Is 4 cores and 8 threads enough for todays computer,gaming in 2023

[A Computer Guy]

And that's why AMD's X3D processors are killing it even in low threaded games.

I can't wait for the quad core 5200X3D!

 

[AusWolf]

I can't wait for the quad core 5200X3D!

Why quad core? I'd love to see what 1 GB cache can do with no CPU cores!

 

[A Computer Guy]

Why quad core? I'd love to see what 1 GB cache can do with no CPU cores!

Well it would prove how much Intel was shafting the gaming market when all they needed to do was add more cache during their quad core +++++++ revisions.

 

[gasolin]

So cache is just the ultimate solution to more power, like dlss is just the shit, relative to raw power where you don't need a program,software to get the fps you need ?

 

[Dan.G]

Would like to see a 4C/16T CPU
If that's possible... Just wondering why only 2T/1C. I can Google it, but I'm just lazy (the heat is to blame!).

 

[AusWolf]

So cache is just the ultimate solution to more power, like dlss is just the shit, relative to raw power where you don't need a program,software to get the fps you need ?

Except that more cache doesn't give you worse image quality.

 

[masterdeejay]

An interesting compare. The 10y old x99 platform vs 12gen i3
14 core vs 4 core + HT (but higher clocks)
The 2697v3 is a very cheap cpu now. (as low 25 usd)
Dell workstations is also cheap.
The old xeon is ot optimal for gaming and it is lose -5-10% FPS vs newer 12gen i3, but still much cheaper option
Can support rebar with bios mod.
For work that need a lot of cores the xeon is better.

20 games comparison – E5-2697 V3 vs i3-12100 | RX 7900 XT

https://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/461/Intel_Core_i3_i3-12100_vs_Intel_Xeon_E5-2697_v3.html

 

[AusWolf]

Would like to see a 4C/16T CPU
If that's possible... Just wondering why only 2T/1C. I can Google it, but I'm just lazy (the heat is to blame!).

Me too, although that might have some thread scheduling issues. 1c/2t already doesn't result in 2x performance, just 1.25-1.5x compared to 1c/1t. I would expect no more than 10-30% uplift with much higher cost from such a CPU, if it ever existed.

 

[masterdeejay]

Would like to see a 4C/16T CPU
If that's possible... Just wondering why only 2T/1C. I can Google it, but I'm just lazy (the heat is to blame!).

There is an Intel xeon phi that works in 1c/4t configuration.
https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/?generation=Intel+Xeon+Phi&sort=generation
But that has very slow and low ipc cores.

 

[gasolin]

An interesting compare. The 10y old x99 platform vs 12gen i3
14 core vs 4 core + HT (but higher clocks)
The 2697v3 is a very cheap cpu now. (as low 25 usd)
Dell workstations is also cheap.
The old xeon is ot optimal for gaming and it is lose -5-10% FPS vs newer 12gen i3, but still much cheaper option
Can support rebar with bios mod.
For work that need a lot of cores the xeon is better.

20 games comparison – E5-2697 V3 vs i3-12100 | RX 7900 XT

https://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/461/Intel_Core_i3_i3-12100_vs_Intel_Xeon_E5-2697_v3.html

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Power consumption ?

 

[masterdeejay]

Power consumption ?

475w vs 380w entire system in that benchmark.
So the 10y old xeon uses 25% more power.
This is a trade-off for a lot more pcie lanes and better multi-core performance.

You can't compare the TDP directly because xeons use different calculation. VRM is integrated (so that is why cheap chinese mobos can run these may core monsters with unlocked turbo)

The 2697v3 has the following TDP:
TDP base 145w
Dram 25W
TDC 208A
Max power limit 290w (40 sec)
P1: 145w (10 sec)
P2: 174w (7ms)
can't disable TDP limits on the xeon, it is a hard limit.


The i3 is at stock:
Base 60w
P1? 89w i think.
i dont know the other parameters, but i think it is almost maxed out.
But in the benchmark all limit are disabled for the i3


BTW i have a i9 7980XE that eats 400-500w when fully loaded, just the cpu. And i don't care.

 

[P4-630]

An interesting compare. The 10y old x99 platform vs 12gen i3
14 core vs 4 core + HT (but higher clocks)
The 2697v3 is a very cheap cpu now. (as low 25 usd)
Dell workstations is also cheap.
The old xeon is ot optimal for gaming and it is lose -5-10% FPS vs newer 12gen i3, but still much cheaper option
Can support rebar with bios mod.
For work that need a lot of cores the xeon is better.

20 games comparison – E5-2697 V3 vs i3-12100 | RX 7900 XT

https://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/461/Intel_Core_i3_i3-12100_vs_Intel_Xeon_E5-2697_v3.html

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You had to do some digging for that...

And you shouldn't be running a 7900XT when you have a Xeon bottleneck...

 

[masterdeejay]

You had to do some digging for that...

And you shouldn't be running a 7900XT when you have a Xeon bottleneck...

Yes it is a little overkill for that Xeon. (and for the i3 too)
I think the xeon is maxed out with rx5700, 6600, a750 or something.
I use an Intel A380 with xeon 2699v3 in my secondary workstation but not for gaming.

It's much easier to buy a new amd or intel for gaming, but for me that takes away the fun part. I simply hate average builds.

 

[AusWolf]

I simply hate average builds.

I can relate to that. That's why m-ATX is my maximum size. Anything bigger doesn't interest me unless you're actually using your expansion slots for something useful. I wouldn't go Xeon, though, simply because I favour IPC to core numbers (I had a 5950X, which was so fast and unused that it was actually boring to own it).

 

[gasolin]

No 12.13 and 14 gen ?

 

[chrcoluk]

No 12.13 and 14 gen ?

It is interesting, I do have two issues I observed on my 13700k, one of which I already posted on here.

Memory latency reported by both AIDA64 and MLC has regressed on the 13700k vs 9900k, second issue is the memory benchmark test in AIDA64 on my 13700k takes an age to run, last run took just over 6 minutes vs 10-20 seconds on 9900k (just the memory test, cache skipped). It made me switch to intel's MLC for testing (I think that tool is just better anyway, so will use it moving forward).

I however dont have any of the issues mentioned in that video, no lag moving my mouse around, no lag moving windows around, or the random processing issues showing search results etc.

So I think this is inconclusive right now other than the off the record comments given to tech yes city.

link for reddit discussion on slow AIDA64 test which I found when investigating.

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/119oedi

 

[pressing on]

No 12.13 and 14 gen ?

Have not watched the whole video but it seems to be about mouse stuttering in an application. One potential solution is to select the High Performance plan under Power Options in Windows settings.

 

[chrcoluk]

Have not watched the whole video but it seems to be about mouse stuttering in an application. One potential solution is to select the High Performance plan under Power Options in Windows settings.

Yeah it could be all sorts of things causing that kind of issue, far from conclusive in my opinion.

 

[gasolin]

Have seen it, might watch it again

 

[gasolin]

You need something better than just better than your i5-11600K's single core speed. Take your time, save money, buy a Ryzen 7800X3D. Don't waste your effort on sidegrades.

Overkill for an rx 6700 xt

Not gonna see myself with a rtx 4070 or rx 6800 xt or something better for at least 1 year or more

My plan after one said my i3 12100f runs smooth (rx6600) and after i tried 4 core and ht, was to try a 12 or 13 gen intel 4 core,8 thread cpu just to try it, it's even faster then a ryzen 3700x when gaming, i also want a cooler cpu (tdp) that i don't need to run at higher power limit for it not to throttle (i do that with my 11600k), where the tcpu cooler is obsolete since as long as it's better then a hyper 212 evo it will cool the cpu without any heat,noise

14 gen is out in october, then grab one of the 12 or 13 gen cpu's someone is selling to upgrade to 14gen, one who don't want to wait a month to sell it so it's for sale at a good price

Can get a new i5 12100f for 90 euros (13100f a little more) and an okay mb for 100 euros or just a little more for a nzxt n5 z690

 

[mb194dc]

Still running a 4790k with a 6800xt at 4k and still seen no reason to change it. So yes, probably depending on your exact use case and if you only want min 60 fps. If you want low res, high FPS only probably not. Personally I don't get why anyone would spend thousands to game at 1080p still.

I Typically play Insurgency, World of Tanks, Hunter call of the wild and some older games, others using this machine play Fortnite, Hogwarts, Assasins Creed and others. Getting at least 60 FPS in pretty much everything.

 

[Macro Device]

Overkill for an rx 6700 xt

Nonsense. It's way better to have a mega powerful CPU than to whine, "I'm CPU bound," and yeah, your 11600K is not enough for 6700 XT in 1080p already. Neither is i3-12100. You will notice some boost (in games like CS:GO, boost will be humongous), why is that not fine by you?

Not gonna see myself with a rtx 4070 or rx 6800 xt or something better for at least 1 year or more

But when you end up having a mighty GPU, you will be sorry if your CPU is a cheeky i3-12100. 7800X3D is capable of any activity.

 

[Vayra86]

Nonsense. It's way better to have a mega powerful CPU than to whine, "I'm CPU bound," and yeah, your 11600K is not enough for 6700 XT in 1080p already. Neither is i3-12100. You will notice some boost (in games like CS:GO, boost will be humongous), why is that not fine by you?

But when you end up having a mighty GPU, you will be sorry if your CPU is a cheeky i3-12100. 7800X3D is capable of any activity.

Indeed. CPU necking is much more annoying than GPU in my experience. Frametime variance increases massively and especially in the moments you are most active in actual gameplay. When GPU falls short, you just see lower frames (unless it is vram). But when the CPU cant push the game logic proper, you get hangs, sudden fps dips, etc. Its very similar behaviour to lack of VRAM in that sense, except the 'stutter' is longer. Youre also destroying the GPU's excellent capability of smoothing out FPS variance, through dynamic clocks, etc.

Put differently: every good gaming system is GPU bound, and then specifically only 'gpu core bound'. Thats the space where you want to be because dialing down graphics a notch is barely if ever painful; its easy to control and tweak per game. This is how you should be looking at what makes for a balanced gaming rig, too.

 

[dirtyferret]

Put differently: every good gaming system is GPU bound, and then specifically only 'gpu core bound

I agree but that also means don't go overkill in CPU performance that you may never tap into during the lifetime of platform. It's a balance of having enough CPU performance to feed your GPU to achieve the performance you want.

 

[Macro Device]

CPU necking is much more annoying than GPU in my experience

In mine too. Gonna have a switch from an injured ES CPU (8-core RKL @3.8 GHz) to something like 13600K or probably 14400. I don't plan on moving anywhere from 1080p, 4K gaming makes no sense to me (5 million FPS >>>> a bit fancier image quality), neither is it sensible to go for 1440p (sucks at my work since none of my work software appreciates scaling and I'm a football field away from a display lol). Won't go AM5 because have absolutely no will to buy new cooler and RAM (and 7800X3D exceeds my budget by far too much, not to mention complete absense of reason in AM5 boards pricing in my country. they're literally twice as pricey as in the US). Won't go AM4 because pricing in my country is too crazy to be called just insane.

And 6700 XT is necking me in Cyberpunk but this is some other story. I'd even post a thread about that. 69 FPS @1440p (ver. 1.6) VS 57 FPS @1440p (ver. 1.63) on exact same Ultra no FSR settings. This 20 percent loss is like my 6700 XT just suddenly became 6600 XT or something. And this is not just me, check reviews on TPU from 2021 when 6700 XT competed with 3070 in this game and reviews from today where 6700 XT is obliterated by a cheeky 3060 Ti. I also wanna remind of SMT failure in this title (fixed by 3rd party modders, not by CDPR). Feels like CDPR are willing to do anything to make AMD fanbase shrink.