Need RTX 40 series (Ada Lovelace) to work in Windows 10 1507 LTSB

[lemonadesoda]

VMs won't work because the CNC machine is communicated through a driver.

Rather than trying to use a new nV driver on an old OS, why aren't you hacking the driver for your CNC machine to work on a newer W10 installation.

If your CNC driver installer says "incompatible OS" this is just in their installer code. I'm sure the drivers themselves will work. Force install them.

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[Panther_Seraphin]

They write the programmes/simulation on windows workstations.

And thats fine, those machines arent directly hooked up to the machine controlling the CNC.

So you could develop/code on the new machines and then pass the completed program onto the machine via a network share etc.

 

[freeagent]

Ok.

What software are you using?

Are you just programming the machine (CNC)?

If so then you should know that you don't need anything more complicated then a calculator and a thumb drive.

But if you are doing stuff in 3D that is another story. Not sure what to tell you there, but a bunch of things aren't adding up, so I am outskie.

 

[P4-630]

But if you are doing stuff in 3D that is another story.

Maybe their software can write the program(partly) when they have the product designed in 3d, and perhaps simulate the milling program before they send it to the CNC machines.

You can do this with SolidWorks or similar software.

 

[freeagent]

Maybe their software can write the program(partly) when they have the product designed in 3d, and perhaps simulate the milling program before they send it to the CNC machines.

If this is a higher end shop, then the engineer would have proven this part out in 3D before it made it to the floor. I don't know if OP left stuff out and added stuff into his story, but it doesn't add up to me.

A CNC Operator would have no part of proving this out in 3D, unless this is his business, and.. yeah.

 

[remekra]

Okay since you apparently are incapable of understanding when things are explained nicely, let me try differently.

Your employer is a dumbass.
They are a dumbass because they are on a version of Windows 10 that's nearly a decade old.
They are a dumbass because, knowing full well the above, they decided to bulk buy newer GPUs without checking if said GPUs are compatible with their ancient-ass Windows version.
They are a dumbass because, after finding out the incompatibility the hard way, they sent a random employee (yourself) to do Internet searches on how to make those GPUs work by hacking the drivers, instead of doing the sane thing like returning the GPUs.
They are a dumbass because Windows 10 2015 LTSB support ends in less than 2 years' time and they have no plan for getting their CNC software incompatibility addressed before then.

Your employer is such a dumbass that they do not deserve to be in business, and likely will cease to be once your Windows version goes out of support and they immediately get hacked by the friendly neighbourhood script kiddie. @Solaris17 has already explained what needs to be done to fix this mess, which is hire someone with the expertise to fix it properly, not continue down this path of compounding stupidity with yet more stupidity. Will it cost money? Probably. But the stupid tax is what you pay when you don't do things right to begin with.

Is he supposed to screenshot that and then send it to execs and they will suddenly go "yeah we are, we need to change our ways"?

As for the driver, don't know if its possible, if there is a will there is way probably, just make sure that you have it on writing that you do not take responsibility for that action.

 

[Assimilator]

Is he supposed to screenshot that and then send it to execs and they will suddenly go "yeah we are, we need to change our ways"?

OP's employer is trying to fix a bullet wound with a band aid. As a responsible member of this forum and of society, I have no interest in allowing that to happen and for someone to die. Therefore I am telling them to go to the hospital, using strong language because that seems to be the only thing that may get through the shock of blood loss. A clumsy analogy, but my intent is not to harm, but help.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I agree. The responsible course of action is to return or sell the Ada cards and regress to a supported hardware and software configuration.

 

[bug]

There could be pre-Ada professional cards (Quadro) still in the channel that may get the job done.

All things considered, this is the plague of our days: perfectly working hardware that has to be scrapped because whoever built it has no clue or doesn't care about software.

 

[Assimilator]

All things considered, this is the plague of our days: perfectly working hardware that has to be scrapped because whoever built it has no clue or doesn't care about software.

Are you talking about the Ada GPUS, or the CNC machines?

 

[bug]

Are you talking about the Ada GPUS, or the CNC machines?

I'm talking about all appliances that claim to be "smart" these days.

 

[Onasi]

I'm talking about all appliances that claim to be "smart" these days.

The hilarious thing is that 90% of those appliances are not even getting anything from being “smart”. I still remember how a sales rep tried to explain to me why I totally need a smart kettle that has Wi-Fi connection. It’s a kettle. It boils water for me to make tea. I still have no idea why something like that needs to connect to the web.

 

[P4-630]

It’s a kettle. It boils water for me to make tea. I still have no idea why something like that needs to connect to the web.

It most likely comes with microphones too!!

 

[Onasi]

On a less jokey note, all the manufacturers of serious devices, at least in my field, provide software support for older hardware, but not for newer OSs. Because they really would rather prefer you’d buy a whole new machine (and those go for hundreds of thousands to millions). We have several older GCMSs at work from Shimadzu. They still do provide the software for them… provided you run said software on XP SP3 at the newest. The software itself, I kid you not, they send from Japan on 4 floppy disks. Yes. Seriously. Last time that happened was 2019. So I make do with several older IBM and Dell workstations, VMs when it’s not an option and an external floppy drive.

 

[dabvflov_243]

Okay since you apparently are incapable of understanding when things are explained nicely, let me try differently.

Your employer is a dumbass.
They are a dumbass because they are on a version of Windows 10 that's nearly a decade old.
They are a dumbass because, knowing full well the above, they decided to bulk buy newer GPUs without checking if said GPUs are compatible with their ancient-ass Windows version.
They are a dumbass because, after finding out the incompatibility the hard way, they sent a random employee (yourself) to do Internet searches on how to make those GPUs work by hacking the drivers, instead of doing the sane thing like returning the GPUs.
They are a dumbass because Windows 10 2015 LTSB support ends in less than 2 years' time and they have no plan for getting their CNC software incompatibility addressed before then.

I understand this and I agree with all the points you making but yes I understand this is stupid and dumb especially when the company bought the cards and not did do research.

is hire someone with the expertise to fix it properly

My employer already hired someone 3 times. One in 2017, 2019, and last month. My employer said that we are going to hire technicians first, if it doesn't work then I have to somehow get the 40 series to work in 1507. The technician even tried to troubleshoot the program on newer Windows like 10 21H2 (LTSC) and 11 but had no success. In around 2019, we were planning to upgrade our workstations to Windows 10 2019 LTSC but apparently what the technician said is that this program doesn't work with Windows 10 1607 or newer because the .exe coding was not designed for newer Windows. This program can run Windows 98 - 10 1511.

I agree. The responsible course of action is to return or sell the Ada cards and regress to a supported hardware and software configuration.

My employer said we would probably do that as the last last solution if not possible because it's a hassle to remove, repack, and sell them.

 

[mb194dc]

VMs won't work because the CNC machine is communicated through a driver.

The CNC machine is out of support that's why it's not updated.


Nvidia supports Windows 10 version 1803 or higher.

Directly pass the CNC hardware through to the VM and install the driver on it then ? What kind of interface does it use?

Did you try an inplace upgrade of windows ltsc? What breaks specifically on newer versions than 1507?

 

[natr0n]

Maybe get a 30 series and solve this easily.

 

[dabvflov_243]

What kind of interface does it use?

The program has a CNC programming and 3D design rendering (the reason we upgraded to RTX series)

Did you try an inplace upgrade of windows ltsc?

Yes, 2 workstations LTSB 2015 to LTSC 2021. But the program does not launch at all on both workstations.

 

[bug]

On a less jokey note, all the manufacturers of serious devices, at least in my field, provide software support for older hardware, but not for newer OSs. Because they really would rather prefer you’d buy a whole new machine (and those go for hundreds of thousands to millions). We have several older GCMSs at work from Shimadzu. They still do provide the software for them… provided you run said software on XP SP3 at the newest. The software itself, I kid you not, they send from Japan on 4 floppy disks. Yes. Seriously. Last time that happened was 2019. So I make do with several older IBM and Dell workstations, VMs when it’s not an option and an external floppy drive.

That's why I brought up due diligence before: whatever the manufacturer provides, is written down somewhere. Right down to post-EOL support, if applicable. If that doesn't meet your criteria, move along. Of course, there's always a dumba$$ that thinks they found a way to save a few pennies...

 

[P4-630]

The program has a CNC programming and 3D design rendering (the reason we upgraded to RTX series)

SolidWorks?

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

The program has a CNC programming and 3D design rendering (the reason we upgraded to RTX series)

Are you even sure if 40xx series are even supported by the software? I bet they havent even been validated so we are chasing out tails for nothing!

 

[KedsDead]

It probably runs on cuda..

 

[Blackhat]

Perhaps a CAD/CAM program like Mastercam would help. Sounds like the OP would have to upgrade his PCs beyond the addition of the new RTX GPUs for it to work well, though.
https://www.mastercam.com/solutions/ https://www.mastercam.com/support/technical-support/system-requirements/
It runs a pre-flight check of the PC it's installed on and informs the user of any shortcomings, then let's the user continue to run the program even though it won't operate at full speed.

 

[dabvflov_243]

Perhaps a CAD/CAM program like Mastercam would help. Sounds like the OP would have to upgrade his PCs beyond the addition of the new RTX GPUs for it to work well, though.
https://www.mastercam.com/solutions/ https://www.mastercam.com/support/technical-support/system-requirements/
It runs a pre-flight check of the PC it's installed on and informs the user of any shortcomings, then let's the user continue to run the program even though it won't operate at full speed.

Mastercam won't work for my case because the CNC machine does not support the file format that is used for our CNC machines. One of the software we use is Expert Software: CAD 3-D.
We also use other software that is nearly 2 decades old. A newer software won't work because the file format structure is different and our CNCs are not up to date with file structure.

Are you even sure if 40xx series are even supported by the software?

Our old GPUs are Nvidia Geforce 210. The only reason we upgraded to RTX 40 is because, in the future, we are planning to add more CNC machines (meaning that we use newer software for demanding 3D tasks) in some of our departments.

SolidWorks?

No, we use AutoCAD LT 98 as our primary software.

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

Our old GPUs are Nvidia Geforce 210. The only reason we upgraded to RTX 40 is because, in the future, we are planning to add more CNC machines (meaning that we use newer software for demanding 3D tasks) in some of our departments.


No, we use AutoCAD LT 98 as our primary software.

So this sounds like a major decision time for the company then. The software you are using is Way beyond any sort of support and in fact you cannot even activate anymore by Autodesk.

I think you need to consider segregating the systems into Legacy and modern but getting one system to do both isnt going to be possible especially if you are set on keeping those 40 series cards. You could possibly do it with 10/20 series with no problems but again the LTSC version of Win 10 you are using has about 12 months of life left before being out of complete support so your buying months before you hit this headache all over again.