MSI Finally has Radeon RX 7900 Series Products to Show

[btarunr]

MSI was conspicuous in its lack of a Radeon RX 7900 series RDNA3 graphics card when AMD launched these cards on December 13, 2022. The company later came out with a clarification that while it was skipping reference-design made-by-AMD (MBA) graphics cards under its marquee, it would release custom-design RX 7900 series cards in the first half of 2023 with some of the first cards being unveiled at CES. Well, here they are.

The MSI Radeon RX 7900 XTX and RX 7900 XT Gaming Trio Classic gets the latter part of its name from the fact that MSI used the older Tri Frozr 2.0 cooling solution from the previous-generation of graphics cards (RX 6000 series and RTX 30-series), rather than the latest Tri Frozr 3.0 it unveiled with the RTX 40-series. This cooler also gets the slightly older TorX 4.0 fan compared to newer TorX 5.0 fans with the RTX 40-series. This cooler has dealt with 350 W-ish TDP cooling requirements of GPUs such as the RX 6950 XT or the RTX 3090, so we reckon they could suit the RX 7900 series. There's still a brand new custom-design PCB underneath it, which pulls power from a trio of 8-pin PCIe power connectors, and so we could expect a fairly good power-limit for these cards.



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[Garrus]

Do we know if all the random black screen crash issues that plagued the Radeon 5000 and 6000 series are present with Radeon 7000? Happens just in Discord or using Youtube or watching Netflix.

I can't recommended anyone buy any Radeon card at any price when I've had problems with 5/5 Radeon cards purchased in the last 3 years. Sad to see the same issue in my current 6700 XT computer, just like the 5700 XT models.

 

[kapone32]

Do we know if all the random black screen crash issues that plagued the Radeon 5000 and 6000 series are present with Radeon 7000? Happens just in Discord or using Youtube or watching Netflix.

I can't recommended anyone buy any Radeon card at any price when I've had problems with 5/5 Radeon cards purchased in the last 3 years. Sad to see the same issue in my current 6700 XT computer, just like the 5700 XT models.

I can't say I have ever experienced that issue.

 

[Beer4Myself]

Do we know if all the random black screen crash issues that plagued the Radeon 5000 and 6000 series are present with Radeon 7000? Happens just in Discord or using Youtube or watching Netflix.

I can't recommended anyone buy any Radeon card at any price when I've had problems with 5/5 Radeon cards purchased in the last 3 years. Sad to see the same issue in my current 6700 XT computer, just like the 5700 XT models.

when i used my rx6600 the only thing i had were 3 crashes in postal 2, apart from that the card was rock solid. got my 3080 because i got it as a gift when i helped a friend to get a 3090 because 12gb wasnt enough for him for blender

 

[john_]

it would release custom-design RX 7900 series cards in the first half of 2023

I guess they wait for everyone else to sell theirs before they enter the market.

Or (nvidia fun mode) they wait for all problems with 7900 series to get fixed before launching theirs.
Or (AMD fun mode) they got payed from Nvidia to delay their cards for 6 months.
Or (probably) they expect to make much more money from their Nvidia based products, so they prioritize those first, avoiding also any kind of (even tiny) internal competition.

I think I will also put way back in my list MSI, as a candidate for my next AM5 motherboard.

 

[ARF]

I am tired of this failed 7900 series !

Any news about better cards like 7600 series / 7700 series / 7800 series ? Anything that IS NOT terribly overpriced ?

 

[wNotyarD]

So the 4070Ti, which is a less power-hungry card, gets new coolers from MSI while the RX7000 series do not. Uncool, MSI, uncool.

 

[Garrus]

when i used my rx6600 the only thing i had were 3 crashes in postal 2, apart from that the card was rock solid. got my 3080 because i got it as a gift when i helped a friend to get a 3090 because 12gb wasnt enough for him for blender

It could be specifically the problems are with the programs I install, but it always happens.

I use MSI Afterburner, Discord, Microsoft Edge and youtube plus the Netflix app. That's it.

Oh well another $400 Radeon card ready for the garbage bin. I never have a single issue with NVidia cards like that. I've had a failed card I could RMA with nvidia, 2 x RTX 3070 so far, but with AMD it isn't even really broken, the drivers are broken. RAM doesn't fix it. I took video of the problem (it was so easy to replicate with the 4 RX 5700 XT I bought for clients, just open Netflix and watch a movie and wait for the crash) and submitted the issue to AMD.

I had zero problems with Radeon 6700 XT until recently. Can confirm the problem is back in January 2023.

 

[Fluffmeister]

MSI played a blinder avoiding the MBA cards.

 

[medi01]

I can't recommended

Bunch of AMD laptops at home.

The only problematic one is the one with nVidia 3050 in it, by Asus.
Browsing reddit can dead freeze and go figure why.

I can't recommend overpriced nVidia garbage to any user. By paying it, you encourage filthy business practices that make this world a worse place.

 

[Garrus]

Bunch of AMD laptops at home.

The only problematic one is the one with nVidia 3050 in it, by Asus.
Browsing reddit can dead freeze and go figure why.

I can't recommend overprice nVidia garbage to any user. By paying it, you encourage filthy business practices that make this world a worse place.

i've only had problems with desktops, not laptops

 

[Yraggul666]

Oooh so that's how it goes; nGreedia gets the latest and greatest and AMD gets prev gen, huh MSI?
Just as John said: you're way down on my list for the next mobo.
Oh and i wanted to buy your M.2 SSDs, the Spatium bla bla, was thinking about 3x2TB upgrade with MSI Spatium but HELL->NO!

 

[kapone32]

It could be specifically the problems are with the programs I install, but it always happens.

I use MSI Afterburner, Discord, Microsoft Edge and youtube plus the Netflix app. That's it.

Oh well another $400 Radeon card ready for the garbage bin. I never have a single issue with NVidia cards like that. I've had a failed card I could RMA with nvidia, 2 x RTX 3070 so far, but with AMD it isn't even really broken, the drivers are broken. RAM doesn't fix it. I took video of the problem (it was so easy to replicate with the 4 RX 5700 XT I bought for clients, just open Netflix and watch a movie and wait for the crash) and submitted the issue to AMD.

I had zero problems with Radeon 6700 XT until recently. Can confirm the problem is back in January 2023.

Why do you use Afterburner? You do know that program was hacked? but AMD software does everything afterburner does and more.

 

[Enzarch]

Do we know if all the random black screen crash issues that plagued the Radeon 5000 and 6000 series are present with Radeon 7000? Happens just in Discord or using Youtube or watching Netflix.

I can't recommended anyone buy any Radeon card at any price when I've had problems with 5/5 Radeon cards purchased in the last 3 years. Sad to see the same issue in my current 6700 XT computer, just like the 5700 XT models.

You may want to try disabling Multiplane Overlay, This is a fairly well known issue effecting some setups/apps and is a Windows issue, not AMD or nVidia's

Black screens were only common on 5700 due to hardware bug, and was worked around with drivers.

 

[prtskg]

Do we know if all the random black screen crash issues that plagued the Radeon 5000 and 6000 series are present with Radeon 7000? Happens just in Discord or using Youtube or watching Netflix.

I can't recommended anyone buy any Radeon card at any price when I've had problems with 5/5 Radeon cards purchased in the last 3 years. Sad to see the same issue in my current 6700 XT computer, just like the 5700 XT models.

A year or so ago I had problem with discord. It got remedied with clean install of new driver.

 

[Lew Zealand]

FYI Afterburner would easily cause the infamous black screen issues with my 5600XT, which I tried because I'd been using AB with my Nvidia GPUs previously. Stop using Afterbuner: no more black screens. Easy.

So I use AMD's Adrenaline CP to do the same thing. That was a few years ago and frankly I don't remember if I tried Afterburner much for my 6600XT, but did for my 6800XT for a bit and no black screens, so that's good. Maybe AMD or MSI fixed the AB/Black screen issue or it just doesn't happen on 6xxx cards. Whatever, I stopped using AB for the 6800XT as I couldn't control the undervolt properly there and it's easier to manage all the controls I like in a single screen in Adrenaline.

Afterburner is still great for Nvidia cards though, I love it for that.

Here's my nitpick for AMD's Adrenaline SW: they can't effing get the fan speed settings accurate. WTF, this is not rocket surgery, it's a goddam number from 0-100. Maybe AMD hates metric?? Anyway you just need to find what imaginary number Adrenaline thinks your fan's desired speed should be and then set it. Maybe take a screencap in case it resets or you do a clean reinstall. Spend 10 minutes with your new card setting the fan curve and you're done. But it's stupid as AB gets the fan speeds exactly right.

 

[Garrus]

FYI Afterburner would easily cause the infamous black screen issues with my 5600XT, which I tried because I'd been using AB with my Nvidia GPUs previously. Stop using Afterbuner: no more black screens. Easy.

So I use AMD's Adrenaline CP to do the same thing. That was a few years ago and frankly I don't remember if I tried Afterburner much for my 6600XT, but did for my 6800XT for a bit and no black screens, so that's good. Maybe AMD or MSI fixed the AB/Black screen issue or it just doesn't happen on 6xxx cards. Whatever, I stopped using AB for the 6800XT as I couldn't control the undervolt properly there and it's easier to manage all the controls I like in a single screen in Adrenaline.

Afterburner is still great for Nvidia cards though, I love it for that.

Here's my nitpick for AMD's Adrenaline SW: they can't effing get the fan speed settings accurate. WTF, this is not rocket surgery, it's a goddam number from 0-100. Maybe AMD hates metric?? Anyway you just need to find what imaginary number Adrenaline thinks your fan's desired speed should be and then set it. Maybe take a screencap in case it resets or you do a clean reinstall. Spend 10 minutes with your new card setting the fan curve and you're done. But it's stupid as AB gets the fan speeds exactly right.

the problem is I use discord and afterburner, they have zero problems with nvidia, why bother with amd GPUs then

also I believe I tested and the problems can still happen without those applications, like in youtube or the netflix app, the point is why bother figuring it out? buy nvidia and voila

if AMD can't get their stuff to work with our applications, i don't need the hassle

AMD CPU good, Radeon is bad, has been for a while

at least the two RTX 3070 I had break were fixed under warranty, the radeon cards don't work and replacement won't fix it

You may want to try disabling Multiplane Overlay, This is a fairly well known issue effecting some setups/apps and is a Windows issue, not AMD or nVidia's

Black screens were only common on 5700 due to hardware bug, and was worked around with drivers.

these aren't black screen flickers, this is a common bug I've been sending bug reports to AMD about for 3 years

it goes black, audio continues, then hard crash, then reset (seems to happen a lot while using netflix, youtube, or discord, could be hardware acceleration issue, gaming much less of an issue)

they fixed it for a while with new drivers, and it came back, hence I'm so annoyed with my 6700 xt right now, it was working fine, and I put it in a new computer last week, and voila, same old issues again

good riddance, can I even ethically sell my AMD card to anyone? it isn't "broken"...

if you sell a DIY computer to someone with a Radeon card, you get in a bad situation if you can't get it to work properly, also not worth the hassle

it's depressing, I want to use Radeon cards, believe me, after the crap that nVidia pulls

You may want to try disabling Multiplane Overlay, This is a fairly well known issue effecting some setups/apps and is a Windows issue, not AMD or nVidia's

Black screens were only common on 5700 due to hardware bug, and was worked around with drivers.

I will try disabling that multiplane overlay, interesting idea

Why do you use Afterburner? You do know that program was hacked? but AMD software does everything afterburner does and more.

it's a complicated thing, but you can see every youtuber uses afterburner for the superior overlay, if it is genuinely the problem (doesn't seem to be, AMD just seems to not work with some fundamental driver bug around hardware accelerated media, not sure what the problem is), AMD needs to fix it, it isn't just MSI's responsibility

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i think my point is partly that normally I can figure out what is wrong, the random black screen total crashes seem to come from multiple directions, AMD can't seem to fix it, it is a serious flaw that makes the entire product line worthless imo

i can't figure it out, they can't figure it out, well only solution is to avoid the product

THERE ARE A TON OF PEOPLE POSTING ABOUT THIS ISSUE online, not just me...

 

[Enzarch]

@Garrus
For sake of completeness; if you are using AIDA64; STOP, it has a major bug when polling AMD driver and cause serious problems even corrupting the driver. If you need to use AIDA make sure to disable GPU sensors (preferences > stability)

This has been an issue for a couple years, and Finalwire has been unwilling/unable to solve it. (im putting the blame on AIDA since other apps dont have this issue, such as HWINFO)

If this is the case, make sure to do a clean driver install after disabling/removing AIDA since it can corrupt driver.

 

[Garrus]

@Garrus
For sake of completeness; if you are using AIDA64; STOP, it has a major bug when polling AMD driver and cause serious problems even corrupting the driver. If you need to use AIDA make sure to disable GPU sensors (preferences > stability)

This has been an issue for a couple years, and Finalwire has been unwilling/unable to solve it. (im putting the blame on AIDA since other apps dont have this issue, such as HWINFO)

If this is the case, make sure to do a clean driver install after disabling/removing AIDA since it can corrupt driver.

Thanks for your suggestion. Sorry if I seemed a bit upset. My perfect workstation suddenly randomly crashing is a pain. I tested swapping out for an old GTX 970 and all the problems disappeared so I know it is GPU related. It is the Radeon card that is causing the problem. But not sure which piece of software it is, if any, that isn't working with AMD's drivers.

I'm going to do ONE piece of software at a time from a fresh install and see what happens. Right now nothing but Discord and Edge. Will see after a few days if it is still crashing just with Discord installed. If I can't use Edge at all because of hardware accelerated GPU, then, yeah, I'm definitely giving up on Radeon again.

Just goes to show why Intel has no hope in the GPU market. Bugs and crashes are the worst. The one thing you don't want to deal with.

 

[Cheeseball]

Thanks for your suggestion. Sorry if I seemed a bit upset. My perfect workstation suddenly randomly crashing is a pain. I tested swapping out for an old GTX 970 and all the problems disappeared so I know it is GPU related. It is the Radeon card that is causing the problem. But not sure which piece of software it is, if any, that isn't working with AMD's drivers.

I'm going to do ONE piece of software at a time from a fresh install and see what happens. Right now nothing but Discord and Edge. Will see after a few days if it is still crashing just with Discord installed. If I can't use Edge at all because of hardware accelerated GPU, then, yeah, I'm definitely giving up on Radeon again.

Just goes to show why Intel has no hope in the GPU market. Bugs and crashes are the worst. The one thing you don't want to deal with.

Also try installing just the AMD driver without Radeon Software (unless you need some specific settings to configure). In some cases this made my G15 Advantage (5980HX/6800M) stable. On desktop, I disable everything in the Radeon Software (especially Radeon Chill and Enhanced Sync since they seem useless).

Regarding Intel, Arc drivers 101.4032 (and the previous Dec. 3 drivers) have been stable on my other computer (Arc A770). If anything their GPU drivers have been getting way better with each release.

 

[Enzarch]

Thanks for your suggestion. Sorry if I seemed a bit upset. My perfect workstation suddenly randomly crashing is a pain. I tested swapping out for an old GTX 970 and all the problems disappeared so I know it is GPU related. It is the Radeon card that is causing the problem. But not sure which piece of software it is, if any, that isn't working with AMD's drivers.

I'm going to do ONE piece of software at a time from a fresh install and see what happens. Right now nothing but Discord and Edge. Will see after a few days if it is still crashing just with Discord installed. If I can't use Edge at all because of hardware accelerated GPU, then, yeah, I'm definitely giving up on Radeon again.

Just goes to show why Intel has no hope in the GPU market. Bugs and crashes are the worst. The one thing you don't want to deal with.

No worries, errant PC issues can be infuriating, I am sure everyone here has been there.
That said, assuming an issue's source only leads to inadequate troubleshooting (when software issue)

If the issue crops up due to acceleration on an app, I am betting disabling MPO will solve that (or, of course, just disabling GPU accel in that particular app)
And since you are swapping vendors hardware, please make sure you are thoroughly cleaning out old drivers (DDU in safe mode preferably) Driver leftovers can cause all sorts of havok.

For these difficult to diagnose issues, if possible, I like to have a spare SSD lying around that I can do a fresh Windows install on so I can test without wiping my main OS install, and start as minimal as possible (even disconnect unneeded hardware)

Not to dismiss your issues at all; I can assure you there is a silent majority that uses the same or similar hardware/software without issue.
And anecdotally from personal experience since ~1999 and as a system builder for friends and family etc, I have not seen any vendor have overall any more or fewer issues than the other at least in the last decade. (although, yes, AMD does generally take a bit longer, though thats been changing)

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Why do you use Afterburner? You do know that program was hacked?

Uh oh!

 

[kapone32]

Uh oh!

A crazy hack that mined on your PC if if it was idle for 30 minutes too.

 

[B_Bang]

Do we know if all the random black screen crash issues that plagued the Radeon 5000 and 6000 series are present with Radeon 7000? Happens just in Discord or using Youtube or watching Netflix.

I can't recommended anyone buy any Radeon card at any price when I've had problems with 5/5 Radeon cards purchased in the last 3 years. Sad to see the same issue in my current 6700 XT computer, just like the 5700 XT models.

I've had RX570, RX580, RX5700XT (still have and use in htpc) 6700xt (using in main gaming rig) 6600 (in use in family rig) Only had the problem you referred to once. A quick google and turn off a (superfluos) setting or two in the radeon software and haven't had it since. Maybe if you googled as much as you complained you would have found a solution in minutes like I did!

Do we know if all the random black screen crash issues that plagued the Radeon 5000 and 6000 series are present with Radeon 7000? Happens just in Discord or using Youtube or watching Netflix.

I can't recommended anyone buy any Radeon card at any price when I've had problems with 5/5 Radeon cards purchased in the last 3 years. Sad to see the same issue in my current 6700 XT computer, just like the 5700 XT models.

I think I turned off enhanced sync or one of the setting on that same page that are useless anyway. Then never had a Black screen on an AMD card again.. I've had and still own (5700xt.6600,6700xt)a number of their cards. Zero issues after changing that one setting.

 

[percy4209]

Do we know if all the random black screen crash issues that plagued the Radeon 5000 and 6000 series are present with Radeon 7000? Happens just in Discord or using Youtube or watching Netflix.

I can't recommended anyone buy any Radeon card at any price when I've had problems with 5/5 Radeon cards purchased in the last 3 years. Sad to see the same issue in my current 6700 XT computer, just like the 5700 XT models.

I have owned several Radeon 6000 models (ASRock OC Forumula 6950XT, Power Color Red Devil Ultimate 6900 XT, ASRock Challenger ITX 6600 XT, MSI Armor 6600 non-XT<-- garbage do not buy this one, Gigabyte Eagle / XFX Speedster Qick 6600 non-XT models, Gigabyte Eagle / MSI Mech 6700 XT models) and both the 5700 XT / 5600 XT (Sapphire Pulse Models on both) and have not experienced the issue you are talking about. I still have my Challenger 6600 XT as well as all of my 6600 non-XT models and I am trying to reproduce your "issue" and I cannot..Can you give any more information on this? I have had 0 issues with any of my AMD GPUs listed above outside of the Armor overheating which is a MSI problem, not an AMD problem....I currently run a Suprim X 3090 TI in my main rig and a suprim x 3080 in my ITX travel PC (aesthetic choices only) but I still have a super slim tiny ITX with the challenger 6600 itx, the MSI Armor 6600 (again this is absolutely a shit GPU poor, awful, design with an old ass cooler from Polaris RX 470/480/570/580 days just repurposed and slapped on a 6600 PCB which it does not fit and does not even cover the VRAM with the heatsink so the memory will overheat under extreme gaming conditions which is just shitty..and I say this as a full on MSI fanboy....msi is making it very difficult to keep saying this) is in my homelab DLNA server / private personal cloud / NAS machine and even this POS overheating GPU doesn't have the issue you're speaking about...so I'd love to see you expand on these claims/issues..maybe with more information I can reproduce this issue on one of my machines with an AMD GPU....

Afterburner wasn't "hacked" or compromised in anyway. Some clever folks copied the Afterburner landing page exactly to create their own phishing website that appeared to look exactly like the Afterburner site and somehow got their non-legitimate, non-MSI website pushed up to the very top of google search when googling Afterburner or MSI Afterburner. Probably using SEO tricks or some type of SEO manipulation. The Afterburner software downloaded from this site contained a compromised version with the Malware/Miner, but if you only ever downloaded Afterburner from the legitimate MSI Landing page, you and your afterburner are just fine.