The RX 6000 series Owners' Club

[Blaeza]

Try anything to do with ray tracing. Scores have gone up since latest driver!

 

[Deleted member 185158]

MPT is all you need, Soft Power Play Tables (SPPT) is written to the registry, no need to edit and flash the BIOS.

It doesn't seem to do anything.....

159w draw max, no matter what I change.

 

[Kodehawa]

It doesn't seem to do anything.....

159w draw max, no matter what I change.

Works for me. Did you change both values that read 138A? I think it was both total power and gfx power.

EDIT: Also yes, reboot.

 

[3x0]

159w draw max, no matter what I change.

Did you reboot?

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Did you reboot?

Not yet, let me try!~

 

[damric]

MPT is a little quirky at first, but you'll definitely use it when going for HWBOT cups.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Works for me. Did you change both values that read 138A? I think it was both total power and gfx power.

EDIT: Also yes, reboot.

Did you reboot?

MPT is a little quirky at first, but you'll definitely use it when going for HWBOT cups.

Works fine.

Set 178w and gained 2k in FireStrike total 32280 pts

Thanks fellas!!

 

[Kodehawa]

Works fine.

Set 178w and gained 2k in FireStrike total 32280 pts

Thanks fellas!!

For superposition (and other benchmarks, superposition just has linear scaling) you can start overclocking FCLK on MPT. Remember to reboot after every change.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

For superposition (and other benchmarks, superposition just has linear scaling) you can start overclocking FCLK on MPT. Remember to reboot after every change.

Do you suggest I try this after the wattage increase scales out?

 

[Kodehawa]

Do you suggest I try this after the wattage increase scales out?

I haven't gotten superposition to draw more than 166W yet. I'm sure it's already pretty close.

BTW for Time Spy you should set 200W.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I haven't gotten superposition to draw more than 166W yet. I'm sure it's already pretty close.

BTW for Time Spy you should set 200W.

Just booted 185w.
Gonna do some monitoring.
I'll do time spy real quick

OK here's the results. Hitting 200w with 185w set and restarted.

Sliders maxed.


Also looks like sustained 2700mhz during the benchmark.

I haven't gotten superposition to draw more than 166W yet. I'm sure it's already pretty close.

BTW for Time Spy you should set 200W.

You're right on the money.
Card hits 2725mhz only 168w draw.

Results

 

[3x0]

I'm getting 6200+ on my 6600XT OC, weird how the 6700 is gimped.
Superposition 1080p Extreme

 

[Kodehawa]

I'm getting 6200+ on my 6600XT OC, weird how the 6700 is gimped.
Superposition 1080p Extreme

Seems to just be in Superposition benchmark-wise. And it also makes 0 sense in a way. 200 ish more SP, higher memory bandwidth (specially when OC'd) and we're running at 2800~2730MHz which should match a 6650XT clock.

But nope, it runs worse. God damn worse lmao

Guess it's just drivers optimizations missing.

Even in games it happens sometimes. Like, seriously, it makes no sense. Almost matching clocks here, where did the extra 190 stream processors and memory bandwidth go?

Then you have games which deliver what you'd expect:

The issue is that the 6700 isn't gimped compared to the 6600XT. The opposite, it has higher shader count, higher memory bandwidth, and can overclock to heaven and beyond, but performance still only matches the 6600XT in some scenarios, and it's a full Navi 22 chip instead of a Navi 23, being a cut-down 6700XT (with more Infinity Cache than the 6600XT)

Here's a GPU-Z screenshot of it, since it's hard to find one:

Literally the only explanation I can imagine is driver fuckery.

 

[3x0]

Do you guys have Port Royale to test? I'm getting almost 5500 there

 

[Kodehawa]

Do you guys have Port Royale to test? I'm getting almost 5500 there

Probably @ShrimpBrime has it.

 

[tabascosauz]

Seems to just be in Superposition benchmark-wise. And it also makes 0 sense in a way. 200 ish more SP, higher memory bandwidth (specially when OC'd) and we're running at 2800~2730MHz which should match a 6650XT clock.

But nope, it runs worse. God damn worse lmao

Guess it's just drivers optimizations missing.

Even in games it happens sometimes. Like, seriously, it makes no sense. Almost matching clocks here, where did the extra 190 stream processors and memory bandwidth go?

Then you have games which deliver what you'd expect:


The issue is that the 6700 isn't gimped compared to the 6600XT. The opposite, it has higher SP count, higher memory bandwidth, and can overclock to heaven and beyond, but performance still only matches the 6600XT in some scenarios, and it's a full Navi 22 chip instead of a Navi 23, being a cut-down 6700XT (with more Infinity Cache than the 6600XT)

Literally the only explanation I can imagine is driver fuckery.

Orientation mode so it must be Warzone 1 not MW2. MW19 hasn't received much attention from devs for a while.

I don't think the TPU database is correct, 6700 was a very late release. Only in the latter half of 2022 did they start to appear everywhere. I would be very surprised if either Raven or AMD cared enough to optimize for a single new midrange card popping up in 2022.

 

[Kodehawa]

Orientation mode so it must be Warzone 1 not MW2. MW19 hasn't received much attention from devs for a while.

I don't think the TPU database is correct, 6700 was a very late release. Only in the latter half of 2022 did they start to appear everywhere. I would be very surprised if either Raven or AMD cared enough to optimize for a single new midrange card popping up in 2022.

The new driver had a lot of optimizations overall, but it made the 6700 significantly better on games that performed close to a 6600XT. RDR2 gained a whole 10~12fps on my side compared to before (84fps avg on bench with a mix of ultra and high at 1440p, was 72~75 before).

I agree it's a mix of both. Newer games make it a lot better than the 6600XT, older ones tend to do fuckery.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Do you guys have Port Royale to test? I'm getting almost 5500 there

Yes, I has the Port Royal. That one got 5661 pts.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

OK I DL'ed and Installed MPT (More Powa Tool).

Everything is greyed out.

Does the AMD software need to be installed for this to work? (I'm assuming yes, but thought to ask before I install that garbage)

You need VBIOS mod, just like Navi10, if it still can't make changes.

I don't think the TPU database is correct, 6700 was a very late release. Only in the latter half of 2022 did they start to appear everywhere.

What about RX 6650 XT? When I got my first Navi2 in March, 2022, it was an RX 6600 XT, so I suspected the RX 6650 XT was later than March or February of 2022.

 

[damric]

I suspect 6700 is ROP choked like Vega64 was.

 

[Kodehawa]

I suspect 6700 is ROP choked like Vega64 was.

ROP choked?

 

[3x0]

It has the same number of ROPs (Render Output Pipeline) as 6600XT effectively being a bottleneck in some situations

 

[damric]

ROP choked?

Only 64 ROPs on the 67xx, same as Vega 64, which makes them run into pixel-fill bottleneck for gaming at higher res instead of running into memory bandwidth or pcie lane bottleneck. The 66xx cards also have 64 ROPs, but they are better balanced core configs for gaming. It's like the 67xxs and Vega were designed for compute and not gaming. In the end though, something is always going to be the bottleneck and I think 6700 is a fine card and underrated.

 

[Kodehawa]

Only 64 ROPs on the 67xx, same as Vega 64, which makes them run into pixel-fill bottleneck for gaming at higher res instead of running into memory bandwidth or pcie lane bottleneck. The 66xx cards also have 64 ROPs, but they are better balanced core configs for gaming. It's like the 67xxs and Vega were designed for compute and not gaming.

Ah. Makes sense.

Guess that's why the 6700 (as Nashira Summit) was released as a mining card first.

I wonder if anyone has the original.

 

[damric]

Ah. Makes sense.

Guess that's why the 6700 (as Nashira Summit) was released as a mining card first.

I wonder if anyone has the original.

Yeah exactly. Good for mining eth because it still had the memory bandwidth of the full 6700xt. But I mean pick your poison. As long as you aren't trying to run native 4K it should be a hell of a card and good power draw.