Intel Core i5-14600K

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

It's a bad example cause you are comparing different cpus. Computer base has tested a bunch of applications in different power limits, a 13600k @ 65w is faster than a 7700 @ 88w across the board. The 14600k will just widen the gap. Please, stop with the misinformation.

You have a 7700. Try to get a cbr23 score of 24k and tell me how much wattage was needed.

Heck, even the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D' completely destroys the 'Intel Corre i9-14900K' in performance when the 'Core 19-14900K' gets capped to 80w which is the same power usage as the 'Ryzen 7 7800X3D'.

What makes you think it will not be the same when we goes to the lower tier 'Ryzen 7 7700' against the 'Core i5-14600K' in the same way?

Not only that, but the 'Ryzen 7 7700' CPU uses 65w and not 80w.

 

[JustBenching]

Heck, even the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D' completely destroys the 'Intel Corre i9-14900K' in performance when the 'Core 19-14900K' gets capped to 80w which is the same power usage as the 'Ryzen 7 7800X3D'.

What makes you think it will not be the same when we goes to the lower tier 'Ryzen 7 7700' against the 'Core i5-14600K' in the same way?

Not only that, but the 'Ryzen 7 7700' CPU uses 65w and not 80w.

65w is the TDP. Power draw on amd cpus is 1.35x the tdp. What makes me think is the fact that computer base TESTED IT. A 13600k at 65w poops on a 7700 @ 88w in both performance and efficiency. Stop trying to prove something that is not true. The 14600k has way more cores and it does much better in both multi and single threaded workloads at same power.

I've asked you repeatedly but you kept dodging, you have the 7700, just TEST it. Try to match the 24k cbr23 score of the 14600k. Tell me how it went

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

65w is the TDP. Power draw on amd cpus is 1.35x the tdp. What makes me think is the fact that computer base TESTED IT. A 13600k at 65w poops on a 7700 @ 88w in both performance and efficiency. Stop trying to prove something that is not true. The 14600k has way more cores and it does much better in both multi and single threaded workloads at same power.

I've asked you repeatedly but you kept dodging, you have the 7700, just TEST it. Try to match the 24k cbr23 score of the 14600k. Tell me how it went

Still doesn't change the fact that the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D' destroys the 'Intel Core i9-14900K' when they both runs on the same 80w TDP power usage.

And the 'Intel Core i9-14900K still has a maximum turbo power (MTP) of 253w max power usage while the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D' has a 162w PPT max power usage here. A Massive difference. The same goes for the lower tier AMD and Intel CPU's as well.

Edit: If you power limit the 'Core i5-14600K' to 65w TDP or 83-85w PPT max power usage like the Ryzen 7 7700' uses, then the 'Core i5-14600K' with it's 125w TDP or 181w MTP stands no chance in CBR23.

Yes, i'm comparing the 'power usage / performance' ratio here. AMD is unbeatable here by a loooong way.

EDIT 2: Ofc as little power usage as possible on a CPU in a Mini-ITX case is very important if you want to have a working computer for more than 6 months. Cooking the rest of the computer because of a lava hot cooking plate of a CPU, is not what I would call a long term 'reliability'.

 

[JustBenching]

Still doesn't change the fact that the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D' destroys the 'Intel Core i9-14900K' when they both runs on the same 80w TDP power usage.

And the 'Intel Core i9-14900K still has a maximum turbo power (MTP) of 253w max power usage while the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D' has a 162w PPT max power usage here. A Massive difference. The same goes for the lower tier AMD and Intel CPU's as well.

Edit: If you power limit the 'Core i5-14600K' to 65w TDP or 83-85w PPT max power usage like the Ryzen 7 7700' uses, then the 'Core i5-14600K' with it's 125w TDP or 181w MTP stands no chance in CBR23.

Yes, i'm comparing the 'power usage / performance' ratio here. AMD is unbeatable here by a loooong way.

EDIT 2: Ofc as little power usage as possible on a CPU in a Mini-ITX case is very important if you want to have a working computer for more than 6 months. Cooking the rest of the computer because of a lava hot cooking plate of a CPU, is not what I would call a long term 'reliability'.

Why are you now comparing different cpus? You were talking about the 7700 compared to the 14600k. The 14600k absolutely destroys the 7700 at any wattage point. Just stop it already man.

Post your score in cbr23 at whatever wattage you want and let's compare it to a 13600k at same wattage. Go ahead prove your point

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Why are you now comparing different cpus? You were talking about the 7700 compared to the 14600k. The 14600k absolutely destroys the 7700 at any wattage point. Just stop it already man

It doesn't. It doesn't even comes remotely close to perform as good as the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7700' CPU at 65w TDP when the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' is capped at 65w TDP.

I was using the other AMD AM5 CPUs against the new 14th gen Intel CPUs as examples and as a point of reference to the other lower tier CPUs from AMD and Intel.

When the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' (at 125w TDP / 181w MTP) is only 4.3-4.4% better in games at 1440p and 4k resolution and 9.7% better in program performance over the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7700' CPU (at 65w TDP / 83-85w PPT). What do you think happens when you cut the TDP of 125w or 181w MTP in half on the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' and compares that to the small gain of 4.3-4.4% better performance in games at 1440p and 4k and 9.7% better performance in programs the Core i5-14600K has at full power (125w TDP / 181w MTP)?

You don't have to be a f***ing genious to figure out what happens then. Or do you think the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' CPU doesn't lose more than 4-5% in performance in total by cutting the TDP / MTP on it in half?

If that's the case, what is the whole point of running that CPU at 125w TDP then when you can just run it at 65w TDP at almost indentical performance?

The only small advantage the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' CPU have over the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7700' CPU is a tiny bit better 'price / performance' ratio.

Go figure and stop being an Intel fanboy.

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

$320, performs a little better than the 13th gen i5 it "replaces", supports Intel 600 Series boards, backward compatible with DDR4 and supporting the "slowest" DDR5-5600 and whatnot. I say this is the new mid-high end CPU king, especially for those who want to save every buck they can.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

@W1zzard . For the future. Can you do some performance tests on 'Intel' CPUs with the power limited to the same power usage as some of the newer 'AMD' CPUs has to compare those CPUs to see how the performance is between them is when the TDP / PPT / MTP is at the same level?

The power usage on those 'Intel' and AMD' CPUs are so massively different that it would be really interesting to see how they perform under the same power usages.

As example. In the future when the 'Intel Core Ultra 7' (the new naming on the Intel i7 CPUs in the future) comes out, then just compare that to the next 'AMD Ryzen 7 8700' CPU to the same power usages between them.

 

[W1zzard]

For the future. Can you do some performance tests on 'Intel' CPUs with the power limited to the same power usage as some of the newer 'AMD' CPUs has to compare those CPUs to see how the performance is when the TDP / PPT / MTP is at the same level?

Performance will be terrible. I will rather look into an article that tests what can be done to improve efficiency with minimal compromises in performance

 

[JustBenching]

It doesn't. It doesn't even comes remotely close to perform as good as the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7700' CPU at 65w TDP when the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' is capped at 65w TDP.

I was using the other AMD AM5 CPUs against the new 14th gen Intel CPUs as examples and as a point of reference to the other lower tier CPUs from AMD and Intel.

When the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' (at 125w TDP / 181w MTP) is only 4.3-4.4% better in games at 1440p and 4k resolution and 9.7% better in program performance over the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7700' CPU (at 65w TDP / 83-85w PPT). What do you think happens when you cut the TDP of 125w or 181w MTP in half on the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' and compares that to the small gain of 4.3-4.4% better performance in games at 1440p and 4k and 9.7% better performance in programs the Core i5-14600K has at full power (125w TDP / 181w MTP)?

You don't have to be a f***ing genious to figure out what happens then. Or do you think the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' CPU doesn't lose more than 4-5% in performance in total by cutting the TDP / MTP on it in half?

If that's the case, what is the whole point of running that CPU at 125w TDP then when you can just run it at 65w TDP at almost indentical performance?

The only small advantage the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' CPU have over the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7700' CPU is a tiny bit better 'price / performance' ratio.

Go figure and stop being an Intel fanboy.

Again, you have the freaking cpu, why don't you actually test? We know why, cause you know I'm right. The 14600k demolishes the 7700 at same wattages in MT workloads.

This is a 12700 at 65w, scores 16k. The 14600k would be close to 18-19k at 65w

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Again, you have the freaking cpu, why don't you actually test? We know why, cause you know I'm right. The 14600k demolishes the 7700 at same wattages in MT workloads.

Do you have any proof other than your own opinion here?

You lose more than 5-10% of performance on that Intel CPU by cutting the power usage on it in half. You can't be that dense and deny that fact. And if the Intel CPU here lose more than 10% in performance by cutting the power usage on it in half, then the 7700 is already faster / better than the 14600K in every single points.

Or do you think I can just cut the power usage on my 'Ryzen 7 7700' CPU in half to 32.5w and expect it to perform almost as good as it does on full power?

Again, you don't have to be a genious to see that the 14600K at 125w will lose WAAAAAAY more than 10% performance when you cut it's power usage in half. And as that's the reality, the 14600K stands no freaking chance against the 7700 in anything at the same 65w TDP power usage on both CPUs.

EDIT: Even @W1zzard says the performance on the Intel CPUs will be terrible if they run at the same power usage as the AMD CPUs. So there you go.

EDIT 2: The performance gains from the 12700K to the 14700k is very little. It's around 5-6% in most tasks. And 16.017 + 5% is 16.818 points. So far from 18-19k as you say.

 

[bug]

$320, performs a little better than the 13th gen i5 it "replaces", supports Intel 600 Series boards, backward compatible with DDR4 and supporting the "slowest" DDR5-5600 and whatnot. I say this is the new mid-high end CPU king, especially for those who want to save every buck they can.

Yeah, it was rumored to launch at close to $400, which would have sucked. But at $320 MSRP (i.e. soon $300 or slightly below street price), it's actually a compelling upgrade from my 12600k. I'm not sure I'll pull the trigger on one, I don't really need the extra HP, but I can see how other would.

@fevgatos You went hook, line and sinker for @Dronekongen Fra Ålesund red herring. Nobody is supposed to upgrade from a 7700 to a 14600k. It's an obvious sidegrade even if one can be slightly ahead of the other in some scenarios. This series is meant as nothing more than a bit more back for your buck compared to the original RPL.

 

[JustBenching]

Do you have any proof other than your own opinion here?

You lose more than 5-10% of performance on that Intel CPU by cutting the power usage on it in half. You can't be that dense and deny that fact. And if the Intel CPU here lose more than 10% in performance by cutting the power usage on it in half, then the 7700 is already faster / better than the 14600K in every single points.

Or do you think I can just cut the power usage on my 'Ryzen 7 7700' CPU in half to 32.5w and expect it to perform almost as good as it does on full power?

Again, you don't have to be a genious to see that the 14600K at 125w will lose WAAAAAAY more than 10% performance when you cut it's power usage in half. And as that's the reality, the 14600K stands no freaking chance against the 7700 in anything at the same 65w TDP power usage on both CPUs.

EDIT: Even @W1zzard says the performance on the Intel CPUs will be terrible if they run at the same power usage as the AMD CPUs. So there you go.

Ive posted you a link from hwunboxed review. A 12700 at 65w scores 16k. A 14600k would be closer to 19k in cbr23.

Cutting the power draw in half might lose you 0% performance because not all applications use the whole power. Wizard uses a lot of single threaded or lightly threaded tasks where the 14600k doesn't draw 180w.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Ive posted you a link from hwunboxed review. A 12700 at 65w scores 16k. A 14600k would be closer to 19k in cbr23.

Cutting the power draw in half might lose you 0% performance because not all applications use the whole power. Wizard uses a lot of single threaded or lightly threaded tasks where the 14600k doesn't draw 180w.

Read my 'EDIT 2' in the same post.

Also, as 'der8auer' in the video link I posted earlier, you lose a HUGE amount of performance by limiting the 14900K to 80 watt TDP in games. Same will apply to the 14600K and 14700K as well.

 

[JustBenching]

Read my 'EDIT 2' in the same post.

Page 22 of the review has power draw in the whole suite of applications. As you can see in most tests the 14600k draws less than 100w, so limiting the power will not lower performance. Self explanatory.

The 14600k is way more efficient than the 7700 when you run both at similar wattages. I've asked you for the 10th time, run a cbr23 and post your score and power draw.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Page 22 of the review has power draw in the whole suite of applications. As you can see in most tests the 14600k draws less than 100w, so limiting the power will not lower performance. Self explanatory.

The 14600k is way more efficient than the 7700 when you run both at similar wattages. I've asked you for the 10th time, run a cbr23 and post your score and power draw.

When you look at the 'Power Consumption' under 'Applications (47 Tests Average)', here the '7900' (same power usage as the 7700) uses 54w while the 14600K uses 93w.

Then you look at the same under 'Gaming (13 Tests Average)', here the '7900' (same power usage as the 7700) uses 64w while the 14600K uses 76w. And when you look under the 'Multi-Threaded Efficiency (Points per watt)' chart, the 7900 is on top there while the 14600K is way down on that list.

So where do you get it from that the 14600K is as power efficient as the 7700 / 7900 from?

EDIT: Read this: Ryzen 9 7900 at 22W CPU (44W PPT) : Amd (reddit.com)

At 34w TDP / 50w PPT, this 7900 already crushes the 14600K at stock power usage.

 

[JustBenching]

When you look at the 'Power Consumption' under 'Applications (47 Tests Average)', here the '7900' (same power usage as the 7700) uses 54w while the 14600K uses 93w.

Then you look at the same under 'Gaming (13 Tests Average)', here the '7900' (same power usage as the 7700) uses 64w while the 14600K uses 76w. And when you look under the 'Multi-Threaded Efficiency (Points per watt)' chart, the 7900 is on top there while the 14600K is way down on that list.

So where do you get it from that the 14600K is as power efficient as the 7700 / 7900 from?

EDIT: Read this: Ryzen 9 7900 at 22W CPU (44W PPT) : Amd (reddit.com)

At 34w TDP / 50w PPT, this 7900 already crushes the 14600K.

I never mentioned the 7900 though. You keep making stuff up. You originally compared it to the 7700. The 7700 gets blasted at similar power draw. It has way less cores and it stands no chance whether in Mt or st efficiency or performance.

The 7700 loses in efficiency to the 12700, and that's from 2 generations ago. The 14600k is way ahead and you know it, else you would just freaking test it already since you do have the 7700

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

I never mentioned the 7900 though. You keep making stuff up. You originally compared it to the 7700. The 7700 gets blasted at similar power draw. It has way less cores and it stands no chance whether in Mt or st efficiency or performance.

The 7700 loses in efficiency to the 12700, and that's from 2 generations ago. The 14600k is way ahead and you know it, else you would just freaking test it already since you do have the 7700

I mention 7900 as it uses the same power as the 7700.

And where is this chart that you uses that says the 7700 loses in efficiency to the 12700?

I however told you why the 14600K loses badly to the 7700 when both runs at the same 65w TDP. You just compares them side by side by running at full power usage, which it not what i'm talking about.

 

[JustBenching]

I mention 7900 as it uses the same power as the 7700.

And where is this chart that you uses that says the 7700 loses in efficiency to the 12700?

I however told you why the 14600K loses badly to the 7700 when both runs at the same 65w TDP.

Dude whatever, either post your score and power draw with your 7700 or just move on. I'm not going to reply to you anymore unless you post your score. This is too much.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Dude whatever, either post your score and power draw with your 7700 or just move on. I'm not going to reply to you anymore unless you post your score. This is too much.

When you compare the performance on the 14600K at full power usage against the 7700 at full power usage, then that's not what i'm talking about.

I'm talking about the performance on both CPUs running at 65w TDP. Here the 7700 will run circles around the 14600K any days of the week.

You said that most programs wont use the full power of the 14600K anyways. Same goes for the 7700 as well. So while most programs wont use more than 100w on the 14600K, then most programs on the 7700 wont use more than 40-50w then, because they wont use the full 65w TDP power of the 7700 here as well.

EDIT: My 7700 runs at 5.5 Ghz overclocked at max while using 105w PPT. This is with a 80 degree celcius limit on the CPU. Gonna download Cinebench R23 and do a test run soon.

 

[Frozoken]

I tested at least 5 different 13th gen CPUs and each of them (including 13600K, 13700K and 13900K) had at least 200 Mhz headroom. I made one 13900K run at 6200 MHz and pass single thread cinebench run.

Cinebench single threaded is like the most atrociously soft test of "stability". They could probably reach near if not a full 6ghz all core with that . Not to mention single threaded frequency is basically meaningless for performance. The 13600k last gen was notorious for having essentially the exact same stable all core frequency (the thing that matters for performance) as the 13900k despite 400mhz less at stock. The refresh seems to be the exact same story but +100-200mhz on everything.

 

[JustBenching]

When you compare the performance on the 14600K at full power usage against the 7700 at full power usage, then that's not what i'm talking about.

I'm talking about the performance on both CPUs running at 65w TDP. Here the 7700 will run circles around the 14600K any days of the week.

You said that most programs wont use the full power of the 14600K anyways. Same goes for the 7700 as well. So while most programs wont use more than 100w on the 14600K, then most programs on the 7700 wont use more than 40-50w then, because they wont use the full 65w TDP power of the 7700 here as well.

EDIT: My 7700 runs at 5.5 Ghz overclocked at max while using 105w PPT. This is with a 80 degree celcius limit on the CPU. Gonna download Cinebench R23 and do a test run soon.

Blablabla, just post your run, the 14600k will poop all over a 7700 at same power.

 

[Frozoken]

It doesn't. It doesn't even comes remotely close to perform as good as the 'AMD Ryzen 7 7700' CPU at 65w TDP when the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' is capped at 65w TDP.

What do you think happens when you cut the TDP of 125w or 181w MTP in half on the 'Intel Core i5-14600K' and compares that to the small gain of 4.3-4.4% better performance in games at 1440p and 4k and 9.7% better performance in programs the Core i5-14600K has at full power (125w TDP / 181w MTP)?

You don't have to be a f***ing genious to figure out what happens then.

Idk buddy seeing in gaming the 14600k averages 75w, limiting it to 65w tdp (actually 85w) like the ryzen 7700 would probably do next to nothing . Also about why the power limit is set higher if it doesn't impact gaming performance, maybe for literally anything other than gaming that uses way more? "You don't have to be a f***ing 'genious' to figure that out." As you would say.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

Blablabla, just post your run, the 14600k will poop all over a 7700 at same power.

I hear you say it, but I still haven't seen any proofs of that yet.

Cutting the power usage on the 14600K in half will dramaticly reduce the performance on it in many tasks. Or do you say that I can cut the power usage on the 7700 in half as well and still have almost the same performance on it as I have with full power, just because most programs wont use all of the power of the CPU anyways?

 

[JustBenching]

I hear you say it, but I still haven't seen any proofs of that yet.

Cutting the power usage on the 14600K in half will dramaticly reduce the performance on it in many tasks. Or do you say that I can cut the power usage on the 7700 in half as well and still have almost the same performance on it as I have with full power, just because most programs wont use all of the power of the CPU anyways?

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. The 7700 has half the power of the 7700x with very similar performance.

 

[bug]

I hear you say it, but I still haven't seen any proofs of that yet.

Cutting the power usage on the 14600K in half will dramaticly reduce the performance on it in many tasks. Or do you say that I can cut the power usage on the 7700 in half as well and still have almost the same performance on it as I have with full power, just because most programs wont use all of the power of the CPU anyways?

Look here: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/...er-lake-tested-at-various-power-limits/2.html
You can go from 241W all the way to 100W and only lose 15%. Not dramatic at all, considering the TDP is more than halved. For 4k gaming you lose practically nothing.