Why do you need that any way? Sure you may actually need/want it but that's your specific use case, it's like me saying show me an Intel laptop with four TB5 ports under a grandShow me ATX with S/PDIF for that price! Cheapest is ashrock 235€
Why do you need that any way? Sure you may actually need/want it but that's your specific use case, it's like me saying show me an Intel laptop with four TB5 ports under a grandShow me ATX with S/PDIF for that price! Cheapest is ashrock 235€
Z906 speakers. And my 155€(at that time)7yr old z270 have same about ports, connectivity vs todays morherboards for higher price.Why do you need that any way? Sure you may actually need/want it but that's your specific use case, it's like me saying show me an Intel laptop with four TB5 ports under a grand
I use one of these on a board without an optical port. Moves easily to another board when you upgrade also.Z906 speakers. And my 155€(at that time)7yr old z270 have same about ports, connectivity vs todays morherboards for higher price.
Maybe in ~4yr AM5 prices will go down very well
Processor | Ryzen 5700x |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte Auros Elite AX V2 |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin SE White |
Memory | TeamGroup T-Force Delta RGB 32GB 3600Mhz |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Red Dragon Rx 6800 |
Storage | Fanxiang S660 1TB, Fanxiang S500 Pro 1TB, BraveEagle 240GB SSD, 2TB Seagate HDD |
Case | Corsair 4000D White |
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x SHIFT |
Prices are not what they were 7 years ago plain and simple, same with GPU's, have a look at what $200 could buy you back then compared to today's prices, so that's a bit of an unrealistic comparisonZ906 speakers. And my 155€(at that time)7yr old z270 have same about ports, connectivity vs todays morherboards for higher price.
Maybe in ~4yr AM5 prices will go down very well
System Name | Main PC |
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Processor | 13700k |
Motherboard | Asrock Z690 Steel Legend D4 - Bios 13.02 |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S |
Memory | 32 Gig 3200CL14 |
Video Card(s) | 4080 RTX SUPER FE 16G |
Storage | 1TB 980 PRO, 2TB SN850X, 2TB DC P4600, 1TB 860 EVO, 2x 3TB WD Red, 2x 4TB WD Red |
Display(s) | LG 27GL850 |
Case | Fractal Define R4 |
Audio Device(s) | Soundblaster AE-9 |
Power Supply | Antec HCG 750 Gold |
Software | Windows 10 21H2 LTSC |
Too bad 5000GT still have Vega iGPUs. Pass for that reason.
Driver support hasn't been fully discontinued, just slowed down and reduced in scope to bug/security fixes. Current driver is 23.11.1 from NovemberDo the latest graphics drivers even work on these chips now? I remember seeing a warning or something on my 5600G when I last used it on windows, but cant remember if it was a warning for disabled features or had to get older driver.
I think it's because the manufacturers are hiding the AMD popularity wave. You want an AMD CPU? Pay the MoBo premium. People will still get them because of the good value of the whole package.
System Name | Night Rider | Mini LAN PC | Workhorse |
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Processor | AMD R7 5800X3D | Ryzen 1600X | i7 970 |
Motherboard | MSi AM4 Pro Carbon | GA- | Gigabyte EX58-UD5 |
Cooling | Noctua U9S Twin Fan| Stock Cooler, Copper Core)| Big shairkan B |
Memory | 2x8GB DDR4 G.Skill Ripjaws 3600MHz| 2x8GB Corsair 3000 | 6x2GB DDR3 1300 Corsair |
Video Card(s) | MSI AMD 6750XT | 6500XT | MSI RX 580 8GB |
Storage | 1TB WD Black NVME / 250GB SSD /2TB WD Black | 500GB SSD WD, 2x1TB, 1x750 | WD 500 SSD/Seagate 320 |
Display(s) | LG 27" 1440P| Samsung 20" S20C300L/DELL 15" | 22" DELL/19"DELL |
Case | LIAN LI PC-18 | Mini ATX Case (custom) | Atrix C4 9001 |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard | Onbaord | Onboard |
Power Supply | Silverstone 850 | Silverstone Mini 450W | Corsair CX-750 |
Mouse | Coolermaster Pro | Rapoo V900 | Gigabyte 6850X |
Keyboard | MAX Keyboard Nighthawk X8 | Creative Fatal1ty eluminx | Some POS Logitech |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 64 | Windows 10 Pro 64 | Windows 7 Pro 64/Windows 10 Home |
Ok, so now we have the R5-5600X3D, R7-5700X3D and R7-5800X3D.
What's next, the R9-5950X3D?
I'm not offended at all, and those new SKUs don't catch me either. I only pointed out why RDNA 2/3 on AM4 was not going to happen, as response to your RDNA 3+ in Ryzen 8k remark, and why it probably wouldn't make much sense anyway for AMD to invest any effort into it, at this point in time. Too bad they didn't bring Rembrandt right when AM5 started.Already said it: this is an e-waste or soon to be such. Sorry to hear that apparently offends you so much, but I'm not taking that back.
-Probably building in some longevity cost too. If they're going to sell you one mobo that will support the next 2-3 CPU gens, then they're going to charge you upfront.
Mobo makers are not making the AM4 mistake again, selling people a $50 board that supports everything from a x1300 through a 5900x...
A potential customer doesn't have to care about any of that though.I'm not offended at all, and those new SKUs don't catch me either. I only pointed out why RDNA 2/3 on AM4 was not going to happen, as response to your RDNA 3+ in Ryzen 8k remark, and why it probably wouldn't make much sense anyway for AMD to invest any effort into it, at this point in time. Too bad they didn't bring Rembrandt right when AM5 started.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming B550M-Plus (Wi-Fi) |
Cooling | Thermalright PA120 SE; Arctic P12, F12 |
Memory | Crucial BL8G32C16U4W.M8FE1 ×2 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6600 XT |
Storage | Kingston SKC3000D/2048G; Samsung MZVLB1T0HBLR-000L2; Seagate ST1000DM010-2EP102 |
Display(s) | AOC 24G2W1G4 |
Case | Sama MiCube |
Audio Device(s) | Somic G923 |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 GD |
Mouse | Logitech G102 |
Keyboard | Logitech K845 TTC Brown |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 1903, Dism++, CCleaner |
Benchmark Scores | CPU-Z 17.01.64: 3700X @ 4.6 GHz 1.3375 V scoring 557/6206; 760K @ 5 GHz 1.5 V scoring 292/964 |
Processor | i5-6600K |
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Motherboard | Asus Z170A |
Cooling | some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar |
Memory | 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | IGP |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB |
Display(s) | 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200 |
Case | Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh |
Audio Device(s) | E-mu 1212m PCI |
Power Supply | Seasonic G-360 |
Mouse | Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse |
Keyboard | Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994 |
Software | Oldwin |
But how would they exhaust the remaining stock of 12nm I/O dies then? (And they have to keep buying them, the agreement with GF is still in place)Silly naming and boring new skus.
If they had the time it's better to make some low-end Zen 4 skus. Much more efficient and faster.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming B550M-Plus (Wi-Fi) |
Cooling | Thermalright PA120 SE; Arctic P12, F12 |
Memory | Crucial BL8G32C16U4W.M8FE1 ×2 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6600 XT |
Storage | Kingston SKC3000D/2048G; Samsung MZVLB1T0HBLR-000L2; Seagate ST1000DM010-2EP102 |
Display(s) | AOC 24G2W1G4 |
Case | Sama MiCube |
Audio Device(s) | Somic G923 |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 GD |
Mouse | Logitech G102 |
Keyboard | Logitech K845 TTC Brown |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 1903, Dism++, CCleaner |
Benchmark Scores | CPU-Z 17.01.64: 3700X @ 4.6 GHz 1.3375 V scoring 557/6206; 760K @ 5 GHz 1.5 V scoring 292/964 |
But Cezanne chips are monolithic, they don't need I/O dieBut how would they exhaust the remaining stock of 12nm I/O dies then? (And they have to keep buying them, the agreement with GF is still in place)
Probably next 700 series MB chipsets will have higher PCIe version itself than 600 series+better connection with CPU I/O chiplet. 5.0x4 or 4.0x8?That's a good theory. For me worse than the price is that most boards kinda suck, the pcie layout is always very weird and crappy for anyone planning something more unconventional like using 2 gpus. Every board is seemingly m.2 galore and maybe you get an x4 slot optionally connected to the m.2 but on the chipset lanes instead of the cpu lanes
System Name | Nebulon B |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D |
Motherboard | MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock 4 |
Memory | 2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800 |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB |
Storage | 2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2 |
Display(s) | Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen |
Case | Kolink Citadel Mesh black |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime GX-750 |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2S |
Keyboard | Logitech G413 SE |
Software | Bazzite (Fedora Linux) KDE |
You never said you needed that. In fact, most people don't.Show me ATX with S/PDIF for that price! Cheapest is ashrock 235€
Processor | i5-6600K |
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Motherboard | Asus Z170A |
Cooling | some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar |
Memory | 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | IGP |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB |
Display(s) | 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200 |
Case | Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh |
Audio Device(s) | E-mu 1212m PCI |
Power Supply | Seasonic G-360 |
Mouse | Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse |
Keyboard | Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994 |
Software | Oldwin |
You're two-thirds right. Not fully right because the 5700X3D is three-lithic.But Cezanne chips are monolithic, they don't need I/O die
Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
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Motherboard | Asus TUF-Gaming B550-Plus |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U14S |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 6600 |
Storage | HP EX950 512GB + Samsung 970 PRO 1TB |
Display(s) | HP Z Display Z24i G2 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R6 Black |
Audio Device(s) | Creative Sound Blaster AE-5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME Ultra 650W Gold |
Mouse | Roccat Kone AIMO Remastered |
Software | Windows 10 x64 |
System Name | 4K-gaming / media-PC |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X / Intel Core i7-6700K |
Motherboard | Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero / Asus Z170-K |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 50 / Alphacool Eisbaer 240 |
Memory | 32GB DDR4-3466 / 16GB DDR4-3000 |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX 3080 TUF OC / Powercolor RX 6700 XT |
Storage | 3.3TB of SSDs / several small SSDs |
Display(s) | Acer 27" 4K120 IPS + Lenovo 32" 4K60 IPS |
Case | Corsair 4000D AF White / DeepCool CC560 WH |
Audio Device(s) | Sony WH-CN720N |
Power Supply | EVGA G2 750W / Fractal ION Gold 550W |
Mouse | Logitech MX518 / Logitech G400s |
Keyboard | Roccat Vulcan 121 AIMO / NOS C450 Mini Pro |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift CV1 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro / Windows 11 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | They run Crysis |
System Name | The Phantom in the Black Tower |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
Motherboard | ASRock X570 Pro4 AM4 |
Cooling | AMD Wraith Prism, 5 x Cooler Master Sickleflow 120mm |
Memory | 64GB Team Vulcan DDR4-3600 CL18 (4×16GB) |
Video Card(s) | ASRock Radeon RX 7900 XTX Phantom Gaming OC 24GB |
Storage | WDS500G3X0E (OS), WDS100T2B0C, TM8FP6002T0C101 (x2) and ~40TB of total HDD space |
Display(s) | Haier 55E5500U 55" 2160p60Hz |
Case | Ultra U12-40670 Super Tower |
Audio Device(s) | Logitech Z200 |
Power Supply | EVGA 1000 G2 Supernova 1kW 80+Gold-Certified |
Mouse | Logitech MK320 |
Keyboard | Logitech MK320 |
VR HMD | None |
Software | Windows 10 Professional |
Benchmark Scores | Fire Strike Ultra: 19484 Time Spy Extreme: 11006 Port Royal: 16545 SuperPosition 4K Optimised: 23439 |
It's because compared to Intel's (and nVidia's for that matter) practices, AMD appears benevolent. You can blame Intel and nVidia for that because if they weren't such trash, AMD wouldn't be able to look benevolent in comparison. Like, AMD just released the R7-5700X3D on AM4, almost eight years after AM4's release. That's pretty consumer-friendly in my book!I was pretty sure that's what you were doing, but AMD is getting a lot of love in the forums for releasing these new chips as some great act of benevolence. They're simply selling as much of their product as possible. Nothing wrong with that at all, but it's just business.
Well, yeah. That's why I thought it was pretty cynical. I was also annoyed that there was no R5-7600X3D because that not only would've been good for gamers, it would've been great for AMD because the more people adopt the AM5 platform, the more guaranteed future CPU sales AMD has. At the start of a new platform that is seemingly expensive to adopt, the platform maker should bend over backwards to ensure that people feel that they must adopt it. Once the people have invested in the platform, it's very easy to render Intel non-competitive because people don't want to spend more on another motherboard if they don't need to.The biggest issue I had with the release of the 7950x3d and 7900x3d was that they held back the 7800x3d by a month to capitalize on those that couldn't wait to have the newest and sell as many of those two chips that they may not have if they hadn't staggered the release.
No, they wouldn't have. The X3D cache causes the CPU cores to run slower to reduce heat. There are no games that would benefit from 16 cores and productivity software responds better to faster cores with higher clock speeds than an overabundance of L3 cache.I think they could have had a real winner with the 7950x3d had they done the 3d v-cache on both CCDs.
Disagree. X3D R9 is a halo product. Not many buy them, and rightly so, but they have a place in the lineup as demonstration of power. R5/R7 are mainstream/enthusiast parts which are actually purchasable by most people.AMD shouldn't have made any X3D versions of their R9 series. They should've instead made an X3D version of their R5 series. The fact that they took the path they did was greedy, cynical and overall, stupid.
System Name | Best AMD Computer |
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Processor | AMD 7900X3D |
Motherboard | Asus X670E E Strix |
Cooling | In Win SR36 |
Memory | GSKILL DDR5 32GB 5200 30 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 7900XT (Watercooled) |
Storage | Corsair MP 700, Seagate 530 2Tb, Adata SX8200 2TBx2, Kingston 2 TBx2, Micron 8 TB, WD AN 1500 |
Display(s) | GIGABYTE FV43U |
Case | Corsair 7000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Corsair Void Pro, Logitch Z523 5.1 |
Power Supply | Deepcool 1000M |
Mouse | Logitech g7 gaming mouse |
Keyboard | Logitech G510 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64 Steam. GOG, Uplay, Origin |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike: 46183 Time Spy: 25121 |
This. Does anyone remember the narrative about X3D on AM4. People were moaning about the 12 and 16 core chips not having Vcache. AMD gives us exactly that and the narrative moans about it. Now the narrative are telling you that your R9 Vcache CPU is not faster than the 7800X3D because it has 1 CCD like this is 2017.Disagree. X3D R9 is a halo product. Not many buy them, and rightly so, but they have a place in the lineup as demonstration of power. R5/R7 are mainstream/enthusiast parts which are actually purchasable by most people.
You might be surprised. It depends on what Games you play.Sucks that I already got a 5800X few months ago, and I think that it's not worth changing to 5700X3D as I play at 4K.