Starfield discussion thread

[Super Firm Tofu]

does anyone find docking your ship is kind of hard in this game? or am i just dumb?

The process took me a bit to understand/get right. Essentially, move in close enough until you get the 'R to dock' promt and then press R and it should auto-dock. You also need to make sure you have the station/ship you're docking with selected. I think it's "E" to toggle through available targets.

As a side note, I installed Windows on my 12700k/6900XT machine and I see totally different CPU utilization on that box compared to the 13900k/4090. Even usage over all the p-core and e-cores, no cores pegged, and HT for all cores. Not sure if something's wrong with my main box, or it's a difference between Radeon/Nvidia drivers.

 

[Dragam1337]

The process took me a bit to understand/get right. Essentially, move in close enough until you get the 'R to dock' promt and then press R and it should auto-dock. You also need to make sure you have the station/ship you're docking with selected. I think it's "E" to toggle through available targets.

As a side note, I installed Windows on my 12700k/6900XT machine and I see totally different CPU utilization on that box compared to the 13900k/4090. Even usage over all the p-core and e-cores, no cores pegged, and HT for all cores. Not sure if something's wrong with my main box, or it's a difference between Radeon/Nvidia drivers.

Nvidia driver obviously needs more time in the oven - but it's the same thing nearly everytime with these amd sponsored games.

 

[Space Lynx]

I just turned on CAS instead of FSR2, before I had it set to off, looks much nicer now and performance really didn't take a hit. i am getting around 110 fps in the area where you first get your spaceship.

not too bad, def beating gamersnexus benchmarks, im running at medium/high mix though, so meh. still looks great to me though.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Fail, this could have been one of the greatest games ever created, instead it is one of the greatest flops of all time.

That about sums things up..

 

[Space Lynx]

i upped my fan speed to 75% instead of my normal 55% since this game is so demanding, before i was hitting 60 core and 90 hotspot. pretty happy with these numbers, considering my medium OC is also boosting well. xfx builds giant metal cold cards and I love it. give me more metal, oh wait its already all metal...

That about sums things up..

I really think everyone is overblowing things here, its a good game imo from what I have played so far. It's nothing mind blowing true, but its not a flop imo. it also looks really great when you enable CAS. Not to mention the mods that will come over the years for great story experiences and graphics improvements and so on.

One thing no one is talking about, bugs.... I literally have not encountered a single bug in 2 hours of game time. Yet, Baldur's Gate 3 got a patch for over 1000 bugs and everyone gives it a free pass for not being ready at launch, lot of fanboyism going on at the moment imo. No crashes on my end, so not sure what's going on there for a small few people but eh

 

[Easy Rhino]

This is the most fun I have had with an exploration game in awhile.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

First bug. Classic Bethesda. She just slowly sank into the floor while staring at me.

Spoiler: Not Really a Spoiler

 

[Solaris17]

She just slowly sank into the floor while staring at me.

Thats not a bug, welcome to space sweetheart this aint the cub scouts.

 

[Space Lynx]

First bug. Classic Bethesda. She just slowly sank into the floor while staring at me.

Spoiler: Not Really a Spoiler

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let me know when you find 999 more bugs, we need to match baldurs gate 3 in amount

 

[oxrufiioxo]

let me know when you find 999 more bugs, we need to match baldurs gate 3 in amount

I got 99 bugs but an invisible boundary ain't one...

 

[Space Lynx]

I got 99 bugs but an invisible boundary ain't one...

well it's true, google it larian and bethesda both fluctuated around 400 developers making their respective games, bg3 had 3 years of early access to take active real time feedback constantly, and still needed major patches to fix thousands of bugs (major patch 2 with another 1000 bug fixes is incoming)... and we got what 3 total bugs reported here? and a tiny handful of people who have crashes. i don't know, i just think fanboyism is clouding judgement of saying bg3 is the greatest

i like larian as a company and like their games, my problem is with the community, and honestly bg3 isn't amazing in next gen graphics either, just seems like starfield is getting a lot of hate for no reason, at least from my time playing. not referring to our community, mainly referring to pcgamer giving starfield 70 score and bg3 a 97 score

just eh, i am glad it happened this way honestly, i finally understand bias better. people need to learn to be more objective and create better rubrics for how they review things.

 

[lexluthermiester]

First bug. Classic Bethesda. She just slowly sank into the floor while staring at me.

Spoiler: Not Really a Spoiler

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That same thing happened in CyberPunk2077. LOL! GTA5 is famous for this!

its a good game imo from what I have played so far. It's nothing mind blowing true, but its not a flop imo.

Ok, that's fair. I just think it's very janky that ARC was left out. Not cool at all, especially when ARC is shaping up very nicely as a GPU line.

You have a good point with BG3. My main complaint is that the devs have failed ARC owners and that's just not cool.

 

[SK-1]

I'm about 4 hours in and friggin love it so far.

 

[Space Lynx]

That same thing happened in CyberPunk2077. LOL! GTA5 is famous for this!


Ok, that's fair. I just think it's very janky that ARC was left out. Not cool at all, especially when ARC is shaping up very nicely as a GPU line.

You have a good point with BG3. My main complaint is that the devs have failed ARC owners and that's just not cool.

that's fair I suppose, this game was being made and this engine as well when ARC was not even known to exist or would exist, not an excuse with their amount of money and connections in the industry though I know, but anyone buying ARC should know going into it some games won't work, including your entire back log of very old DX9/10 and even some 11 games from what I understand, anyone buying ARC knows its extremely limited in scope, at least that is how I have always seen ARC when I learned it can't even play Dragon Age Origins, one of my favorite games.

 

[Solaris17]

anyone buying ARC knows its extremely limited in scope,

Until you own one, dont say shit like this please. Other than starfield I havent had issues with any of the games in my library I have run on it. From FF XIV, MW3 never winter nights 1, random indies. If you MUST think everything has to have a concern it /might/ be performance though I havent had any issues playing titles at 4k while driving 2 other 4k screens.

straight up, this is the only game I have failed to launch so far.

Thanks.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

3,45Ghz or 4GHz all core boost?

3,45 is on All core always +turbo boosting up to the 4,03 it's OC via BCLK(115 on bus)

 

[Space Lynx]

Until you own one, dont say shit like this please. Other than starfield I havent had issues with any of the games in my library I have run on it. From FF XIV, MW3 never winter nights 1, random indies. If you MUST think everything has to have a concern it /might/ be performance though I havent had any issues playing titles at 4k while driving 2 other 4k screens.

straight up, this is the only game I have failed to launch so far.

Thanks.

Intel states it can't run DX9 games, does it it say that on your Intel ARC box that an uneducated consumer would buy at the store? They didn't run at all before December of last year apparently. False advertising.

With New Driver, Intel Arc GPUs Run Older DirectX 9 Games Up to 79% Faster

Intel creates a native DirectX 9 implementation for several older games, including CounterStrike: Global Offensive and Starcraft 2, to boost their performance.

www.pcmag.com

Every Intel Arc GPU won’t support DirectX 9 natively

Any DX9 game running on an Intel Arc graphics card will instead use the Microsoft D3D9On12 interface, meaning the responsibility of fixes won't be on team blue

www.pcgamesn.com

Every Intel Arc GPU won’t support DirectX 9 natively​

 

[Dr. Dro]

Until you own one, dont say shit like this please. Other than starfield I havent had issues with any of the games in my library I have run on it. From FF XIV, MW3 never winter nights 1, random indies. If you MUST think everything has to have a concern it /might/ be performance though I havent had any issues playing titles at 4k while driving 2 other 4k screens.

straight up, this is the only game I have failed to launch so far.

Thanks.

I don't blame Intel for this one, the sheer amount of AMD middleware and libraries that they are using in the game, I don't think the Bethesda developers even tested any of it against Arc.

Intel states it can't run DX9 games, does it it say that on your Intel ARC box that an uneducated consumer would buy at the store? They didn't run at all before December of last year apparently. False advertising.

With New Driver, Intel Arc GPUs Run Older DirectX 9 Games Up to 79% Faster

Intel creates a native DirectX 9 implementation for several older games, including CounterStrike: Global Offensive and Starcraft 2, to boost their performance.

www.pcmag.com

Every Intel Arc GPU won’t support DirectX 9 natively

Any DX9 game running on an Intel Arc graphics card will instead use the Microsoft D3D9On12 interface, meaning the responsibility of fixes won't be on team blue

www.pcgamesn.com

Every Intel Arc GPU won’t support DirectX 9 natively​

It's non-issue and much of this is just old news, DX9 games ultimately do run on Arc decently enough. If I may be perfectly honest I'd rather put my chips on Intel at this point than ever doing business with AMD again.

 

[Space Lynx]

I don't blame Intel for this one, the sheer amount of AMD middleware and libraries that they are using in the game, I don't think the Bethesda developers even tested any of it against Arc.



It's non-issue and much of this is just old news, DX9 games ultimately do run on Arc decently enough. If I may be perfectly honest I'd rather put my chips on Intel at this point than ever doing business with AMD again.

It does seem like AMD took this one too far, Nvidia sort of did with Cyberpunk 2077 as well. I agreed before and still do that Bethesda with its connections and money should have 100% had support for ARC. I just also feel that ARC buyers kind of know going into it some games won't run, I didn't try ARC because I read Dragon Age Origins wouldn't work, and articles like that PCGamesn article I linked above.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Intel states it can't run DX9 games, does it it say that on your Intel ARC box that an uneducated consumer would buy at the store? They didn't run at all before December of last year apparently. False advertising.

With New Driver, Intel Arc GPUs Run Older DirectX 9 Games Up to 79% Faster

Intel creates a native DirectX 9 implementation for several older games, including CounterStrike: Global Offensive and Starcraft 2, to boost their performance.

www.pcmag.com

Every Intel Arc GPU won’t support DirectX 9 natively

Any DX9 game running on an Intel Arc graphics card will instead use the Microsoft D3D9On12 interface, meaning the responsibility of fixes won't be on team blue

www.pcgamesn.com

Every Intel Arc GPU won’t support DirectX 9 natively​

To be fair, that was at launch, and you're not wrong, it was poor. Since then DX9C support has improved greatly.

Improvements to DirectX 9 Games on Intel® Arc™ Graphics

Intel Arc graphics drivers now have a major update which improves performance in DX9 games like Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and others.

game.intel.com

I don't think the Bethesda developers even tested any of it against Arc.

That's the thing though, they should have. ARC cards now have an 8% market share(depending on where you look). That's not a small number of market presence. And it's getting bigger because of the good value aspect of the cards.

 

[Dr. Dro]

It does seem like AMD took this one too far, Nvidia sort of did with Cyberpunk 2077 as well. I agreed before and still do that Bethesda with its connections and money should have 100% had support for ARC. I just also feel that ARC buyers kind of know going into it some games won't run, I didn't try ARC because I read Dragon Age Origins wouldn't work, and articles like that PCGamesn article I linked above.

Cyberpunk was just bad, its issues couldn't be chalked to Nvidia or anyone but CD Projekt themselves. It launched in a horribly broken state and it left a terrible taste in my mouth. Not sure if you ever saw crowbcat's video on Cyberpunk, as comically awful as it sounds today, every bit of it was true back when it first came out. I never finished or even returned to the game, even though I constantly hear that it's improved plenty. On the other hand, Starfield has been everything I wanted out of Cyberpunk and a little more

As with every new player, Intel's GPU will have some kinks. To their credit, however, they are constantly working, improving, iterating on their software and creating a solid base faster than anyone else. I think they are worthy of being given more than a fair chance, they fully deserve our support. People buying Arc today are largely aware of this, Intel has made no effort to hide that their first-generation product is under heavy development. I don't know about you but if Intel has a good driver for it by the game's official launch in two days as they've promised, then I'm more than happy to let it slide. It's not like the Nvidia driver is super performant (despite working correctly) and AMD unsurprisingly has admitted their driver is broken at launch and listed open issues for the game from the get go.

That's the thing though, they should have. ARC cards now have an 8% market share(depending on where you look). That's not a small number of market presence. And it's getting bigger because of the good value aspect of the cards.

Agreed. But ultimately, not Intel's fault either.

 

[Space Lynx]

To be fair, that was at launch, and you're not wrong, it was poor. Since then DX9C support has improved greatly.

Improvements to DirectX 9 Games on Intel® Arc™ Graphics

Intel Arc graphics drivers now have a major update which improves performance in DX9 games like Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and others.

game.intel.com

That's the thing though, they should have. ARC cards now have an 8% market share(depending on where you look). That's not a small number of market presence. And it's getting bigger because of the good value aspect of the cards.

I don't disagree, as I said Bethesda has no excuse, if they were indie with limited resources I would defend them, but not a giant corp like them.

Cyberpunk was just bad, its issues couldn't be chalked to Nvidia or anyone but CD Projekt themselves. It launched in a horribly broken state and it left a terrible taste in my mouth. Not sure if you ever saw crowbcat's video on Cyberpunk, as comically awful as it sounds today, every bit of it was true back when it first came out. I never finished or even returned to the game, even though I constantly hear that it's improved plenty. On the other hand, Starfield has been everything I wanted out of Cyberpunk and a little more

As with every new player, Intel's GPU will have some kinks. To their credit, however, they are constantly working, improving, iterating on their software and creating a solid base faster than anyone else. I think they are worthy of being given more than a fair chance, they fully deserve our support. People buying Arc today are largely aware of this, Intel has made no effort to hide that their first-generation product is under heavy development. I don't know about you but if Intel has a good driver for it by the game's official launch in two days as they've promised, then I'm more than happy to let it slide. It's not like the Nvidia driver is super performant (despite working correctly) and AMD unsurprisingly has admitted their driver is broken at launch and listed open issues for the game from the get go.



Agreed. But ultimately, not Intel's fault either.

I mean really Intel ARC is only hope for industry advancement, I think AMD and Nvidia are content where they are and not interested in innovation in hardware moving forward. I think we could use some more details on why ARC isn't included at launch for Starfield, my guess is Bethesda is embarrassed how convoluted their Creation Engine 2 is and don't want to admit it.

 

[Solaris17]

I mean really Intel ARC is only hope for industry advancement, I think AMD and Nvidia are content where they are and not interested in innovation in hardware moving forward. I think we could use some more details on why ARC isn't included at launch for Starfield, my guess is Bethesda is embarrassed how convoluted their Creation Engine 2 is and don't want to admit it.

maybe but thats a convo for the news thread. We can talk about starfield here.

 

[JustBenching]

Just tried the game, 4k native with no upscaling and stuff, a 4090 loses even the 60 fps mark sometimes. CPU performance looks fine, no issues on a 12900k, if I drop resolution in order to not get GPU bottlenecked it gets 130-160 fps, haven't gone far yet though.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Just tried the game, 4k native with no upscaling and stuff, a 4090 loses even the 60 fps mark sometimes. CPU performance looks fine, no issues on a 12900k, if I drop resolution in order to not get GPU bottlenecked it gets 130-160 fps, haven't gone far yet though.

CPU performance isn't fine lol, it's what's bogging the game down. It wastes >80% of the CPU cycles it consumes just flushing the pipeline, it's all machine clears. Try the Intel vtune profiler on your setup, see if you can replicate my results earlier in the thread