NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Founders Edition

[Why_Me]

What you're missing is that over 2-1/2 years later, those improvements are pretty thin.

The 4070 is a good card, all the current Gen cards are and almost all previous Gen cards were. The problem here is pricing.

The $600 4070 12GB was released three years after the $700 3080 10GB was released.

 

[Luke357]

$100 less, two more GB of VRAM, far more efficient, DLSS3 (if you're into that). What am I missing here?

Over 2 years later and minimal improvement sound good to you?

 

[Why_Me]

Over 2 years later and minimal improvement sound good to you?

That's what the $800 4070 Ti is for.

 

[SL2]

I don't have much to say about price, lower would be nicer but whatever.

Memory tho.. it's the same amount as the 3060 with its launch price of $330 two years ago. Artificially bottlenecked. Everything else looks great.

Hard pass.

Just don't buy it, make em come back with a 16 GB version and we'll talk. Don't be shortsighted and give in.

 

[Sake]

You want RT performance: nVidia
You want DLSS2/3: nVidia
You want nvenc: nVidia
You want CUDA for ANYTHING OUT THERE apart from gaming: nVidia
etc. etc.

And you have AMD to price their gpus competitively to nVidia? On what ground?
Anyway, the 6000 cards do not exist for me. The whole package is problematic.
The 7000 are good but very badly priced. I would purchase one if they were cheaper.

You can buy two 6800xt with the same amount of money

 

[Camm]

The only reason we are arguing is a 192 bit card was a x060 class card before Nvidia pulled shenanigans by pushing a 192 bit class card into the x070 bracket.

The 4070 (and Ti) is fantastic from a power consumption perspective, but between being priced high and being low on VRAM (if the 3070 is anything to go by anyway), its an awful buy.

In Australia, the 4070 Ti has been creeping down in price, and because of that fantastic power usage, you should be encouraged to pick up the cheaper options rather than the hulking AIB's, as you just don't need that much to get good performance. Want even better power performance? The 4070 Ti even responds pretty well to dropping power limits without losing much.

Anyway, we all know AMD is a much more compelling option both used (6800/6900) or new (7800) in current pricing. Either buy that, or take your Nvidiaing with a pinch of lube and move on.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You can buy two 6800xt with the same amount of money

Yeah, some countries get shafted hard on Nvidia pricing others it's AMD that cost way too much.

Here in the states the 6800XT at around 530-580 new isn't worth buying over it due to the much higher power draw and AMD not sure when they want to support the 6000 series with drivers.

The 6950XT is mildly interesting in the low 600 usd range vs this but I still think I would also skip that due to the power draw the extra 4GB though is nice and I wouldn't fault anyone for going with one over this.

The only reason we are arguing is a 192 bit card was a x060 class card before Nvidia pulled shenanigans by pushing a 192 bit class card into the x070 bracket.

The 4070 (and Ti) is fantastic from a power consumption perspective, but between being priced high and being low on VRAM (if the 3070 is anything to go by anyway), its an awful buy.

In Australia, the 4070 Ti has been creeping down in price, and because of that fantastic power usage, you should be encouraged to pick up the cheaper options rather than the hulking AIB's, as you just don't need that much to get good performance. Want even better power performance? The 4070 Ti even responds pretty well to dropping power limits without losing much.

Anyway, we all know AMD is a much more compelling option both used (6800/6900) or new (7800) in current pricing. Either buy that, or take your Nvidiaing with a pinch of lube and move on.

Who knows what AMD will charge for the 7800/7800XT they already tried to comically overpriced the 7900XT that really only decent feature was 20GB of vram hopefully with the price crashing kinda hard on both it and the 7900XTX they've learned that just offering slightly more raster performance and more vram doesn't make their cards more appealing vs the Nvidia alternatives.

They are probably looking at this saying we will just price our competitor at $650 and give it 16GB of vram and after nobody buys it it'll drop to $550 like it should have been all along.

 

[Outback Bronze]

Huh? I've retested every single card in this review in January on the newest drivers

Must be hard being a reviewer these days W1z..

 

[W1zzard]

Must be hard being a reviewer these days W1z..

I love what I do, but yes, I'm doing 10 RTX 4070 reviews for this launch, more than any human has ever done in the history of hardware reviews

 

[Chrispy_]

Here in the states the 6800XT at around 530-580 new isn't worth buying over it due to the much higher power draw and AMD not sure when they want to support the 6000 series with drivers.

I've said it before in other threads and in other news posts, so I'll say it again here.
If you're buying 2-year old hardware brand new at full asking price, you're doing it wrong. There plenty of used 6800XT cards from $350-450 depending on whether you want to gamble, or get a refurb with warranty.

Ampere and RNDA2 are too old at this point to bother buying new; Ampere lacks the VRAM to make it's warranty or longevity worth anything. RDNA2 lacks the features and RT performance to compete with current-gen hardware on price. Pick them up used, dirt-cheap.

 

[Vya Domus]

I bet the original plan was to have the 12GB "4080" at 900$ and the 4070 at 700$ which would have seemed like an "amazing value".

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I've said it before in other threads and in other news posts, so I'll say it again here.
If you're buying 2-year old hardware brand new at full asking price, you're doing it wrong. There plenty of used 6800XT cards from $350-450 depending on whether you want to gamble, or get a refurb with warranty.

Ampere and RNDA2 are too old at this point to bother buying new; Ampere lacks the VRAM to make it's warranty or longevity worth anything. RDNA2 lacks the features and RT performance to compete with current-gen hardware on price. Pick them up used, dirt-cheap.

I wouldn't buy a used card regardless of how cheap it was so for me that market is out but for anyone who is ok with used cards sure. Even if I was ok with used I would rather spend 530 ish vs 400 ish and get 3 years worth of warranty but to each their own. I don't buy refurbished tech but if someone is ok gambling on that good for them if they can extend the warranty to at least 2 years even better.

The fact that they are so old but this barely offers anything decent over them is sad....

Don't get me wrong if all I had was 600 plus tax in my pocket for a gpu I'd probably still go with this over any similarly priced alternatives at the same time I would have to really need a new gpu like my 1070 just died or something speaking figuratively and still wouldn't feel all that great about my purchase.

 

[chrcoluk]

Footnote says its faster than 3080, but at 4k 3080 is 105% relative performance.

Not excited by this, its main advantage in terms of generational progression is the extra 2 gigs of VRAM over the similar priced 10 gig 3080.

For as long as DLSS3 requires game dev support its not a card seller for me, I have yet to play a game that supports RT/DLSS at all.

 

[Sithaer]

I wouldn't buy a used card regardless of how cheap it was so for me that market is out but for anyone who is ok with used cards sure. Even if I was ok with used I would rather spend 530 ish vs 400 ish and get 3 years worth of warranty but to each their own. I don't buy refurbished tech but if someone is ok gambling on that good for them if they can extend the warranty to at least 2 years even better.

The fact that they are so old but this barely offers anything decent over them is sad....

Don't get me wrong if all I had was 600 plus tax in my pocket for a gpu I'd probably still go with this over any similarly priced alternatives at the same time I would have to really need a new gpu like my 1070 just died or something speaking figuratively and still wouldn't feel all that great about my purchase.

That depends on where you live, for me the brand new market does not exist when I'm buying a GPU since the GTX 950 days. 'that was my last brand new GPU'
Luckily we have a solid second hand market forum/site in my country so its not hard to find decent and trusable sellers and the cards usually come with some warranty on them.

For example a brand new 6800 XT is about ~750$ and a second hand is ~570.
In a country like mine that is a significant difference and worth the 'risk' so to say.

So far I had no issues with my second hand hardware nor did my bro and his entire PC was built from second hand hardware years ago.

As for the 4070, not in my budget range but the power draw/efficiency is pretty good.
Draws about the same as my 3060 Ti and is quite much stronger so thats at least nice.

 

[tvshacker]

If you're buying 2-year old hardware brand new at full asking price, you're doing it wrong. There plenty of used 6800XT cards from $350-450 depending on whether you want to gamble, or get a refurb with warranty.

Ampere and RNDA2 are too old at this point to bother buying new; Ampere lacks the VRAM to make it's warranty or longevity worth anything. RDNA2 lacks the features and RT performance to compete with current-gen hardware on price. Pick them up used, dirt-cheap.

To me it depends on what navi 32 and 33 bring to the table, besides improved perf/w. We are yet to see how RT performance will scale on those chips.
Price/performance has stagnated on the offers from both companies (Nvidia never officially lowered MSRP for their 30 series so it seems there is a slim improvement on the 40 series).
Lets say a 7600XT/7700/7700XT matches the performance of the 6800/6800XT but has less vram, any guess how much it'll cost? Going by recent events I wouldn't be surprised if it's >500€.
A new card has 3 year warranty (due to some law from 2022 I believe), so if a RX6800 drops to ~450€ do you still think it's a bad deal and used is the way to go?
Where I live I've seen the 6800 at 520€, I can currently find 2/3 6800XT versions for less than 650€ and going by the 4070ti costing >900€, the vanilla 4070 will probably be >700€.
I've also seen the RX6700 at ~330€ undercutting most RX6600XTs and RX6650XTs, so even though it's wishful thinking I wouldn't be totally surprised if they managed to discount the 6800 below the 6750xt.

 

[Lew Zealand]

The $600 4070 12GB was released three years after the $700 3080 10GB was released.

Yeeeeees.

That's what I said.

You do understand that is a very unimpressive improvement over 2.5 years later. Same FPS, li'l cheaper, bit more VRAM. Woo.

Or did you have some other point?

 

[terroralpha]

you guys shut it! daddy huang needs a new leather jacket so you better fork over that $600 for your rebadged 4060 like you're told.

 

[Fourstaff]

I think Nvidia nailed the pricing with this one at consumer's expense. More expensive than expected, weaker than expected but not much competition around that price. This product is priced to milk margins, not to generate positive hype.

 

[N3M3515]

You're not in 2018 anymore, let alone 2010. Costs have gone up. $600 is the new $300.

Yeah, from 2.5 years ago, $100 increase maybe is not bad, but it's no just that, the PERFORMANCE also is lacking.
Let's not go too far, 3070 was 50% faster than 2070 for THE SAME price
2023 - 4070 30% faster than 3070 for 20% MORE money.

This is incredibly simple.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I bet the original plan was to have the 12GB "4080" at 900$ and the 4070 at 700$ which would have seemed like an "amazing value".

Like the original plan went away, FE edition's are vanishing as will MSRP cards in short order, , OR Nvidia's OEMS will be disappeared due to going out of business /partnership, I sincerely hope Nvidia starts throwing more of its own partners a bone, not likely.

Both are not great value imho.

 

[N3M3515]

The 5080 will be a value king again....

Not at the same $1200, no way in hell. Not even at $1000. The increase was so brutal that even at $1000 it's a ripoff.

 

[freeagent]

Everyone should just quit buying GPUs for a few months, and watch the prices tumble.. but right now consumers are just fueling the fire

 

[rv8000]

Yeah, some countries get shafted hard on Nvidia pricing others it's AMD that cost way too much.

Here in the states the 6800XT at around 530-580 new isn't worth buying over it due to the much higher power draw and AMD not sure when they want to support the 6000 series with drivers.

The 6950XT is mildly interesting in the low 600 usd range vs this but I still think I would also skip that due to the power draw the extra 4GB though is nice and I wouldn't fault anyone for going with one over this.



Who knows what AMD will charge for the 7800/7800XT they already tried to comically overpriced the 7900XT that really only decent feature was 20GB of vram hopefully with the price crashing kinda hard on both it and the 7900XTX they've learned that just offering slightly more raster performance and more vram doesn't make their cards more appealing vs the Nvidia alternatives.

They are probably looking at this saying we will just price our competitor at $650 and give it 16GB of vram and after nobody buys it it'll drop to $550 like it should have been all along.

Not picking on you personally, I hate when people use the power cop out argument.

Say the 4080 vs the 7900 XTX, gaming 3 hours per day in the US with ~100w power difference in favor of the 4080. In a year the price difference for power exclusively is ~ $10.95. With the average price of a 4080 being significantly higher $50-$100+, at minimum it takes 5 years to even break even which is longer than the actual life cycle of the card.

People need to stop with the power cost nonsense. If you’re worried about a $10 difference in your power bill due to your PC you have no business buying any GPU if it’s a question of affordability. Don’t buy a coffee from Starbucks every week if you’re worried about saving money.

 

[Beelzeboss]

"I know the cost of everything went up by 50% and our wages went up from 2018 but everything should cost the same it did 10 years ago!"

I was earning $1200 per month in 2018, Im earning $300 per month now with a way better job.

**cries in Argentina**

 

[Lycanwolfen]

Hmmm so to get the same power my twin 1070ti's in SLI I need a 4090 to run 4k over 100 fps for all games