What's your latest tech purchase?

[OneMoar]

Decided to sort out my home network. Budget is they key factor here. Wish there were wall mounts and a few more gigabit ports, but it is what it is. Can't wait to set it up )
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i got you

https://www.amazon.com/STANSTAR-TP-Link-Bracket-Management-Without/dp/B07TKHM749

https://www.amazon.com/PETIMETI-Wall-Mount-TP-Link-System%EF%BC%883/dp/B08V93BY7R/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2LAIFI9KSKKF7

 

[A Computer Guy]

Picked up two of these on sale to replace my LL 120's. Since the LL's shape is not square they leak air along the sides preventing full pressure from going through my rads.
These didn't arrive in time for my custom loop maintenance this year so they will be on the shelf until next year.
Unfortunately they don't have side structures where I can drill some holes through them for cable management like I did with my LL's.

 

[r9]

Poor man's hhkb.
BTC 5100c $45 on ebay new and had to buy AT to ps/2 and active ps/2 to usb adapters $10-15
But this thing feels and sounds 100% like topre switches. It's louder than my hhkb type s but it's exactly like the regular not silenced topre switches. Only thing I'll put some silicone lube on the stabs as there is some ratle but other than that for anyone wanting hhkb/topre experience for a lot less money don't even think about it just buy it!

 

[AusWolf]

TDP is not their maximum wattage, it's closer to an average.

Maximum wattage on AMD is TDP * 1.35.

Maximum temperature is... well... maximum temperature.

Whichever the CPU reaches first, it'll clock back to keep things in check.

 

[Mussels]

I am absolutely loving my 7900X3D. In HWInfo64 I see a maximum power draw of 55 Watts. To me that is super impressive as the fact that there are 2 CCDs, an I/O Die and IGPU all in the same package supplying for that power draw.

the 3D's use about the same in MT testing, but far less in gaming. my x3D is anywhere from 10 to 30 watts less in gaming, despite the same core count and fairly similar clock speeds (ST burst is lower, MT is about equal)

Maximum wattage on AMD is TDP * 1.35.

Maximum temperature is... well... maximum temperature.

Whichever the CPU reaches first, it'll clock back to keep things in check.

The one thing people get wrong is how some of the limits work like TDC
TDP (Thermal design power) is lower than PPT, because PPT was never meant to be the 24/7 load - it's like intels PL1 and PL2.

140W PPT/Wattage maximum, 95W cooler - because of the assumption that the CPU would get hot, and throttle to TDC instead of EDC.
If CPU Cooling is good enough, uh oh better hope the board keeps up with PPT/EDC sustained because a lof of them decided to just go til TJmax and stutter, or explode

For the actual quote, for when people ask more the offical statement was this

Thermal Design Current (“TDC”): The maximum current (amps) that can be delivered by a specific motherboard’s voltage regulator configuration in thermally-constrained scenarios.

The confusion is that it's the CPU's thermal constraints, not the motherboards.
If the CPU remains cool, TDC doesnt trigger (same with bad PBO setting) you stay on EDC/PPT limits (which may also be effectively unlimited), pushing VRMs harder than they may have designed the shitty boards i hate so much to do.

 

[Ruru]

Got also a Fractal Focus G (my friend's old case). Going to build a P4 rig to that when I get the motivation to do that.

Though I forgot to take few spare fans from my friend, I guess I have few spare ones lying around..

 

[PLAfiller]

i got you

https://www.amazon.com/STANSTAR-TP-Link-Bracket-Management-Without/dp/B07TKHM749

https://www.amazon.com/PETIMETI-Wall-Mount-TP-Link-System%EF%BC%883/dp/B08V93BY7R/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2LAIFI9KSKKF7

10х, I kinda saw them too, but I am tempted with my newly 3Dprinter to print someone else's solution: https://www.yeggi.com/q/tp+link+deco+m4+wall+mount/

 

[AusWolf]

The one thing people get wrong is how some of the limits work like TDC
TDP (Thermal design power) is lower than PPT, because PPT was never meant to be the 24/7 load - it's like intels PL1 and PL2.

It is exactly like Intel's PL1, which is a 24/7 load.

The box is the only place you'll ever see TDP on an AMD CPU. Unlike PPT (which is a real value), it basically doesn't exist.

140W PPT/Wattage maximum, 95W cooler - because of the assumption that the CPU would get hot, and throttle to TDC instead of EDC.
If CPU Cooling is good enough, uh oh better hope the board keeps up with PPT/EDC sustained because a lof of them decided to just go til TJmax and stutter, or explode

That's a wrong assumption. The CPU will reach PPT sooner than TDC or EDC by default, I can guarantee that with 99% certainty. TDC and EDC are just an extra layer of protection (which can be overridden by the motherboard of course).

 

[Mussels]

That's a wrong assumption. The CPU will reach PPT sooner than TDC or EDC by default, I can guarantee that with 99% certainty. TDC and EDC are just an extra layer of protection (which can be overridden by the motherboard of course).

By DEFAULT yes
I'm grumping about shitty boards screwing PBO up, which i've ran into far too many now fixing clients systems.
"On" = "balls to the wall" with AMD's TDC throttle requiring the CPU to overheat, instead the boards VRM's overheat long before that ever happens with the current high core counts available on these turds

VRM overheats, CPU cools down, situation never fixes, YAY STUTTER
It's easy money fixing em, but jesus it's annoying to argue with people over "no, don't turn everything to max because youtube said it was good on DIFFERENT hardware"

 

[AusWolf]

By DEFAULT yes
I'm grumping about shitty boards screwing PBO up, which i've ran into far too many now fixing clients systems.
"On" = "balls to the wall" with AMD's TDC throttle requiring the CPU to overheat, instead the boards VRM's overheat long before that ever happens with the current high core counts available on these turds

VRM overheats, CPU cools down, situation never fixes, YAY STUTTER
It's easy money fixing em, but jesus it's annoying to argue with people over "no, don't turn everything to max because youtube said it was good on DIFFERENT hardware"

Agreed.

I think it would be nice if multi-core enhancements and such on Intel, and PBO on AMD were disabled by default, and enabling them would pop up the same message that overclocking usually does.

 

[Magic Cube]

Decided to sort out my home network. Budget is they key factor here. Wish there were wall mounts and a few more gigabit ports, but it is what it is. Can't wait to set it up )
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I have M9 version of Deco at work. Those M9's have powerline networking. I would say these Deco products are probably good for home. If you just need wlan, without many settings. I mean there is not any interesting settings in Deco app or device configuration site. Also wall mounts would have been nice addon to Deco package.

I also found out that Ubiquiti Edge switch 48 lite didn't like these, also gives same problems with Asus mesh. Deco/Asus unit which you connect to switch works about a day or sometimes less. Everytime end result is Edge switch blocks traffic to that port where Deco/Asus is connected. So I have started to change switches to Aruba Instant On 1930 models.

 

[PLAfiller]

I have M9 version of Deco at work. Those M9's have powerline networking. I would say these Deco products are probably good for home. If you just need wlan, without many settings. I mean there is not any interesting settings in Deco app or device configuration site. Also wall mounts would have been nice addon to Deco package.

I also found out that Ubiquiti Edge switch 48 lite didn't like these, also gives same problems with Asus mesh. Deco/Asus unit which you connect to switch works about a day or sometimes less. Everytime end result is Edge switch blocks traffic to that port where Deco/Asus is connected. So I have started to change switches to Aruba Instant On 1930 models.

Thank you for this insight. The thing is neither does my current router: D-Link DIR850L. Can't be flashed to DD-WRT, doesn't work with DNS Family Shield.....kinda same specs as the M4 Deco. My plan is to use one as a router and the other two as satellites. And for the few things that are hardwired I was thinking of connecting the switch I already have for years now: ZyXEL GS1200-5HPv2 to the second LAN port on the Deco. You think this will be a problem?

 

[dont whant to set it"']

Because why not.

 

[Magic Cube]

Thank you for this insight. The thing is neither does my current router: D-Link DIR850L. Can't be flashed to DD-WRT, doesn't work with DNS Family Shield.....kinda same specs as the M4 Deco. My plan is to use one as a router and the other two as satellites. And for the few things that are hardwired I was thinking of connecting the switch I already have for years now: ZyXEL GS1200-5HPv2 to the second LAN port on the Deco. You think this will be a problem?

Zyxel could work. Only way to found out is test.

First time I tested those Deco's I connected it to Zyxel GS1900 48-port switch and they did work without problem. No setting changes or anything. I just wasn't happy with settings of Deco's.

One thing I did forget to mention: Forcing port to 1Gbit from auto setting helped connection stability a little with Ubiquiti. I could get couple days or 2 weeks more but still those had problem and those settings are none.

 

[freeagent]

Finally have enough room for some more games

 

[Arco]

Finally have enough room for some more games

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YOU CAN'T JUST GET A DRAM-LESS DRIVE.

Impressive wizardly on WD's part.

 

[Shou Miko]

YOU CAN'T JUST GET A DRAM-LESS DRIVE.

Impressive wizardly on WD's part.

Personally I will recommend dram cache for a ssd being for storage, os and so on I just wish Gigabyte made the M30 in a 2 and 4TB package but they don't only 512GB and 1TB but they do have 2GB cache I guess if they need 2TB it would make it 4GB and 4TB would be 8GB of cache which would be really high if they want to keep the cache double up.

 

[gurusmi]

Some things for my new rig...

A new PSU and some smaller parts for my new custom loop

 

[freeagent]

Personally I will recommend dram cache for a ssd being for storage,

Yup, they are dirt cheap, and I really don’t need anything crazy. They seem to outperform my original SN850, and they destroy my SN750

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

oh

Only now seeing this. When I got mine, installing CFW

it wasent amazingly difficult just a lot more fiddly then say the PSP or the PS3
and theres lot of diffrent things and little quirks

 

[Mussels]

Agreed.

I think it would be nice if multi-core enhancements and such on Intel, and PBO on AMD were disabled by default, and enabling them would pop up the same message that overclocking usually does.

It is on some boards, that's my major frustration.
They're on "auto" and something like enabling XMP changes that from 'off' to 'unlimited' without user knowledge

That's a weird one magiccube with the products dropping, don't those devices get their remote configs from a master server/cloud? Sounds like that traffic is blocked or not where it expects, so they forget their settings

Personally I will recommend dram cache for a ssd being for storage

we have a primocache thread here
Even a 60 second write cache will halve the writes to your drive, so no matter what drive you have a RAM cache will keep it living a LOT longer

It's NTFS/TRIM wizardry with un-deletes and temp files never needing to reach the drive, being deleted while still in RAM
(Without the regular NTFS things that can happen like the same browser cache file being downloaded and saved over and over, it un-deletes it to RAM instead)

 

[Shou Miko]

It is on some boards, that's my major frustration.
They're on "auto" and something like enabling XMP changes that from 'off' to 'unlimited' without user knowledge

That's a weird one magiccube with the products dropping, don't those devices get their remote configs from a master server/cloud? Sounds like that traffic is blocked or not where it expects, so they forget their settings


we have a primocache thread here
Even a 60 second write cache will halve the writes to your drive, so no matter what drive you have a RAM cache will keep it living a LOT longer

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It's NTFS/TRIM wizardry with un-deletes and temp files never needing to reach the drive, being deleted while still in RAM
(Without the regular NTFS things that can happen like the same browser cache file being downloaded and saved over and over, it un-deletes it to RAM instead)

I been seeing this on my Gigabyte M30 1TB with the 2GB of cache campared to others with only 1GB of cache the write speed is more steady and it takes longer to drop.

 

[Mussels]

I been seeing this on my Gigabyte M30 1TB with the 2GB of cache campared to others with only 1GB of cache the write speed is more steady and it takes longer to drop.

The problem is that if a drive relies too heavily on the cache, once the cache is exhausted performance tanks and can be very inconsistent - my 1TB Intel 6000P exhibits this behaviour despite its 32GB SLC cache and DRAM

DRAM is only used to hold the file table and sometimes a buffer for small file writes (like HBM does), the SLC cache on the drive and the algorithms in the firmware are the primary factors for sustained performance (with the physical setup being the obvious limit for burst performance)

Edit: goddamnit, moving a steam game to it today. Had to check it wasn't on USB 2.0, this is running at 10G and reads at 1.5GB/s

WOO FOR BAD DESIGN THAT RELIES ON CACHE.

Spoiler: yet another long rant sorry

(It's an enterprise-ish variant of the 600P, for consumer use it's no different)

(Good thing this had me look up the drive, potential data loss issue if i dont update the firmware)

It's a 1TB PCI-E 3.0 NVME drive that flip flops between 1500MB/s and 56k dialup depending on the status of that cache, it does not do well when the drive is more full.
Without a heatsink I was seeing 5MB/s writes. Pausing the writes and letting the cache empty and cool down would let it nyoom again.

I dont even need to write a full 32GB in one go (steam games can get large, I've got it in a 10Gb/s USB enclosure at present), and it chokes much faster than even some DRAMless drives will do because the 'SLC' cache is actually just using one layer of existing TLC/QLC, and that can make small file writes incredibly sad.


Oh god that anandtech article is making me sad for buying the drive all over again :/
NVME being smashed by SATA

 

[AusWolf]

It is on some boards, that's my major frustration.
They're on "auto" and something like enabling XMP changes that from 'off' to 'unlimited' without user knowledge

That's a weird one magiccube with the products dropping, don't those devices get their remote configs from a master server/cloud? Sounds like that traffic is blocked or not where it expects, so they forget their settings

I think it's rushed product launches more than anything. Motherboard makers don't test products properly, they just give them AMD/Intel default, and balls-to-the-walls Auto values and hope that whoever wants to tinker will do it manually.

Like the last high-profile case with 7800X3Ds blowing up in Asus boards. There's no way Asus couldn't test it properly before rushing out their BIOSes. They could have easily prevented it with a little care and being a couple days late with the BIOS. But nope, that can't happen in a capitalist industry!

 

[dgianstefani]

I think it's rushed product launches more than anything. Motherboard makers don't test products properly, they just give them AMD/Intel default, and balls-to-the-walls Auto values and hope that whoever wants to tinker will do it manually.

Like the last high-profile case with 7800X3Ds blowing up in Asus boards. There's no way Asus couldn't test it properly before rushing out their BIOSes. They could have easily prevented it with a little care and being a couple days late with the BIOS. But nope, that can't happen in a capitalist industry!

It's got nothing to do with capitalist industry, competence happens all the time in that system.

Plenty of motherboard manufacturers release good bios at launch, they just tend not to be AMD boards.