AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT

[ARF]

We'll keep going in circles if we keep arguing about the 4060ti vs 7800XT thing, neither side will listen to the other, we've all made our points and have our reasons to believe what we believe, let's just move on, we are getting nowhere with this.

Why do you even compare them? These are cards from quite different performance and price levels.
I know the current launch is super boring but let's talk about something meaningful, shall we?

 

[Taisho]

No use arguing with people that are obviously biased towards Nvidias side and will use every small detail in order to talk AMD down

A week ago, I retired my GTX 950. MSI Gaming X 6650 XT came as a replacement. Video playback power draw at 30W, breaking my fanless idle immersion. Screen tearing when scrolling the websites, non-fixable with V-sync or Radeon Enhanced Sync or Chill. The GPU was to be returned anyway because one of the fans was a bit broken and louder than the other, and the coil whine was audible outside of the room in a closed non-mesh case (could AMD's high voltages contribute to it?). Without regret, I ordered an Asus Dual 4060 on a promo at 295 euros. After swapping and uninstalling AMD drivers, it came out that my shutdown times decreased from 10-15 seconds to 2-3. I was naive to initially blame Windows 11 for this. I then used AMD Cleanup Utility. It supposedly did what it should but the option to generate a report simply doesn't work - very telling of the whole AMD experience.

I'm the kind of person that always cheers for the underdogs. But I'm also not one for beta-testing products and standing insults like encountering the same problems in the drivers that remain not fixed for years and through different GPU generations. I guess that my personal experience resulting in me never considering AMD GPU as a purchase option ever again, makes me just another NVIDIA fanboy.

 

[gffermari]

...so to sum up, the 7800XT is a 6700XT replacement.
There's no replacement for 6800XT.
4060Ti 16GB does not compete with the 7800XT. The latter is way faster. (The 4060TI 16GB should be the only 4060Ti.)
But nVidia knows that this model is a special one for those who need CUDA and a truckload of VRAM, so its price is justified (by nVidia).

The naming is atrocious for most RDNA3 and Ada gpus. I think they beat Intel this time.

I don't like the 7800XT as I didn't like the 6800XT much. But it's decent enough and it would be better if it was cheaper.
I would pick a 4070 with its limitations etc. instead but not a chance a 4060Ti.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I don't like the 7800XT as I didn't like the 6800XT much. But it's decent enough and it would be better if it was cheaper.
I would pick a 4070 with its limitations etc. instead but not a chance a 4060Ti.

I think the 4060ti is so bad that this Card is going to be the darling of this generation for AMD they smartly for once priced it with some decent clearance of the 4070. This card is the closes we have gotten to pre pandemic pricing imo, Hopefully AMD see's this and learns from it if they just drop a card about 20% in price from it's closes Rasterized performance competitor it will sell well and in general garner positive reviews.

If you look at the 7700XT while not a bad card the reaction has almost been the opposite. Although that depends on the region.

 

[Chrispy_]

4060Ti 16GB does not compete with the 7800XT. The latter is way faster. (The 4060TI 16GB should be the only 4060Ti.)
But nVidia knows that this model is a special one for those who need CUDA and a truckload of VRAM, so its price is justified (by nVidia).

That's why I'm buying 4060Ti 16GB cards in bulk.

They're not even good in CUDA apps because their bandwidth is so atrocious, but the point is that they do have 16GB of VRAM, so if you need both CUDA and 16GB, regardless of speed, it's the cheapest option despite being garbage value. The old 3060 12GB is usually faster at close to half the price, but for datasets that exceed 12GB they're unusable, so that's the end of that.

 

[theouto]

I think the 4060ti is so bad that this Card is going to be the darling of this generation for AMD they smartly for once priced it with some decent clearance of the 4070. This card is the closes we have gotten to pre pandemic pricing imo, Hopefully AMD see's this and learns from it if they just drop a card about 20% in price from it's closes Rasterized performance competitor it will sell well and in general garner positive reviews.

If you look at the 7700XT while not a bad card the reaction has almost been the opposite. Although that depends on the region.

Funny how the 7700XT's problem is the price, because it's clear to all of us that it was used as an upsell to the 7800XT, rather than to compete with the 4060ti. If it instead occupied the same price bracket as the 4060ti 8GB, the 7700XT would've been outstanding value, and would've also cemented AMDs dominance in the lower end price range, or at least in what you should probably buy, some people with specific needs will of course go the 4060ti 16GB, like with what Chrispy_ mentioned, or other people will buy nvidia because brand power is too strong, whatever the case may be it's still a major missed opportunity from AMD that just makes the 7700XT be a very "why bother" gpu

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Funny how the 7700XT's problem is the price, because it's clear to all of us that it was used as an upsell to the 7800XT, rather than to compete with the 4060ti. If it instead occupied the same price bracket as the 4060ti 8GB, the 7700XT would've been outstanding value, and would've also cemented AMDs dominance in the lower end price range, or at least in what you should probably buy, some people with specific needs will of course go the 4060ti 16GB, like with what Chrispy_ mentioned, or other people will buy nvidia because brand power is too strong, whatever the case may be it's still a major missed opportunity from AMD that just makes the 7700XT be a very "why bother" gpu

Yeah and as bad as the 4060ti is the 7700XT only offers 15% more performance and less vram at the 450 mark. For sure at 399 usd it would be a winner. I won't be surprised if it drops to that in a couple months at least in the states. I still like it better than the 4060ti 16GB personally but it doesn't make sense not to just spend the 50 usd more on the 7800XT.

Also Kudos to AMD their slides set expectation pretty well this time compared to the 7900 series launch

 

[AusWolf]

Back to the technicalities... (if you're not interested, skip this post)

The review says the Navi 32 GPU has 4 shader arrays. That brings us to 960 shaders, or 15 CUs per array. Considering that CUs come in pairs with RDNA 3, this doesn't compute.

However, according to an article on wccftech.com, the GPU has 3 shader arrays, which means 20 CUs per array, that is 1280 shaders per array.

@W1zzard - Not that it matters much, I just thought I'd bring this to your attention. Great review anyway, as always!

 

[Xuper]

If you want video processing, you're still buying the 4060 Ti due to AMD's limitations with 4:2:2 video, and it will also run FSR 3 and DLSS FG. FSR 3 will also run on the 6800 XT, so this doesn't really apply.

What's limitation? Please provide source

 

[Winssy]

Only 3% faster than 6800xt? Great improvement by AMD here
And don't say that the 7800xt has a lower recommended retail price. AMD has been selling the 6800xt for the same $500-550 for a year now.
AMD should have named its cards as follows:
7900xtx - 7900xt
7900xt - 7900
7900gre - 7800xt
7800xt - 7800

 

[AusWolf]

Only 3% faster than 6800xt? Great improvement by AMD here
And don't say that the 7800xt has a lower recommended retail price. AMD has been selling the 6800xt for the same $500-550 for a year now.

The only thing is that the 6800 XT is running out of stock everywhere, and is more power hungry. Other than that, this whole current AMD and Nvidia generation is a joke, except for the 7900 XTX and 4090 (not considering its ridiculous price). Only that AMD didn't increase prices compared to last gen, which is... acceptable, I guess?

 

[XXxx2444]

Rtx 4070 or rx 7800xt ?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Rtx 4070 or rx 7800xt ?

Depends on what is more important to you slightly more raster and more vram at a higher power draw with the 7800XT or better RT and Upscaling at a lower power draw with the 4070.

The 7800XT being 100 usd cheaper will be the deciding factor for most but assuming price is irrelevant those are the things you have to weight and with every buyer it's going to be different.

 

[AusWolf]

Depends on what is more important to you slightly more raster and more vram at a higher power draw with the 7800XT or better RT and Upscaling at a lower power draw with the 4070.

The 7800XT being 100 usd cheaper will be the deciding factor for most but assuming price is irrelevant those are the things you have to weight and with every buyer it's going to be different.

It's 100 USD cheaper, it isn't slower in most games, and has more VRAM. In my opinion, it's a no-brainer.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It's 100 USD cheaper, it isn't slower in most games, and has more VRAM. In my opinion, it's a no-brainer.

I still went with the 4070 over it but 7800XT is also pretty great. Again every buyer is different. Although 100 usd is irrelevant to me to most that is going to be a huge deciding factor.

 

[AusWolf]

What's wrong with ASUS these days?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

What's wrong with ASUS these days?
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Oddly the TUF in the US was priced pretty damn good it sold out first I believe on Newegg.

 

[ARF]

Rtx 4070 or rx 7800xt ?

12 GB vs 16 GB.

16 GB all day long.
If you repeat the question in one or two years when the VRAM bottleneck will strike and RTX 4070 / 4070 Ti will both be relegated to lower performance tiers, it will be a no-brainer, 100 out of 100 users will say go for the fine wine and the proven more VRAM capacity.

But, maybe you should instead consider the RX 6950 XT (~20% faster than RTX 4070 12GB today) and downclock it to save power.

 

[Winssy]

Other than that, this whole current AMD and Nvidia generation is a joke, except for the 7900 XTX and 4090

True. But the 4080 is also a good card, except for the price, of course.

The only thing is that the 6800 XT is running out of stock everywhere

Certainly, this is happening now due to the release of the new generation of cards, and AMD doesn't need internal competition. However, over the past 10-12 months, you could have purchased the 6800xt for $500-550. If someone decided not to buy the 6800xt for $500-550 six months ago, while waiting for the 7800XT, they must be quite disappointed now.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

True. But the 4080 is also a good card, except for the price, of course.

Honestly there are a lot of good cards this generation with just bad pricing. It's been the theme of this year.

 

[AusWolf]

True. But the 4080 is also a good card, except for the price, of course.

Every card is a good card, if not for the price.

Certainly, this is happening now due to the release of the new generation of cards, and AMD doesn't need internal competition. However, over the past 10-12 months, you could have purchased the 6800xt for $500-550. If someone decided not to buy the 6800xt for $500-550 six months ago, while waiting for the 7800XT, they must be quite disappointed now.

Well, you still get lower power consumption, and potentially heat (if that makes you feel better).

 

[theouto]

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me about the 4070 vs 6950XT debate, which also showcases that the 4070 is a very, very weirdly positioned GPU in terms of pricing, the GPU itself is good, but like we've been saying for the entire generation "It should've been priced lower" - Everyone, when talking about every gpu launch

 

[kapone32]

Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me about the 4070 vs 6950XT debate, which also showcases that the 4070 is a very, very weirdly positioned GPU in terms of pricing, the GPU itself is good, but like we've been saying for the entire generation "It should've been priced lower" - Everyone, when talking about every gpu launch

Where I live the cheapest 4070 is $800. The cheapest 6950XT is $800 and the cheapest 7800XT is $600. In that scenario I would get the 7800XT all day long. Paying $800 for 12GB of VRAM just seems foolish in this age of Consoles for less money with more VRAM like a PS5 for $649.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Where I live the cheapest 4070 is $800. The cheapest 6950XT is $800 and the cheapest 7800XT is $600. In that scenario I would get the 7800XT all day long. Paying $800 for 12GB of VRAM just seems foolish in this age of Consoles for less money with more VRAM like a PS5 for $649.

Can you link that 600 cad 7800XT that would be like 440 us.

 

[MarsM4N]

The cost per frame is about users who care, I doubt that any or most of the nvidia buyers care that their cards are more expensive.

The cost/frame just isn't the most decisive factor for everyone. If you live in a country with high electricity costs the "good deal" of a 7800 XT becomes quickly a not so good deal. Plus the extra heat, noise & missing features. I also have seen first complains about horrendous coil whine on the Asus model. But sure, comparing the 7800 XT to the RTX 4070 in cost/frame, the 7800 XT is the clear winner.

I am however not convinced by any of those 2 cards. The performance uplift to previous gen just isn't there. Both cards already struggling to maintain 60FPS in modern games at UWQHD/WQHD resolutions. Personally I would save up for a 4080, maybe wait for the 4080ti refresh. When the price comes down to €900 for the 4080 that would be a region I could justify spending for. Also sub RTX 4080 and 7900 XT cards aren't in for a glorious future at +UWQHD/WQHD performance wise. Just fine for 1080p.