fan air cooled setup but I have doubts that it would be able to cool my 5800X3D.

 

[Mussels]

5800X3D is weird and hot, just like my Ex.

Heat density is the issue. Bigger coolers dont help, it's 100% about the contact between the CPU die, the IHS, and your heatsinks base.
They're around the 120W mark, so bigger coolers dont help - but small changes to how the cooler is mounted or thermal paste is done, will.

Lower EDC or TDC can reduce the low core count spikes without harming the all core benches - you'd have to find a way match up the EDC and TDC values and see what they are at the moment the temps spike up (1-2 core benchmarks or something)

cinebench R23 15125, max temp on cineR23 is 79~80°c, using ROG b550f, -30, offset - 0.0626v

This matches my setup very closely, same offset and everything.


Camogecko: that image is useless with it cropped off and no explanation for what the values are. Use HWinfo64 and the windows snipping too.

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[AlvaBravo]

Yea, did anyone has tried to delid this chip??
Cause I cant find anything, other than one video on youtube, showing already delided chip, but no bechmark or whatsoever.

OR SHOULD I????

 

[CamoGeko]

Heat density is the issue. Bigger coolers dont help, it's 100% about the contact between the CPU die, the IHS, and your heatsinks base.
They're around the 120W mark, so bigger coolers dont help - but small changes to how the cooler is mounted or thermal paste is done, will.

Lower EDC or TDC can reduce the low core count spikes without harming the all core benches - you'd have to find a way match up the EDC and TDC values and see what they are at the moment the temps spike up (1-2 core benchmarks or something)


This matches my setup very closely, same offset and everything.


Camogecko: that image is useless with it cropped off and no explanation for what the values are. Use HWinfo64 and the windows snipping too.

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What values are you looking for exactly??

I literally mentioned everything important in the text below the image.

 

[Mussels]

What values are you looking for exactly??

I literally mentioned everything important in the text below the image.

I'm not looking for anything from them - I'm just letting you know that image holds zero meaning since you cropped everything out.
Without the names of the values and categories, none of it is useful.

 

[19Romulus84]

This processor simply by its construction is like that and so everyone has, no matter what cooling you have. I have Fera 3 and it's enough. This processor is hot for everyone and everyone. This is my third Ryzen and Ryzen, and this one is outstanding, they have temperature jumps, voltage spikes, clock spikes and it does not affect their lifespan at all. I will not do any undervolting, in load tests in OCCT, but in normal mode, max 84-85 degrees, in extreme mode it takes a minute and it is also around 90 degrees. And so does everyone, unless you have billion-dollar cooling. It doesn't matter if you have Fera 3 or 5 or you have Fortis 3 or 5, the processor will still be hot under full load, and the difference can be 2-3 degrees. This is a gaming processor if you knew you wanted to process VIDEO or work on it and constantly load it 100% and to the max then you should get a different processor. This processor is hot as long as it is 85 degrees, there is absolutely nothing to worry about and I think that AMD itself writes that this processor can work at 90 degrees all the time and so it will be and AMD knows very well that this processor can safely and work at 90 degrees all the time.

 

[Mussels]

This processor simply by its construction is like that and so everyone has, no matter what cooling you have. I have Fera 3 and it's enough. This processor is hot for everyone and everyone. This is my third Ryzen and Ryzen, and this one is outstanding, they have temperature jumps, voltage spikes, clock spikes and it does not affect their lifespan at all. I will not do any undervolting, in load tests in OCCT, but in normal mode, max 84-85 degrees, in extreme mode it takes a minute and it is also around 90 degrees. And so does everyone, unless you have billion-dollar cooling. It doesn't matter if you have Fera 3 or 5 or you have Fortis 3 or 5, the processor will still be hot under full load, and the difference can be 2-3 degrees. This is a gaming processor if you knew you wanted to process VIDEO or work on it and constantly load it 100% and to the max then you should get a different processor. This processor is hot as long as it is 85 degrees, there is absolutely nothing to worry about and I think that AMD itself writes that this processor can work at 90 degrees all the time and so it will be and AMD knows very well that this processor can safely and work at 90 degrees all the time.

It's definitely possible to run them cooler without needing bigger coolers - the biggest problem is motherboards sending higher voltages than they need and this definitely varies a lot between boards.

Undervolting helps, but ensuring PBO is set within the correct limits and not unlimited is all that's required to keep the temps controlled. Heck you can just alter the maximum temp in the BIOS directly, at the risk of performance loss on weaker cooling (80c for example, may last longer or be more stable since it's cooler for nearby components like VRM's and RAM)

I had to look up those coolers, if they've all got baseplates like this fortis 3 they're a bad choice for ryzen, since those gaps between the heatpipes can line up over your CPU dies and result in hotspots

direct

 

[AMF]

this is what having a cool room will do

 

[19Romulus84]

@Mussels This is probably the underside of Fery 5. I can assure you that this photo is just a false optical illusion. Although I also have such an interlacing of copper with some kind of steel, it is a surface that must be perfectly smooth and it is. I know what I'm saying because 3 days ago I was just cleaning the heatsink foot from 10 minutes of old paste, it's perfectly even. What you think it looks like, that there are some micro fissures, would have no right to exist. Believe me, this photo is an optical illusion. In games, the max is 84-85 and for a short time, in a normal stress test it is sometimes 77-83 and sometimes higher around 85. The worst thing is when I turn on the extreme mode in OCCT, then it really quickly reaches 90 degrees. For now, I will not do anything with it, these processors already have it, you have to learn to live with it and not worry about it.

 

[freeagent]

My X3D runs nice and cool. I can run it semi passively and still retain full performance.. just a heatsink.