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[chrcoluk]

for anyone interested in my comparison review of Deck LCD vs Deck OLED

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60, yeah that's a good deal.

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That download test is not a good way to diagnose how fast the storage is in my view, you did a ethernet test of a download on the LCD followed by a wifi test on the OLED, and both are also subject to variable internet conditions.

I very much doubt the NVME drive is going to be as slow as you reported. You effectively saying it can barely manage 5% of the speed of a modern spindle.

Gen 3x2 e.g. which some LCD's shipped with would still comfortably manage a gigabit speed download.

 

[Space Lynx]

That download test is not a good way to diagnose how fast the storage is in my view, you did a ethernet test of a download on the LCD followed by a wifi test on the OLED, and both are also subject to variable internet conditions.

I very much doubt the NVME drive is going to be as slow as you reported. You effectively saying it can barely manage 5% of the speed of a modern spindle.

Gen 3x2 e.g. which some LCD's shipped with would still comfortably manage a gigabit speed download.

if you read the other post I made, I explain how the issue was fixed, it was an error within SteamOS.

@Klemc the wifi v5 to v6 yes, I understand now. true it is a nice upgrade, but as I said in my review I tested both with ethernet cable too, anyways I figured out the issue it was just a steamos error that needed to be fixed. I think toggling limit download speeds and full shutdowns finally got it to work. strange there are bugs like this, but I guess it is still a semi-new OS. anyways all good now.

my only concern now is the white point of OLED not being as good as the white point on the LCD model.

here you go my sweet padawans: watch and feast your eyes

time stamped for your viewing pleasure, watch it for 1 min.

 

[chrcoluk]

Ok I dont think I seen this post, but anyway wifi 6 is indeed very nice and its why I was gutted when I discovered the steam deck I brought was only wifi 5, although thankfully steam's wifi 5 is much better than the xbox wifi 5.

Wifi 6 internet speeds on my phone is almost as fast as gigabit ethernet.

 

[Space Lynx]

Ok I dont think I seen this post, but anyway wifi 6 is indeed very nice and its why I was gutted when I discovered the steam deck I brought was only wifi 5, although thankfully steam's wifi 5 is much better than the xbox wifi 5.

Wifi 6 internet speeds on my phone is almost as fast as gigabit ethernet.

Post number 317 of this thread. I will link it again below. There is a link in that post that explains the wifi issue fix.

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So, for those keeping their non-OLED, it is possible to find tiny OLED 7/10" and use it as external monitor ?.. good idea, yes ? no, I have read all the reviews for those small form factor OLED's and they have horrible latency issues for gamers. which is strange because OLED is historically...

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[chrcoluk]

Post number 317 of this thread. I will link it again below. There is a link in that post that explains the wifi issue fix.

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So, for those keeping their non-OLED, it is possible to find tiny OLED 7/10" and use it as external monitor ?.. good idea, yes ? no, I have read all the reviews for those small form factor OLED's and they have horrible latency issues for gamers. which is strange because OLED is historically...

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Cool.

For reference I am getting 400-500mbps on my LCD model. It hit those speeds out of the box. But obviously the OLED is a different wifi chip so it seems its low power state might have caused some problems? I expect will be improved in a future update.

 

[Space Lynx]

time stamped, glossy is better than matte depending on your use case, same as I have been saying for ages.

Cool.

For reference I am getting 400-500mbps on my LCD model. It hit those speeds out of the box. But obviously the OLED is a different wifi chip so it seems its low power state might have caused some problems? I expect will be improved in a future update.

I haven't tried this same fix on my LCD model, but apparently I might even get better than the 20/30 MB/s down I can get now, toggle limit download, reboot, toggle off, reboot, and do same with developer mode as explained in the that guide I linked before. Strange little bug, it might not do anything for the LCD model, but it sure as hecked helped my OLED model.

 

[Space Lynx]

Deck LCD vs Deck OLED is strange.

Some games look better on Deck LCD (after display calibration) vs Deck OLED, but also vice versa.

For example, Stardew Valley looks better on Deck LCD than on Deck OLED. Kings of Amalur Re-Reckoning looks about equal, but a slight win for the OLED. Of course darker games or games like Ori look much better on Deck OLED.

It's not as clear cut as people say it is though, and those people tend not to calibrate their display. I think the OLED still wins for me, but I have a special place in my heart for my Deck LCD.

 

[Klemc]

2D better on LDC ?.. so i'm good if i ind an LCD deck at good price !

 

[Space Lynx]

2D better on LDC ?.. so i'm good if i ind an LCD deck at good price !

No, not that. Just some games color palettes tend to favor less "pop" There are other 2d games that look better on the OLED, like Cryptark or Limbo (though honestly Limbo doesn't look bad on LCD model either, Cryptark is def better on the OLED though).

It's hard to explain, might be easier to show in person unfortunately. Basically OLED is "too good" for it's own good sometimes, in that Stardew Valley just looks too vibrant even when calibrated. Where as LCD looks perfectly balanced for that particular game, again after calibration has been performed.

 

[Chomiq]

Deck LCD vs Deck OLED is strange.

Some games look better on Deck LCD (after display calibration) vs Deck OLED, but also vice versa.

For example, Stardew Valley looks better on Deck LCD than on Deck OLED. Kings of Amalur Re-Reckoning looks about equal, but a slight win for the OLED. Of course darker games or games like Ori look much better on Deck OLED.

It's not as clear cut as people say it is though, and those people tend not to calibrate their display. I think the OLED still wins for me, but I have a special place in my heart for my Deck LCD.

How are you calibrating your display?

 

[Space Lynx]

How are you calibrating your display?

All Steam Decks on stable update now have access to two sliders under Display under Settings. I just use those two sliders to find a good white point, usually around 7500k to 8000k from the default 6500k (default 6500k gives me a yellowish tent, so each steam deck is going to vary on this is my guess) and then the srgb slider, which I adjust to avoid gradient clipping but still have good accuracy. I test in games as I adjust it, I don't use the default image Steam provides.

 

[Chomiq]

All Steam Decks on stable update now have access to two sliders under Display under Settings. I just use those two sliders to find a good white point, usually around 7500k to 8000k from the default 6500k (default 6500k gives me a yellowish tent, so each steam deck is going to vary on this is my guess) and then the srgb slider, which I adjust to avoid gradient clipping but still have good accuracy. I test in games as I adjust it, I don't use the default image Steam provides.

So you're just playing with sliders, not calibrating. 6500K is the standard for displaying media.

If you really want to calibrate the display get yourself a SpyderX on Amazon, install displaycal on Deck and adjust whitepoint to 6500K and RGB levels so that they're even.

 

[Space Lynx]

I just adjust in-game to what looks best to my eyes, everyone else can do what they want.

 

[Nordic]

So you're just playing with sliders, not calibrating. 6500K is the standard for displaying media.

If you really want to calibrate the display get yourself a SpyderX on Amazon, install displaycal on Deck and adjust whitepoint to 6500K and RGB levels so that they're even.

The lcd deck is pretty consistent 300k off. Setting the lcd deck to 7000k is pretty close to the 6500k standard.

 

[Klemc]

So you're just playing with sliders, not calibrating. 6500K is the standard for displaying media.

If you really want to calibrate the display get yourself a SpyderX on Amazon, install displaycal on Deck and adjust whitepoint to 6500K and RGB levels so that they're even. Then return the SpyderX to Amazon.

A special model for mini screens ? Seriously !

 

[Space Lynx]

I think the biggest improvement for me over Deck LCD has been the lighter weight, I can just hold the Deck OLED a little easier now and it does make a difference for long play sessions.

Overall it was a $340 upgrade for me, but I honestly don't regret it considering how much I use my Deck. I sold my Deck LCD to a irl friend and he even agreed if he decides to sell it on someday in a year or two I will be first on his list to buy it back (hopefully for a cheaper price), but if he does do that I will probably buy it back honestly. I loved my Deck LCD.

Right now I am playing Shadow of Mordor at a stable 90 fps on medium settings at 90hz OLED - its pretty stunning and I still can't believe a handheld is capable of this level of quality. Really hoping for Deck 2 they keep the same screen resolution or 1920x1200 at the very max... and 120hz OLED - combined with a 3nm or 2nm APU that can play cyberpunk 2077 at native res no ray tracing high settings at a solid 120 fps 120hz probably am dreaming here, but hey you never know.

I bought these for my Deck OLED:

 

[Klemc]

 

[Space Lynx]

I just realized the steam grips I got weigh 100 grams, at least that is what the product page says, and the Deck LCD was 30 grams heavier, so I just gained 70 grams over the Deck LCD? sigh. you wouldn't thinking something that small could weigh that much.

 

[Scircura]

I was a Steam Deck owner for about a week. I ordered the Deck OLED on launch day just so I would no longer hem and haw over whether to buy a Steam Deck every time it went on sale.

Anyway, short story shorter, I didn't like that I had to either crane my neck down, or hold my hands up to my face. I want a controller in my lap and a screen at eye level, or at least up by my thumbs like the Nintendo Game Boy / GBA / DS.

I sent the Deck back to Valve. There was a defect with one of the triggers so I would have RMA'd it anyway.

Other problems:

• in order to angle the screen at my face I needed to flex my wrists unnaturally
• periodically I'd have to correct my hold to fix the screen tilting away, or the whole deck sliding down in my hands
• the 800p resolution can be too low to see what's going on in some games
• the whole OLED thing didn't wow me since it's still a tiny screen compared to a monitor or TV
• I gave up trying to load some GOG games onto the device (I would have eventually figured it out if I was keeping the Deck)
• it almost always connected to my 2.4GHz network (Eero may share some blame)
• my gaming PC is in the same room, so why am I playing on a handheld...

Obviously there's a lot to like about the device too, and many people love it and use it without these problems. But I almost never see a negative opinion of the Steam Deck and if I'd read more lukewarm opinions before buying, I might have had more realistic expectations.

What I really want is a Steam Controller 2...

 

[Space Lynx]

I was a Steam Deck owner for about a week. I ordered the Deck OLED on launch day just so I would no longer hem and haw over whether to buy a Steam Deck every time it went on sale.

Anyway, short story shorter, I didn't like that I had to either crane my neck down, or hold my hands up to my face. I want a controller in my lap and a screen at eye level, or at least up by my thumbs like the Nintendo Game Boy / GBA / DS.

I sent the Deck back to Valve. There was a defect with one of the triggers so I would have RMA'd it anyway.

Other problems:

• in order to angle the screen at my face I needed to flex my wrists unnaturally
• periodically I'd have to correct my hold to fix the screen tilting away, or the whole deck sliding down in my hands
• the 800p resolution can be too low to see what's going on in some games
• the whole OLED thing didn't wow me since it's still a tiny screen compared to a monitor or TV
• I gave up trying to load some GOG games onto the device (I would have eventually figured it out if I was keeping the Deck)
• it almost always connected to my 2.4GHz network (Eero may share some blame)
• my gaming PC is in the same room, so why am I playing on a handheld...

Obviously there's a lot to like about the device too, and many people love it and use it without these problems. But I almost never see a negative opinion of the Steam Deck and if I'd read more lukewarm opinions before buying, I might have had more realistic expectations.

What I really want is a Steam Controller 2...

handheld gaming isn't for everyone, but I personally have had 0 of the issues you mention. i guess i have trained my neck over the years as an intense gamer, to be fair i did have the original gameboy, gbc, and pretty much every other handheld they ever made. so maybe my spine has been trained for this moment haha

I never had any of the visual problems you have mentioned. You might want to go the eye doctor mate. I played over 40+ games on my Deck and absolutely 0 issues in being able to see small things.

 

[Klemc]

@Space Lynx

Having the two, shoul i buy OLED or LCD, i need 500gb ssd, no more, for :

2D & 3D games list

 

[Nordic]

I was a Steam Deck owner for about a week. I ordered the Deck OLED on launch day just so I would no longer hem and haw over whether to buy a Steam Deck every time it went on sale.

Anyway, short story shorter, I didn't like that I had to either crane my neck down, or hold my hands up to my face. I want a controller in my lap and a screen at eye level, or at least up by my thumbs like the Nintendo Game Boy / GBA / DS.

I sent the Deck back to Valve. There was a defect with one of the triggers so I would have RMA'd it anyway.

Other problems:

• in order to angle the screen at my face I needed to flex my wrists unnaturally
• periodically I'd have to correct my hold to fix the screen tilting away, or the whole deck sliding down in my hands
• the 800p resolution can be too low to see what's going on in some games
• the whole OLED thing didn't wow me since it's still a tiny screen compared to a monitor or TV
• I gave up trying to load some GOG games onto the device (I would have eventually figured it out if I was keeping the Deck)
• it almost always connected to my 2.4GHz network (Eero may share some blame)
• my gaming PC is in the same room, so why am I playing on a handheld...

Obviously there's a lot to like about the device too, and many people love it and use it without these problems. But I almost never see a negative opinion of the Steam Deck and if I'd read more lukewarm opinions before buying, I might have had more realistic expectations.

What I really want is a Steam Controller 2...

It sounds like your problems are less about the Steam Deck and more handheld gaming in general. Hopefully Valve will release a Steam Controller 2 for those like yourself.

 

[Space Lynx]

@Space Lynx

Having the two, shoul i buy OLED or LCD, i need 500gb ssd, no more, for :

2D & 3D games list

I would wait for Easter time next year, I expect the price will drop because the Deck's aren't selling as well as they hoped and there is currently a massive amount of RMA's occuring from what I understand on the reddit threads. Lot of LE owners got screwed with dead pixels and a sub-par OLED panel from panel maker BOE, and BOE I guess stole some patents from Samsung apparently, and samsung is saying halt all production on BOE panels, which is why Valve is only using BOE panels in LE models apparently... and some samsung panels are also defective and not very good on blacks (mine is not defective thankfully) and many people seem to be reporting missing rubber bumpter from one of the trigger buttons...

so... its a messy bungled launch... I would honestly hold off, alternatively you could get a Deck LCD for cheap right now off Ebay. and in non-dark games OLED doesn't beat the Deck LCD imo.

I expect price cuts around Easter time for a revamped/revised OLED model next year. Valve wanting to keep everything seamless and uniform, deciding to go with two different OLED panel makers seems perplexing to say the least... someone in the supply chain fucked up somewhere and gabe needs to get it sorted.

personally if I was gabe, i'd be contacting LG and making them the sole supplier for Deck 2. Nothing in this world beats LG WOLED panels.

 

[Klemc]

Then i've read about BOE on Reddit, it's disgusting, they literaly sell bad panels everywhere... hell i'll buy an LCD when i see a good price (in France)...

 

[Space Lynx]

Then i've read about BOE on Reddit, it's disgusting, they literaly sell bad panels everywhere... hell i'll buy an LCD when i see a good price (in France)...

ya i got lucky, mine is a flawless samsung panel, and i opened the deck oled and no bumper rubber is missing.