Ryzen 5600X3D coming soon?

[chrcoluk]

Is this a 2nd thread on it? I remember replying but seems isnt in this thread.

But anyway is good AM4 still getting some attention.

 

[Chrispy_]

Y U boost so low?

Why Why Why?!

Because these will be the slowly growing stockpile of failed 5800X3D chips, many of which will have failed to reach the already low clock targets of a 5800X3D.

 

[wheresmycar]

X570 wasnt expensive and nor was b550, gica is another troll like fancucker

Not just a barebone troll but i've noticed this troll wears a blue and green wig and runs around in panic at the sight of red. The level of partiality is bordering stupidity but come on every village has an idiot, we're blessed to identify ours

Is this a 2nd thread on it? I remember replying but seems isnt in this thread.

But anyway is good AM4 still getting some attention.

I get it bro. Its the short burst heat in the UK.... i'm forgetting stuff too. Got myself some large fans yesterday so feeling breezier indoors.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

As far as the 6500XT, that card is only maligned by people who did not buy one.

I didn't buy an RX 6500 XT, because of no video encoding.

 

[Frick]

If real and price is right I actually might get it.

 

[chrcoluk]

Not just a barebone troll but i've noticed this troll wears a blue and green wig and runs around in panic at the sight of red. The level of partiality is bordering stupidity but come on every village has an idiot, we're blessed to identify ours



I get it bro. Its the short burst heat in the UK.... i'm forgetting stuff too. Got myself some large fans yesterday so feeling breezier indoors.

Mine coming thursday, the one thing amazon not doing same/next day

 

[kapone32]

I didn't buy an RX 6500 XT, because of no video encoding.

One of the reasons I got mine was that I got a 4K 120Hz Freesync TV and my 570 could not do 120Hz. The 6500Xt has no problem doing that @ 1080P VRR.

 

[Gica]

I know you meant me and you can't seem to get in your head that a person can have more than one PC at a time. I was talking about my HTPC that was a 3600 and a 6500XT. Yes I did plug my 5800X3D into that system and yes I did see an improvement in performance. It's not my fault that the narrative does not work. As far as the 6500XT, that card is only maligned by people who did not buy one. It is like your negative position to the X3D which is again is belied by people who actually have them.

5900X, 5600X (here), now also 3600.
Honestly, I wonder if these components, including those in the sys specs, you only have in your dreams.
3600, 5600X, 5800 X3D... whatever, they're all too powerful not to extract all the potential from the big fail 6500XT.
And you also make mistakes with elementary logic in hardware, because a processor cannot replace a graphic processor. Everyone has their role and the strongest will expect the weak to do their homework.

 

[AusWolf]

5900X, 5600X (here), now also 3600.
Honestly, I wonder if these components, including those in the sys specs, you only have in your dreams.
3600, 5600X, 5800 X3D... whatever, they're all too powerful not to extract all the potential from the big fail 6500XT.
And you also make mistakes with elementary logic in hardware, because a processor cannot replace a graphic processor. Everyone has their role and the strongest will expect the weak to do their homework.

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Some of us go through multiple iterations of the same system, even in our HTPCs. Mine had a 1030, a 6400 a 6500 XT, a 1660 Ti, even a 2070 at some point, and now a passively cooled 1050 Ti in it. I just like trying hardware, all kinds of it.

 

[Toothless]

5900X, 5600X (here), now also 3600.
Honestly, I wonder if these components, including those in the sys specs, you only have in your dreams.
3600, 5600X, 5800 X3D... whatever, they're all too powerful not to extract all the potential from the big fail 6500XT.
And you also make mistakes with elementary logic in hardware, because a processor cannot replace a graphic processor. Everyone has their role and the strongest will expect the weak to do their homework.

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A dual Epyc nowadays has enough raw CPU power to render games. Not well obviously but it's possible.

Some of us go through multiple iterations of the same system, even in our HTPCs. Mine had a 1030, a 6400 a 6500 XT, a 1660 Ti, even a 2070 at some point, and now a passively cooled 1050 Ti in it. I just like trying hardware, all kinds of it.

Hell my 3900x bench has had so many GPUs go around in it for testing and overclocking fun. Eventually I want to stick a 5900x in there.

 

[kapone32]

5900X, 5600X (here), now also 3600.
Honestly, I wonder if these components, including those in the sys specs, you only have in your dreams.
3600, 5600X, 5800 X3D... whatever, they're all too powerful not to extract all the potential from the big fail 6500XT.
And you also make mistakes with elementary logic in hardware, because a processor cannot replace a graphic processor. Everyone has their role and the strongest will expect the weak to do their homework.

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Well sorry for the mistake I do sell systems on the side so forgive me for that mistake, but what does it prove? Again the strength of your position is all based on opinion and not actual use. A processor cannot replace a Graphics processor nor give it better performance unless it has Vcache. You don't seem to understand that an 8 core CPU can be faster than a 6 core even at 1080P. Please answer this question have you ever owned an AM4 CPU?

 

[Gica]

Well sorry for the mistake

Of course, the mistake.
However, you only have declarations on your own responsibility. I have not seen any evidence, image capture or video, that proves that you have these components and with which to support your claims. Nothing!

Again the strength of your position is all based on opinion and not actual use. A processor cannot replace a Graphics processor nor give it better performance unless it has Vcache. You don't seem to understand that an 8 core CPU can be faster than a 6 core even at 1080P. Please answer this question have you ever owned an AM4 CPU?

Not with the 6500XT.
According to TPU (1080p):
6500XT: 100%
3070Ti : 258%
In the image below, the 11600KF was the processor next to the 3070Ti at the time of purchase. Then I checked the results of the reviews with my results in the games I have and they are similar, with differences of 1-2 fps.

Really interesting is the comparison between 13500 and 10500. With a huge advance in CPU Score (almost double), but 13500 failed to get more than 8 fps from 3070 Ti. How you managed to get 30 fps with a cheap 6500XT is beyond any understanding. Were you playing at 1-2 fps with the 5600X and did X3D bring the light? And if you succeeded in the miracle, there were now billions of posts to confirm it and even the news would not have missed this 8th wonder of the world.

Why the miracle is not possible is simple. The complex calculations for creating a 3D image are the responsibility of the video card, not the processor or the 3D cache. This cache helps the processor, but the 6500XT is fffffff weak and the processor is waiting for this Frankenstein of the 6000 series to do its homework. The only noticeable difference between the 5600X and 5800X3D is CPU Usage. If the first sleeps until the 6500XT calculates a scene, the other hibernates.

Another proof, if you want, are the same results of the UHD 770 from 13600K and 13900K, and 7600X versus 7700X/7900X/7950X.
At Intel there is a tiny difference due to the different frequencies. At AMD the score is identical.

You don't need to buy a cpu or graphics card to detect blatant lies. We have the reviews!

 

[eidairaman1]

At some point i did individually check a number of 300-series board support lists, most were showing support for vermeer/5000-series

A few months ago I had a crack at upgrading someones plex server + semi-surveillance home hub on a ASRock AB350 ITX (Ryzen 1600). Oddly enough boards CPU support list made no mention of 5000-series but the BIOS support page listed vermeer in the affirmative. Did a bit of user-input digging for some added confidence and eventually pulled the trigger on a 5700X. The only temporary lived hiccup: the update process at completion just hung up... i left it for hours. A bit of a nerve-wrecker but eventually hit the power switch and rebooted and boom everything was working flawlessly with update fully registered.

A quick side not for someone going down this route: I recall the update patch overrides some of the previous BIOS support codes so older Gen CPUs will no longer work (can't recall which ones though). This is primarily due to the smaller BIOS chip limitation found on older boards.

Probably Ryzen 1/1.5, and Certain APU series, its a eeprom size limit

 

[Lew Zealand]

It refers to the prices from then, not from now. Even the B550 was considered expensive compared to the B350/450.
My indicator is another: it was impossible for me to find an account on the forums where I can see the 300 series motherboard with a 5000 series processor. Somehow, people have upgraded both the motherboard and the processors over time. I ask you: where is the myth of the 7 years?
It's funny when I see some big mouths cheering this myth but they changed their components like panties.

I have one, my kid's: MSI B350, R5 5500, MSI GTX 1660 Super.

Just because you have a narrative in your head doesn't mean that it's more than imagination. This forum is about enthusiasts and yes few will stay with a B350 through to a 5000 series but some will. FYI I have a B450 with an R5 5600, not that different from an B350 with PCIe 3.0. And it's my main gaming PC.

Oh, and both of these are the 3rd processor and yes, all were under $110 except my $150 R5 5600. 2 were recycled to the other board. And the other kid also has a B450 but doesnt need a CPU upgrade yet but will get one when needed. Right there, the promise of AM4 delivered.

Your "myth" has come true.

 

[Hyderz]

5800x3d is $449 msrp
5600x3d is ??? im guessing its $379

the 5800x3d on sale is going for $322, this cpu has been out for a year already... just drop the price amd and call it a day...

 

[Icon Charlie]

Meh give me 5950x for $300 or so, AMD's so stingy
Some are speculating these are possibly 5800x3d defective dies.

I agree with this comment.

 

[kapone32]

Of course, the mistake.
However, you only have declarations on your own responsibility. I have not seen any evidence, image capture or video, that proves that you have these components and with which to support your claims. Nothing!

Not with the 6500XT.
According to TPU (1080p):
6500XT: 100%
3070Ti : 258%
In the image below, the 11600KF was the processor next to the 3070Ti at the time of purchase. Then I checked the results of the reviews with my results in the games I have and they are similar, with differences of 1-2 fps.

Really interesting is the comparison between 13500 and 10500. With a huge advance in CPU Score (almost double), but 13500 failed to get more than 8 fps from 3070 Ti. How you managed to get 30 fps with a cheap 6500XT is beyond any understanding. Were you playing at 1-2 fps with the 5600X and did X3D bring the light? And if you succeeded in the miracle, there were now billions of posts to confirm it and even the news would not have missed this 8th wonder of the world.

Why the miracle is not possible is simple. The complex calculations for creating a 3D image are the responsibility of the video card, not the processor or the 3D cache. This cache helps the processor, but the 6500XT is fffffff weak and the processor is waiting for this Frankenstein of the 6000 series to do its homework. The only noticeable difference between the 5600X and 5800X3D is CPU Usage. If the first sleeps until the 6500XT calculates a scene, the other hibernates.

Another proof, if you want, are the same results of the UHD 770 from 13600K and 13900K, and 7600X versus 7700X/7900X/7950X.
At Intel there is a tiny difference due to the different frequencies. At AMD the score is identical.

You don't need to buy a cpu or graphics card to detect blatant lies. We have the reviews!

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What is the boost clock on the 6500XT? What is the Memory boost clock on the 6500XT. Unless you have it plugged into to the MB's video out ports the IGPU has nothing to do with Gaming. Your attempt at being technical shows how ridiculous your position is when everything above what you highlighted for Intel happens to be AMD's older APUs. BTW a 2220G is not a viable Gaming chip now at 720P. I guess the 2 GPU cores on the 7000 CPUS show how weak they are.

Did TPU play the Games I played? What version of driver was used as that can have a huge difference with AMD hardware. You don't seem to understand that Intel is not the only CPU maker that is improving it's product. Then you have no appreciation for what Vcache actually does in helping the PC to render frames so you don't have to send as much data to system Memory. If the GPU is opening 3000+ Gates a second and the Memory is capable of 3000+ MT/s, having Vcache on the CPU will help in keeping data between the CPU and GPU, thus leading to better 1% lows in all Games and up to 20% better Frames in CPU bound Games.

For example. The 5800X3D is fast enough to drive a 7900XT or XTX but a 7900X3D will feed the VRAM buffer 3-5 more GB/s in just about every Game. That makes it feel smoother but you are getting me to the secret that Nvidia understands and Intel is just understanding. Once AMD solves the Memory scaling issue, faster Memory transfers will mean even better 1% lows, meaning (to me) that when the 7945 and it's successor's make it to DIY Gaming at 1080P.

 

[dgianstefani]

5800x3d is $449 msrp
5600x3d is ??? im guessing its $379

the 5800x3d on sale is going for $322, this cpu has been out for a year already... just drop the price amd and call it a day...

5800X3D is going for $289.

 

[Hyderz]

5800X3D is going for $289.

Very little reason to get 5600x3d unless it’s cheaper than 5800x3d but that will be months before we see it cheaper

 

[dgianstefani]

Very little reason to get 5600x3d unless it’s cheaper than 5800x3d but that will be months before we see it cheaper

Very little reason to get it at all. The concept of a "premium" six core is flawed, especially when the clocks are limited even harder than the 5800X3D already are.

It will launch cheaper than the 5800X3D, but not by enough to make the compromise sane.

Any true "budget" gamer shouldn't be looking at X3D chips at all, but rather putting their money into a faster GPU or better monitor (many of them still on 60 Hz 1080p and RX580/equivalent). If you're not a budget gamer then "upgrading" to a six core is just silly.

 

[Gica]

I have one, my kid's: MSI B350, R5 5500, MSI GTX 1660 Super.

Just because you have a narrative in your head doesn't mean that it's more than imagination. This forum is about enthusiasts and yes few will stay with a B350 through to a 5000 series but some will. FYI I have a B450 with an R5 5600, not that different from an B350 with PCIe 3.0. And it's my main gaming PC.

Oh, and both of these are the 3rd processor and yes, all were under $110 except my $150 R5 5600. 2 were recycled to the other board. And the other kid also has a B450 but doesnt need a CPU upgrade yet but will get one when needed. Right there, the promise of AM4 delivered.

Your "myth" has come true.

It is only the exception that strengthens the rule. And that 5500 doesn't break the bank. It is enough to find an owner of LGA 1151 and i5 from that period. Can't find it?
In 2017 I had 7700K. It could be recycled, now, as an excellent HTCP without a dedicated video card and even with a new middle video card it is not ashamed. With 1660 Super, it's all you need.
What are we talking about? We find owners of Intel 4/5/6 series who still use their computers.
So, even as recycling, the myth is not valid. The myth was true if a significant mass of people used the old B350s with the most powerful 5000 series processors.

 

[AusWolf]

Very little reason to get it at all. The concept of a "premium" six core is flawed, especially when the clocks are limited even harder than the 5800X3D already are.

It will launch cheaper than the 5800X3D, but not by enough to make the compromise sane.

Any true "budget" gamer shouldn't be looking at X3D chips at all, but rather putting their money into a faster GPU or better monitor (many of them still on 60 Hz 1080p and RX580/equivalent). If you're not a budget gamer then "upgrading" to a six core is just silly.

That depends on the market, I suppose.

What is silly for the average consumer in the USA/UK or the Western world in general might not be silly in Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia or Latin America. For some, there is a dilemma between the £99 Ryzen 5 5500 and £130 R5 5600 (different architecture with more cache) or the £229 Core i5-13400 (10-core) and £239 i5-13500 (14-core). I personally know people like that. It is especially in those markets where I would strongly recommend against upgrading one's monitor, and suggest buying a better CPU or GPU instead. For such people, the 5800X3D might be out of reach, but a 5600X3D might come into consideration if priced right.

 

[Gica]

What is the boost clock on the 6500XT? What is the Memory boost clock on the 6500XT.

Dodging is a technique. And you use it to the fullest.
6500XT is a video card with 4GB vRAM, limited to PCIe lines, with 1660 consumption and much lower performance. It doesn't even have an encoder. No CPU on this planet can help her. The miracle happened only to you. You didn't provide any evidence, but you continue.

The conclusion of all reviewers was unanimous: big fail! The only advantage it had was the price because only the ignorant and people without income fell into the trap and bought it.

Now that the 6600 is selling for the launch price of the 6500XT, it's gone from the market. The screenshot below explains why.

 

[dgianstefani]

That depends on the market, I suppose.

What is silly for the average consumer in the USA/UK or the Western world in general might not be silly in Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia or Latin America. For some, there is a dilemma between the £99 Ryzen 5 5500 and £130 R5 5600 (different architecture with more cache) or the £229 Core i5-13400 (10-core) and £239 i5-13500 (14-core). I personally know people like that. It is especially in those markets where I would strongly recommend against upgrading one's monitor, and suggest buying a better CPU or GPU instead. For such people, the 5800X3D might be out of reach, but a 5600X3D might come into consideration if priced right.

5500/5600/5600X3D are all the same architecture, cache amount and core frequency is the only difference.

5600X3D will be at least twice the price of the 5500.

If you seriously recommend spending that in a "budget" gaming rig which is probably using a weak GPU, bad monitor and poor peripherals, cooling, PSU etc. Then I don't know what to say. You don't pair a CPU that has one advantage, great gaming performance, with a system that can't take advantage of that (equivalent of 12900K gaming performance but 10400f productivity paired with what, a 6600XT?). The cheap Intel cpus you listed are at least good at things other than gaming, like work, due to their core count. The 5600X3D will literally be worse than the 5600X ($150 CPU) at everything except gaming.

I guess you could make an argument that for those users at least their FPS will never dip below 60 on their 60 Hz monitor? At least not for CPU reasons .

 

[AusWolf]

5500/5600/5600X3D are all the same architecture, cache amount and core frequency is the only difference.

Nope - the 5500 is a Cezanne APU with a disabled iGPU. The 5600 is proper Vermeer. I know, because I built a PC for my brother with a 5500 in it (he's one of the people I was talking about).

5600X3D will be at least twice the price of the 5500.

That's Core i5-13400 territory, so if it's competitive with that, then why not?

If you seriously recommend spending that in a "budget" gaming rig which is probably using a weak GPU, bad monitor and poor peripherals, cooling, PSU etc. Then I don't know what to say. You don't pair a CPU that has one advantage, great gaming performance, with a system that can't take advantage of that (equivalent of 12900K gaming performance but 10400f productivity paired with what, a 6600XT?). The cheap Intel cpus you listed are at least good at things other than gaming, like work, due to their core count. The 5600X3D will literally be worse than the 5600X ($150 CPU) at everything except gaming.

I seriously do recommend spending a bit more on a CPU because "budget" buyers don't upgrade CPUs as often as enthusiasts do. My brother swapped to that Ryzen 5 5500 from a first gen Core i7 that I bought for him for a couple of quid second-hand a few years ago. He had a Core i5 (1st gen of course) before that for about 10 years.

I also seriously do not recommend upgrading their monitor, because higher resolutions and refresh rates demand more graphical horsepower which they simply don't have / can't afford.

Better peripherals are also a waste of money when you're on a budget. If you only had £20 extra, would you spend it on a tier higher GPU or CPU that gives you more performance, or on a little bit less shitty keyboard that... uh... has keys?

I mean no offense, but you clearly have no idea how a budget gamer thinks.