Intel Core i9-13900KS

[Dr. Dro]

If you configure the power limit down are you not loosing performance, also is it safe to run at 115 degrees? I'm not currently using intel so haven't payed much attention.

What temperature do the 13900ks run at full load on a NH-D15?

The KS isn't different from any other CPU. A D15 can generally handle 250 to 300W of heat with adequate airflow, it's the same case with 360 and 420mm AIOs, the latter (such as Arctic's Liquid Freezer II 420) enjoying a relative performance advantage. It seems very high but it's not too different from a Ryzen Threadripper processor. The surface area is very large, so heat transfer is quite efficient.

 

[Chrispy_]

How is the 3d the clear winner by a wide margin? It's insanely expensive, and performance is hit and miss. Check TLOU for example, it barely ties my now outdated STOCK 12900k. Sure it uses 20 watts less, but so would a 13600k probably.

I feel like at this point you're trolling me for fun.
You are trolling, right? I just linked these from this review.



7800X3D is the best gaming CPU, as declared by most review sites and channels around the web, globally. The 13900KS is approaching twice the price of it.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I feel like at this point you're trolling me for fun.
You are trolling, right? I just linked these from this review.

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7800X3D is the best gaming CPU, as declared by most review sites and channels around the web, globally. It's also cheaper than a 13900KS.

Pointless arguing over this, both chips perform stellar and trade blows, few games one design wins, few games the other wins, mid-range being 1:1 or even slightly faster at games dates back to the days of the i5-2500K, said 7800X3D also runs slightly ahead of the mighty 7950X3D in vidya.

When you've gotta put the pedal to the metal though... That's why things like the Intel KS and AMD 50X series CPUs exist.

From a guy who's had to have Job's legendary patience to get a 13900KS, I'd point mostly everyone towards a 7800X3D, if not the 5800X3D instead. But that's with practicality in mind.

 

[Chrispy_]

Pointless arguing over this, both chips perform stellar and trade blows, few games one design wins, few games the other wins, mid-range being 1:1 or even slightly faster at games dates back to the days of the i5-2500K, said 7800X3D also runs slightly ahead of the mighty 7950X3D in vidya.

When you've gotta put the pedal to the metal though... That's why things like the Intel KS and AMD 50X series CPUs exist.

From a guy who's had to have Job's legendary patience to get a 13900KS, I'd point mostly everyone towards a 7800X3D, if not the 5800X3D instead. But that's with practicality in mind.

Aye, damn happy with my 5800X3D. I bought two but had to swap the workstation to a 5950X for the current project.
Currently validating 7950X platforms at work, but I'm not convinced they're worth migrating to yet, we'll likely skip them as we did 1st-gen Ryzen. Alder-Lake nearly made the cut, but pricing on AM4 killed it.
If I was building a single-system for mixed-use at home, I'd be torn between a 13700K and 7800X3D right now, they're both amazing at different things.

 

[Drash]

I don't want to get drawn into a point by point discussion/rebuttalfest - I hate typing, but this review solidifies my unease about the current AMD/Intel situation. Both have great points, both have great weaknesses - it has never been less one-sided for many years, but both sides seem to be going OTT to try and prove some kind of supremacy, with this KS reaching a new zenith of WTF. For me, it seems this renewed competition has thrown up the unexpected scenario of "I don't like the weakness of both sides rather than I like strengths of X over Y". Again, for me, that's unusual, causing a lot of naval gazing and more weighing up of pros and cons. It might not be real, but given inflation etc. I am spending more time swinging to and fro.

What this review does show is this KS is not for me. I wonder who it is for, but that's a different question that I'm less interested in. The point is I now know that because we have review data, not guesses. So review good/worthwhile even if product is bizarre.

Still don't know which way to go though.

I game quite a lot, but I also tinker (audio/video/data/code/maybe AI) so I feel throwing all my eggs in one basket is maybe not best, maybe it is, I'm undecided, hence my interest in reviews. For (my) real work, with someone else paying, this class of processors is just not good enough (need fast workstation with custom software and GB++++ RAM), plus I now retired so I'm not so interested in that avenue, but...

It seems my new hobby is not actual gaming but mentally optimising gaming builds

 

[Tek-Check]

Yes, just like rocket lake just improved the power sucking while removed 2 cores from 10900k, just like 12900ks completely new architecture on their new shiny node keep the power consumption and just like their new improvement just improved the power sucking again. Do you seriously believe in what you said?

I do believe they will do their best to be as competitive as possible, considereing the fact that Zen5 products seem to look to be a killer next year, especially Strix Point and Fire Range SKUs.
Majority of package in Meteor Lake mobility (tGPU, SoC and I/O) is produced by TSMC anyway, apart from the compute die and base die. Arrow Lake will improve on that. Those two families will have all tiles produced with extensive EUV layers and with improved power-to-performance ratio. They know they need to compete both with Apple and AMD in laptops space in order to retain market share. They will even produce some products on ARM soon.

TSMC (Not Intel) Makes the Vast Majority of Logic Tiles on Intel "Meteor Lake" MCM

Intel's next-generation "Meteor Lake" processor is the first mass-production client processor to embody the company's IDM 2.0 manufacturing strategy—one of building processors with multiple logic tiles interconnected with Foveros and a base-tile (essentially an interposer). Each tile is built on...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[JustBenching]

Based on what, HWInfo sensors? You know they're measuring different things and aren't comparable right?
As for total system draw at light loads, I'd guess it's closer to 60W for your Intel and 100W from your 3700X (from the wall, using a Kill-a-Watt meter)

And that isn't a huge difference?

I feel like at this point you're trolling me for fun.
You are trolling, right? I just linked these from this review.

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7800X3D is the best gaming CPU, as declared by most review sites and channels around the web, globally. The 13900KS is approaching twice the price of it.

And yet in the recent TLOU game it barely ties a stock 12900k

 

[Drash]

...
If I was building a single-system for mixed-use at home, I'd be torn between a 13700K and 7800X3D right now, they're both amazing at different things.

Essentially what I'm thinking, except I'm now looking at it in reverse; that is "I'm torn between 13700K and 7800X3D and they're both bad at different things" . Don't know when that happened.

edit: I bolloxed the quotes up

 

[R0H1T]

They know they need to compete both with Apple and AMD in laptops space in order to retain market share.

It's actually Intel+AMD that are competing against Apple in the laptop/mac mini/pro space. Apple probably has more profits from the sale of Mx chips, obviously including the costs of the entire product, than these two combined!

 

[Chrispy_]

Essentially what I'm thinking, except I'm now looking at it in reverse; that is "I'm torn between 13700K and 7800X3D and they're both bad at different things" . Don't know when that happened.

edit: I bolloxed the quotes up

7800X3D for gaming.
7950X for most compute/render/non-gaming workloads
13th Gen i7 for general-purpose.

Plenty of reviews and articles have shown there's very little point to pushing any of the AM5/S1700 CPUs beyond about 200W, beyond bragging rights. And if you're the sort of person who brags about a wasteful, pointless, inefficient benchmark score, then I'm not interesting in joining the discussion. This KS is aimed at those people, and I'm fine with that.

 

[Drash]

7800X3D for gaming.
7950X for most compute/render/non-gaming workloads
13th Gen i7 for general-purpose.

Plenty of reviews and articles have shown there's very little point to pushing any of the AM5/S1700 CPUs beyond about 200W, beyond bragging rights. And if you're the sort of person who brags about a wasteful, pointless, inefficient benchmark score, then I'm not interesting in joining the discussion. This KS is aimed at those people, and I'm fine with that.

So very true. I'm just a bit disappointed there is no 7900X3D included for completeness' sake, if for nothing else. I'd like to know how it compares, rather than guess/infer.

I do have some commercial experience where the KS might be jumped upon, but very edge case, and then who would they sell the other 99.xx% of the production run to?

 

[Redwoodz]

I don't want to get drawn into a point by point discussion/rebuttalfest - I hate typing, but this review solidifies my unease about the current AMD/Intel situation. Both have great points, both have great weaknesses - it has never been less one-sided for many years, but both sides seem to be going OTT to try and prove some kind of supremacy, with this KS reaching a new zenith of WTF. For me, it seems this renewed competition has thrown up the unexpected scenario of "I don't like the weakness of both sides rather than I like strengths of X over Y". Again, for me, that's unusual, causing a lot of naval gazing and more weighing up of pros and cons. It might not be real, but given inflation etc. I am spending more time swinging to and fro.

What this review does show is this KS is not for me. I wonder who it is for, but that's a different question that I'm less interested in. The point is I now know that because we have review data, not guesses. So review good/worthwhile even if product is bizarre.

Still don't know which way to go though.

I game quite a lot, but I also tinker (audio/video/data/code/maybe AI) so I feel throwing all my eggs in one basket is maybe not best, maybe it is, I'm undecided, hence my interest in reviews. For (my) real work, with someone else paying, this class of processors is just not good enough (need fast workstation with custom software and GB++++ RAM), plus I now retired so I'm not so interested in that avenue, but...

It seems my new hobby is not actual gaming but mentally optimising gaming builds

This processor is for this(and others) reviews. Paper tiger.

 

[kapone32]

So very true. I'm just a bit disappointed there is no 7900X3D included for completeness' sake, if for nothing else. I'd like to know how it compares, rather than guess/infer.

I do have some commercial experience where the KS might be jumped upon, but very edge case, and then who would they sell the other 99.xx% of the production run to?

Kitguru has a review of the 7900x3d. I have one and absolutely love it. Coming from a 5800x3d i don't miss it and that had some of the best RAM for AM4 and my current ram is 5200.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I don't want to get drawn into a point by point discussion/rebuttalfest - I hate typing, but this review solidifies my unease about the current AMD/Intel situation. Both have great points, both have great weaknesses - it has never been less one-sided for many years, but both sides seem to be going OTT to try and prove some kind of supremacy, with this KS reaching a new zenith of WTF. For me, it seems this renewed competition has thrown up the unexpected scenario of "I don't like the weakness of both sides rather than I like strengths of X over Y". Again, for me, that's unusual, causing a lot of naval gazing and more weighing up of pros and cons. It might not be real, but given inflation etc. I am spending more time swinging to and fro.

What this review does show is this KS is not for me. I wonder who it is for, but that's a different question that I'm less interested in. The point is I now know that because we have review data, not guesses. So review good/worthwhile even if product is bizarre.

Still don't know which way to go though.

I game quite a lot, but I also tinker (audio/video/data/code/maybe AI) so I feel throwing all my eggs in one basket is maybe not best, maybe it is, I'm undecided, hence my interest in reviews. For (my) real work, with someone else paying, this class of processors is just not good enough (need fast workstation with custom software and GB++++ RAM), plus I now retired so I'm not so interested in that avenue, but...

It seems my new hobby is not actual gaming but mentally optimising gaming builds

Indeed. I'm going to agree, and point out that the KS is not for 99.9% of people, and I would argue that includes the small portion of people who purchase things like the regular i9-13900K.

This is just glorious, though! It's like having your cake and eating it too. High IPC + fairly generous amount of cache + high frequencies = win

As for workstation performance, that niche's been shafted. If you reasonably need more than what a 7950X/X3D or i9-13900K/KS can do, you'll pretty much have to wait for Alder Lake-X (if that's not cancelled - at this point it probably is), or adopt one of Intel's exotic Xeon w9/AMD's Threadripper Pro processors at a ma$$ive amount of dosh. Adopting an older Threadripper or LGA3467 Xeon is probably a bad idea, these desktop-grade CPUs are generally faster, including at AVX-512 if you opt for Zen 4.

 

[Drash]

Kitguru has a review of the 7900x3d. I have one and absolutely love it. Coming from a 5800x3d i don't miss it and that had some of the best RAM for AM4 and my current ram is 5200.

Kitguru fell off my reading list - can't remember why.

Are you sure it was 7900X3D - I can't find it.

Nexus has a YT review but I'm not a fan of the format even though I watch all their vids, I prefer text and charts to pore over.

 

[kapone32]

Kitguru fell off my reading list - can't remember why.

Are you sure it was 7900X3D - I can't find it.

Nexus has a YT review but I'm not a fan of the format even though I watch all their vids, I prefer text and charts to pore over.

Try doing a Youtube search for it. Someone has for sure. I thought it was Kit Guru but it might be Hardware Canucks. I know it wasn't Nexus I don't watch them anymore.

 

[Vya Domus]

I am blown away by the fact that Intel made an 800$ CPU that somehow manages to use as much power as an 800$ GPU, that's astonishing.

 

[R0H1T]

And then they'll probably release an $800 "overheating" GPU as well ~ perfect room heater for winters!

 

[Wye]

Thanks for the 720p benchmarks, obviously people are purchasing a 13900KS and 4090 to game at 720p and lower.
Why no 480p tests?

 

[SL2]

And yet in the recent TLOU game it barely ties a stock 12900k

So you're referring to a game that isn't in the review we're talking about. you're clutching at straws here lol. Nice cherrypicking. It's not like you have to, the 12900K is a great CPU.

Meanwhile, in the review we're actually talking about, the 7800X3D is 14 % faster at 1440 on average in 14 games.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

If he doesn't include them people complain if he does people complain.... They are there to completely remove the gpu as a bottleneck how useful they are is subjective but to some people they are important just becuase you don't care makes little difference in the grand scheme of things.

As far as the 720p benchmarks go @Wye

 

[SL2]

Thanks for the 720p benchmarks, obviously people are purchasing a 13900KS and 4090 to game at 720p and lower.
Why no 480p tests?

Welcome to the internet. In a few years you will learn why low res game benchmarks are still there. Hint: It's NOT because people run games at low res.

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

sv.lmgtfy.app

 

[CGLBESE]

It smells like the Netburst architecture once again. For competition sake, I really hope Intel works on a real new architecture, as Core really surprised enthusiasts after the Pentium D debacle... and as AMD surprised the audience with Zen after the infamous Bulldozer disaster...

 

[Dr. Dro]

It smells like the Netburst architecture once again. For competition sake, I really hope Intel works on a real new architecture, as Core really surprised enthusiasts after the Pentium D debacle... and as AMD surprised the audience with Zen after the infamous Bulldozer disaster...

I've only had mine for a couple of days, but I can assure there's nothing NetBurst about this! It's really the real deal, having your cake and eating it too. That still comes at the cost of power consumption, sadly, but it's got every checkbox ticked otherwise.

Pentium 4 was hot and slow, this one isn't even hot unless you really push it to the limit on conventional cooling, but then again I can argue, isn't that on the user? Special binned processor with conventional cooling, I guess? I purchased it for the binning and flexibility, myself

 

[SL2]

It smells like the Netburst architecture once again. For competition sake, I really hope Intel works on a real new architecture, as Core really surprised enthusiasts after the Pentium D debacle... and as AMD surprised the audience with Zen after the infamous Bulldozer disaster...

No, it's nowhere as bad.

It's bad when they need separate chips for laptops, like Tiger lake, Ice lake, Yonah, Dothan, Banias.. which isn't happening right now.