Opinions on AI

[iameatingjam]

I don't know if it matters what I think... Its clearly here to stay.

 

[Deleted member 234997]

As a Silent Generation person who is nearly dead, I also saw Termintor.
No.

 

[AusWolf]

I don't know if it matters what I think...

Probably not to the industry, but this is a forum, have your say.

 

[lexluthermiester]

As a Silent Generation person who is nearly dead, I also saw Termintor.
No.

While that is truly something to keep in mind, let's be real, that level of "AI" is more than a decade away, as least. We have time to plan.

Probably not to the industry, but this is a forum, have your say.

Well said. However...

It should be noted, TPU is a forum location that many industry insiders come to "lurk" for insights and even ideas. So our "opinions" do have the potential to be heard and have impact.

Why do you think I'm so provocative and out-spoken on some subjects?

 

[AusWolf]

Well said. However...

It should be noted, TPU is a forum location that many industry insiders come to "lurk" for insights and even ideas. So our "opinions" do have the potential to be heard and have impact.

Why do you think I'm so provocative and out-spoken on some subjects?

All the more reason to voice your opinion!

 

[Hyderz]

i predict this future "ai" is going to go into the fast food industry, McDonald's is going to be unmanned with a daily visit of an engineer to troubleshoot and do maintenance...

 

[Assimilator]

As a Silent Generation person who is nearly dead, I also saw Termintor.
No.

The likelihood of Terminator happening is infinitesimal. There's zero chance of it happening with today's dumb-as-rocks LLMs.

i predict this future "ai" is going to go into the fast food industry, McDonald's is going to be unmanned with a daily visit of an engineer to troubleshoot and do maintenance...

Which is exactly how it should be. The whole point of technology is to kill shitty dead-end jobs like fast food workers', so that those people can move into better jobs that pay more.

The problem is that the corporations putting people out of jobs with technology, are not investing the profits they make from reducing workforce, into upskilling/reskilling workers - they're keeping those profits for themselves. That has to change, but won't as long as capitalism is still held up as the One True Way.

 

[AusWolf]

i predict this future "ai" is going to go into the fast food industry, McDonald's is going to be unmanned with a daily visit of an engineer to troubleshoot and do maintenance...

Like in the movie Idiocracy?

Which is exactly how it should be. The whole point of technology is to kill shitty dead-end jobs like fast food workers', so that those people can move into better jobs that pay more.

The problem is that the corporations putting people out of jobs with technology, are not investing the profits they make from reducing workforce, into upskilling/reskilling workers - they're keeping those profits for themselves. That has to change, but won't as long as capitalism is still held up as the One True Way.

While I completely agree with you, I think we also have to mention the customer experience, which I think is only good if those machines work as intended - which is rarely the case nowadays, with shop assistants constantly having to butt in whenever the automatic till doesn't measure the weight of your stuff properly (although it can change with AI). Some may argue that human interaction is preferable when shopping.

 

[Assimilator]

While I completely agree with you, I think we also have to mention the customer experience, which I think is only good if those machines work as intended - which is rarely the case nowadays, with shop assistants constantly having to butt in whenever the automatic till doesn't measure the weight of your stuff properly (although it can change with AI).

The only time I've has problems with the self-checkout weighing at Tesco is when the checkout is faulty, at which point I've just switched to another one. The only human interaction required is when I buy something that's age-restricted. Which is stupid, because the human who approves that purchase never checks my ID, they just wave it through regardless, so the "check" is pointless; it's just there as a box-ticking exercise to prevent Tesco from getting into trouble.

And I recently switched to a different Tesco which uses scan-as-you-shop, which is fantastic. Still has the human-age-verification requirement, but no more weighing or packing your shopping at the end; you pack as you go, and your sole interaction at the end of the trip (apart from the possible human approver) is to make payment.

I'm absolutely convinced that the people who whine about self-checkouts and scan-as-you-shop are the chronically lazy, and/or those whose lives are so sad that the power trip they get from requiring a cashier to pack their shopping into bags, is all they live for. Neither is a valid excuse against progress.

Some may argue that human interaction is preferable when shopping.

What those people are actually saying is "I want my hand to be held because I am a child who can't be bothered to learn simple new technology", which isn't an argument. I have no time for such nonsense - and thankfully, neither does evolution.

 

[AusWolf]

What those people are actually saying is "I want my hand to be held because I am a child who can't be bothered to learn simple new technology", which isn't an argument. I have no time for such nonsense - and thankfully, neither does evolution.

It's not just about holding hands. Some people like having a few words with the cashier even if it's not related to their actual shopping. Personally, I'm not a big fan of pointless chit-chat with strangers (moreover, I absolutely hate it when people hold up the line/queue by talking about the weather), but I see their point. If nothing else, a smile can make one's day 1% better.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's not just about holding hands. Some people like having a few words with the cashier even if it's not related to their actual shopping.

I'm one of them. I like the personal interaction. This is why I am boycotting Taco Bell currently. They have gone to an all kiosk thing in their lobby which I find COMPLETELY unacceptable. TBell was my fav fast food joint. Not anymore, that crap is a hard-core deal-breaker. Where that kind of automation and AI is concerned, Hell No!

 

[Assimilator]

It's not just about holding hands. Some people like having a few words with the cashier even if it's not related to their actual shopping. Personally, I'm not a big fan of pointless chit-chat with strangers (moreover, I absolutely hate it when people hold up the line/queue by talking about the weather), but I see their point. If nothing else, a smile can make one's day 1% better.

I'm not disagreeing, but the fact of the matter is that this is the way society is moving, and if your primary social interaction/pick-me-up is via a supermarket wage slave - you need to figure out somewhere else to find that interaction. The internet exists, Facebook exists, Meetup.com exists... there really isn't an excuse.

 

[AusWolf]

I'm not disagreeing, but the fact of the matter is that this is the way society is moving, and if your primary social interaction/pick-me-up is via a supermarket wage slave - you need to figure out somewhere else to find that interaction. The internet exists, Facebook exists, Meetup.com exists... there really isn't an excuse.

The internet is just a poor excuse compared to real face-to-face interactions. It's great for learning things, but it's not great to actually meet people (as you never really meet anyone when you're online). I'm not a social person at all, but even I can see this. If this is where society is heading, then we should brace ourselves for a lot more depression, a lot more loneliness and a lot more other mental health related problems. The internet was supposed to bring people closer together, not replace them completely. This isn't how the human mind is wired.

And I'm not just talking about pick-me-ups, but interactions in general.

 

[Deleted member 234997]

We are witnessing a time of change where a new set of people will be oppressed and it is ruining the family unit, long term relationships and is more so about narcissistic traits.

I don't think it is full on Doom though, it will take a while until things settle.

People who are comorbid with psychiatric issues usually are the changers and shakers who make society wake up to things, but they don't last, they have existed since time...
It is rare you find someone like that who does not have a rather dark side, Gandhi for example and his irresponsible sexual stuff.... Einstein and how he treated women.

New rules will be made and new exceptions.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm not disagreeing, but the fact of the matter is that this is the way society is moving, and if your primary social interaction/pick-me-up is via a supermarket wage slave - you need to figure out somewhere else to find that interaction. The internet exists, Facebook exists, Meetup.com exists... there really isn't an excuse.

Sod that crap. I expect to be attended to by a human being when I make my purchases. Tace Bell everyone who takes that line of business choice can get knotted and rot.

We are witnessing a time of change where a new set of people will be oppressed and it is ruining the family unit, long term relationships and is more so about narcissistic traits.

This!

 

[the54thvoid]

I think this thread is straying from the OP. Automation (especially of check-outs) is not AI.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I think this thread is straying from the OP. Automation (especially of check-outs) is not AI.

Ok, shutting up.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I'm reading through this thread again, but finally voted.


Voted Other. Imagine if you will a Twilight Zone episode. Imagine living in an episode of The Twilight Zone. Imagine living in The Twilight Zone. This is going to get weird.


Maybe. Semantics aside AI voice overs, art theft, news articles, stories, deep fakes, and everything else under that sun are here, being improved, and will continue.

 

[Hyderz]

I have a genuine concern question regarding the dangers of ai...
no not the ones where it gains consciousness and start eliminating the human race...

as company are adopting more ai tech and components and it is working its way into personal computers...
these ai components in cpu and gpu, could they lead to security flaws and allow potential malware or virus to break into the systems?

 

[A Computer Guy]

I have a genuine concern question regarding the dangers of ai...
no not the ones where it gains consciousness and start eliminating the human race...

as company are adopting more ai tech and components and it is working its way into personal computers...
these ai components in cpu and gpu, could they lead to security flaws and allow potential malware or virus to break into the systems?

Even worse. It might lead to a total security infrastructure that censors information and helps prohibit "wrong think" and assists in "threat notifications" or "warnings" depending on who is writing political policy at the time.

 

[AusWolf]

Even worse. It might lead to a total security infrastructure that censors information and helps prohibit "wrong think" and assists in "threat notifications" or "warnings" depending on who is writing political policy at the time.

This is my no.1 concern.
My no.2 concern is scams. Not long ago, I was presented with a very well-made deepfake Elon Musk interview about some investment fund and a link to a fake BBC article... as an ad on Youtube!
That brings me to my no.3 concern: deepfake. When half of the things online is created by AI, how do you know what's real and what isn't?
And that brings me to my no.4 concern: the loss of creative jobs. You don't need to be an artist anymore, you can just ask the AI to create something for you.

If someone has a genuine answer to these concerns, I can see AI being a useful tool. But as long as that's not the case, I see it as more harmful than anything.

And that's my opinion 8 pages after the opening of the thread. Big thanks to everyone who contributed!

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I have a genuine concern question regarding the dangers of ai...
no not the ones where it gains consciousness and start eliminating the human race...

as company are adopting more ai tech and components and it is working its way into personal computers...
these ai components in cpu and gpu, could they lead to security flaws and allow potential malware or virus to break into the systems?

Always a possibility, but not too likely IMHO. Not much more likely than any other accelerator, such as an AV1 decoder or network interface integrated into a CPU. Tensor cores have been around for a while on Nvidia, and AFAIK there has been no exploit regarding them.

 

[A Computer Guy]

My no.2 concern is scams. Not long ago, I was presented with a very well-made deepfake Elon Musk interview about some investment fund and a link to a fake BBC article... as an ad on Youtube!

Wow the time and resources it must have taken to do that. Elon likes to do his own thing and I can't help but think that deepfake was a hit job. Literally corporate warfare, but that is just a theory... a conspiracy theory.

no.3 concern: deepfake. When half of the things online is created by AI, how do you know what's real and what isn't?

What's real is what is closest to you.

no.4 concern: the loss of creative jobs. You don't need to be an artist anymore, you can just ask the AI to create something for you.

It's only a matter of time a big chunk of programmers will be out of a job. Learn-to-code is dead, long live learn-to-code.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Is the "AI" we have now truly AI though or just a moniker for software automation? If so, it should not be called AI as it is no such thing.

 

[authorized]

Is the "AI" we have now truly AI though or just a moniker for software automation? If so, it should not be called AI as it is no such thing.

Depends on the definition of intelligence you take, I suppose the idea is that if it can learn and change beyond its programming, it's not "simple automation" anymore.