Discounted RTX 4080 or RTX 4070 Ti SUPER at MSRP?

[azrael]

I can currently get a brand-new ASUS ProArt RTX4080 for slightly more than €1000. Listings for the 4070 Ti SUPER, which otherwise has caught my attention, start at around €100 lower for the "MSRP-versions" with custom versions approaching the price of that RTX 4080. Now, I know that none of these prices can be called *deals*, but would it be worth going for that 4080 at this point? Incidentally, this would be twice the maximum I've ever paid for a graphics card.

Thanks a lot in advance for your input.

 

[Nekajo]

The old cards are still great, especially if discounted but they probably won't be much. You can be lucky tho. SUPER refreshes typially don't make the older cards drop in price. They just sell out. Nvidia slowly changed production to counter this.

4070 Ti might had a 799 launch MSRP but have been at 700 or even lower plenty of times since release, even had some game bundle going (Alan Wake 2 and some other games)

4080 was 1199 but was close to 1000 many times as well, including game as well

4070 Ti SUPER is not going to beat 4080 Original, I expect 4080 to be 10% faster still, maybe 12-15%

First rumours claim that 4070 Ti SUPER is 8% faster than 4070 Ti on average and I think its like 7% on the 4080 to 4080 SUPER

4070 to 4070 SUPER was the biggest increase for sure, 22% more cores, 15-16% better performance

 

[azrael]

Well, the ASUS ProArt RTX 4080 usually sells (sold?) for around €1800, so it's quite some discount. I'm only looking at RTX 4080 and RTX 4080 Ti SUPER for the amount of VRAM and the bus size. Could get a vanilla 4070 way cheaper, but not a fan of the 12 GB VRAM nor the 192-bit bus.

 

[Nekajo]

Well, the ASUS ProArt RTX 4080 usually sells (sold?) for around €1800, so it's quite some discount. I'm only looking at RTX 4080 and RTX 4080 Ti SUPER for the amount of VRAM and the bus size. Could get a vanilla 4070 way cheaper, but not a fan of the 12 GB VRAM nor the 192-bit bus.

You use 1440p right? Why do you care about 12GB or the 192 bit bus, won't be a problem for 1440p gamers for years

4080 will last slightly longer but I doubt you will ever see vRAM issues at 1440p, before GPU is too slow to drive games on ultra settings anyway

4080 is more aimed at 3440x1440 minimum really and this is where 16GB might matter in a few years

4080 is great for 1440p as well tho, but kinda overkill when you really think about it

4080 should NEVER have costed 1800 euro, thats insanely overpriced and 4090 level

4070 Ti SUPER might be a good middle-ground for you!

 

[Macro Device]

You use 1440p right? Why do you care about 12GB or the 192 bit bus, won't be a problem for 1440p gamers for years

4080 still provides noticeably more FPS just because it has way more calculating power than any 12-gig 4070 series GPU.

If the price difference is under 150 bucks then 4080 is a no-brainer. Both GPUs are 16 GB but 4080 has at least 10 percent more horsepower, occasionally being 20 percent faster. This difference isn't much but still.

 

[azrael]

You use 1440p right? Why do you care about 12GB or the 192 bit bus, won't be a problem for 1440p gamers for years

4080 will last slightly longer but I doubt you will ever see vRAM issues at 1440p, before GPU is too slow to drive games on ultra settings anyway

4080 is more aimed at 3440x1440 minimum really and this is where 16GB might matter in a few years

4080 is great for 1440p as well tho, but kinda overkill when you really think about it

4080 should NEVER have costed 1800 euro, thats insanely overpriced and 4090 level

4070 Ti SUPER might be a good middle-ground for you!

I use a 1440p monitor *right* now. I may want to upgrade to a 2160p at some point. Considering the (insane) price of graphics cards right now I think I'd be a fool to buy something that's only good right now or the short-term future.

4080 still provides noticeably more FPS just because it has way more calculating power than any 12-gig 4070 series GPU.

If the price difference is under 150 bucks then 4080 is a no-brainer. Both GPUs are 16 GB but 4080 has at least 10 percent more horsepower, occasionally being 20 percent faster. This difference isn't much but still.

That's pretty much how I see it. I just thought I'd get some qualified opinions because we're still talking a lot of money here. Incidentally, I'm using a monitor with a GSYNC-module, so sadly AMD cards are off the table until I get another monitor.

 

[Macro Device]

I'd get some qualified opinions because we're still talking a lot of money here.

Same architecture, same VRAM capacity, one of GPUs has more computing units and more allowed wattage. Can afford it, go for a 4080 (this particular one has one hell of a cooling solution so I suspect OC being a non-issue as well). There is not much else one can add about such GPUs. You don't save much but lose a noticeable chunk of performance if you go for a 4070TS.

 

[Dragam1337]

You use 1440p right? Why do you care about 12GB or the 192 bit bus, won't be a problem for 1440p gamers for years

4080 will last slightly longer but I doubt you will ever see vRAM issues at 1440p, before GPU is too slow to drive games on ultra settings anyway

4080 is more aimed at 3440x1440 minimum really and this is where 16GB might matter in a few years

4080 is great for 1440p as well tho, but kinda overkill when you really think about it

4080 should NEVER have costed 1800 euro, thats insanely overpriced and 4090 level

4070 Ti SUPER might be a good middle-ground for you!

You can use ultra textures at essentially no performance cost, provided that you have a sufficient amount of vram - if you don't then you can't.
After all a game at medium settings with ultra textures looks endlessly better than a game at medium settings but using medium or even low textures.

This is the reason why cards with a generous amount of vram are usually much longer lived than cards that had just enough when they launched - and nvidia really likes to do this - planned obsolescence.

I can currently get a brand-new ASUS ProArt RTX4080 for slightly more than €1000. Listings for the 4070 Ti SUPER, which otherwise has caught my attention, start at around €100 lower for the "MSRP-versions" with custom versions approaching the price of that RTX 4080. Now, I know that none of these prices can be called *deals*, but would it be worth going for that 4080 at this point? Incidentally, this would be twice the maximum I've ever paid for a graphics card.

Thanks a lot in advance for your input.

Considering that we are paying a fair bit more for gpus in eu vs us, id say that 1000 euro price is decent.

Just be aware that the proart cooler is the least capable asus cooler.

 

[azrael]

Thank you all for your input. I think I'm gonna spend the money on that 4080. The discount is just too good. If anything I should have two weeks to change my mind and send the card back. Might cost me shipping but I'm willing to risk that.

 

[Nekajo]

ProArt line is good just don't believe the 1800 to 1000 price drop, thats not what I have seen the models go for

You can use ultra textures at essentially no performance cost, provided that you have a sufficient amount of vram - if you don't then you can't.
After all a game at medium settings with ultra textures looks endlessly better than a game at medium settings but using medium or even low textures.

This is the reason why cards with a generous amount of vram are usually much longer lived than cards that had just enough when they launched - and nvidia really likes to do this - planned obsolescence.



Considering that we are paying a fair bit more for gpus in eu vs us, id say that 1000 euro price is decent.

Just be aware that the proart cooler is the least capable asus cooler.

Ultra and high res textures look the same anyway in 99 out of 100 games
Are you saying 12GB vRAM GPUs will be using low textures in 1-2 years? Hahaha

3070 still beats 6700XT in 2024, even at 4K gaming which none of the GPUs can handle anyway

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Upscaling is going to matter more for longevity than vRAM and DLSS beats FSR in terms of visual quality with little to no shimmering and arctifacts

 

[Dragam1337]

ProArt line is good just don't believe the 1800 to 1000 price drop, thats not what I have seen the models go for



Ultra and high res textures look the same anyway in 99 out of 100 games
Are you saying 12GB vRAM GPUs will be using low textures in 1-2 years? Hahaha

3070 still beats 6700XT in 2024, even at 4K gaming which none of the GPUs can handle anyway

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The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Super launches today, boasting a solid increase in GPU cores, ROP units and cache. This enhancement brings its performance much closer to that of the GeForce RTX 4070 Ti, at a price point of $600 that signals strong competition for AMD's Radeon RX 7800 XT.

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Upscaling is going to matter more for longevity than vRAM and DLSS beats FSR in terms of visual quality with little to no shimmering and arctifacts

A friend of mine who has a 3070 and plays at 1440p, is having to use medium or low textures in several games like the last of us and resident evil 4, if he wants to avoid stuttering. The fps is fine, but the games look like crap due to having to lower textures, which ruins the visual presentation.

This is the exact same situation 4070 users will find themselfs in, in a couple of years.

And save the nvidia marketing for someone who cares...

 

[azrael]

ProArt line is good just don't believe the 1800 to 1000 price drop, thats not what I have seen the models go for

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[Nekajo]

A friend of mine who has a 3070 and plays at 1440p, is having to use medium or low textures in several games like the last of us and resident evil 4, if he wants to avoid stuttering. The fps is fine, but the games look like crap due to having to lower textures, which ruins the visual presentation.

This is the exact same situation 4070 users will find themselfs in, in a couple of years.

And save the nvidia marketing for someone who cares...

Thats not true at all. Tons of people are playing TLOU and RE4 on 8GB cards today. Games were unoptimized on release. Proof is all over youtube. I know plenty of people running 3070 and 3080 series still while maxing games at 1440p.

Also, those two games were rushed console ports, AMD sponsored games but were fixed long ago. 3070 easily runs them at high settings in 1440p including high textures.

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3070 beats 6700XT with ease in Avatar which has much better looking textures than the games you mention. Even at 4K using Ultra settings.

On average 3070 still very easily beat 6700XT in 2024 - https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-founders-edition/38.html

3070 has better minimum fps even in 4K testing.


Techspot tested 3080 vs 6800XT in 4K recently and 3080 still won. A few games would make the 3080 go low because of vRAM but neither card were able to play the games on those settings; GPU power was lacking. DLSS and FSR saved the day and DLSS looks much better. DLSS has much less shimmering and artifacts than FSR.

GPU power is more important than vRAM in the long run. Upscaling is here to stay. All new demanding games has it.

AMD talks about vRAM because they have nothing else to talk about and it seems you ate their marketing. Funny enough their rushed console ports like TLOU and RE4 came out right before their vRAM marketing slide showing how important vRAM was

You need to learn about RAM allocation it seems.

I am downgrading soon to 16GB vRAM and I could not care less, my performance will go up in all my games anyway. From 7900 XT to 4080 Super + DLSS, DLAA and option for Frame Gen.

 

[Dragam1337]

Thats not true at all. Tons of people are playing TLOU and RE4 on 8GB cards today. Games were unoptimized on release. Proof is all over youtube. I know plenty of people running 3070 and 3080 series still while maxing games at 1440p.

Also, those two games were rushed console ports, AMD sponsored games but were fixed long ago. 3070 easily runs them at high settings in 1440p including high textures.

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3070 beats 6700XT with ease in Avatar which has much better looking textures than the games you mention. Even at 4K using Ultra settings.

On average 3070 still very easily beat 6700XT in 2024 - https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-founders-edition/38.html

3070 has better minimum fps even in 4K testing.

Techspot also tested 3080 vs 6800XT in 4K recently and 3080 still won.

GPU power is more important than vRAM in the long run. DLSS exists as well, easily beating FSR.

AMD talks about vRAM because they have nothing else to talk about and it seems you ate their marketing. Funny enough their rushed console ports like TLOU and RE4 came out right before their vRAM marketing slide showing how important vRAM was

You need to learn about RAM allocation it seems.

I am downgrading soon to 16GB vRAM and I could not care less, my performance will go up in all my games anyway. From 7900 XT to 4080 Super + DLSS, DLAA and option for Frame Gen.

All i can say is that you must be new to the tech industry if you think that vram hasn't been the limiting factor for plenty of gpus throughout history shortly after they were released, or even at release. And this is going to be my last reply, as your nvidia fanboyism is way over the top.

 

[Nekajo]

All i can say is that you must be new to the tech industry if you think that vram hasn't been the limiting factor for plenty of gpus throughout history shortly after they were released, or even at release. And this is going to be my last reply, as your nvidia fanboyism is way over the top.

Been building PCs since 2000 or so, so nah.

6700XT perfectly shows that vRAM is not the only concern. Was priced at 3070 level on release. Lost to 3070 on release and still does. You might be able to find a game or two that has vRAM issues but none of the GPUs are going to play the game on those settings anyway. GPU is too slow.

Yeah I understand since the proof I delivered debunked your claims. Reality hurts, as usual.

 

[azrael]

Would be nice if you stopped bickering. That got that other thread closed.

BTW, for those interested: https://www.mm-vision.dk/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-16gb-proart

 

[Dragam1337]

Would be nice if you stopped bickering. That got that other thread closed.

BTW, for those interested: https://www.mm-vision.dk/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-16gb-proart

Ahhh, it's mm-vision !

Yeah, they usually have great deals, where they sell out all the remaining stock of something - how i got my intel 11700 dirty cheap back when i bought that. Didn't know that they delievered outside the borders though.

 

[azrael]

Ahhh, it's mm-vision !

Yeah, they usually have great deals, where they sell out all the remaining stock of something - how i got my intel 11700 dirty cheap back when i bought that. Didn't know that they delievered outside the borders though.

To be honest I don't know if they do. I live in Denmark (with our 25% VAT ) so no problem for me. Always worth a try though.

 

[Nekajo]

I don't see how thats "cheap" when 4080 Super almost have that price on several sites, Proshop to name one

4080 SUPER has 999 MSRP, the cheapest cards are going to be close to that 4080 ProArt

 

[Dragam1337]

To be honest I don't know if they do. I live in Denmark (with our 25% VAT ) so no problem for me. Always worth a try though.

Ahh, you do live in denmark

In that case it might be worth waiting for this, which releases tomorrow at 15.00 o'clock

https://www.proshop.dk/Grafikkort/ASUS-GeForce-RTX-4070-Ti-SUPER-TUF-16GB-GDDR6X-RAM-Grafikkort/3222415

But the 8k dkk deal on the 4080 proart is very good aswell

 

[azrael]

I don't see how thats "cheap" when 4080 Super almost have that price on several sites, Proshop to name one

4080 SUPER has 999 MSRP, the cheapest cards are going to be close to that 4080 ProArt

Incidentally, Proshop is headquartered in the city I live in, so they're my go-to retailer for hardware. And no, the 4080S being at least €100 more expensive (for the MSRP versions) isn't "almost the same price".

Ahh, you do live in denmark

In that case it might be worth waiting for this, which releases tomorrow at 15.00 o'clock

https://www.proshop.dk/Grafikkort/ASUS-GeForce-RTX-4070-Ti-SUPER-TUF-16GB-GDDR6X-RAM-Grafikkort/3222415

But the 8k dkk deal on the 4080 proart is very good aswell

Well, I've bought the 4080 now. I can always return it within 14 days if I don't want it. But yes, that was/is my dilemma: Should I go for that 4080 or for one of the MSRP 4070 Ti SUPER versions. The pain....

 

[Dragam1337]

Incidentally, Proshop is headquartered in the city I live in, so they're my go-to retailer for hardware. And no, the 4080S being at least €100 more expensive (for the MSRP versions) isn't "almost the same price".


Well, I've bought the 4080 now. I can always return it withing 14 days if I don't want it. But yes, that was/is my dilemma: Should I go for that 4080 or for one of the MSRP 4070 Ti SUPER versions. The pain....

Indeed, 4080s will be 5% faster than 4080, no reason paying 10-15% more for that.

The 4080 is obviously still faster than the 4070 ti super, and the price difference between the 4070 ti super and 4080 proart is nearly liniear with the performance difference, so your choice aint wrong

 

[Nekajo]

Incidentally, Proshop is headquartered in the city I live in, so they're my go-to retailer for hardware. And no, the 4080S being at least €100 more expensive (for the MSRP versions) isn't "almost the same price".


Well, I've bought the 4080 now. I can always return it within 14 days if I don't want it. But yes, that was/is my dilemma: Should I go for that 4080 or for one of the MSRP 4070 Ti SUPER versions. The pain....

Just enjoy, 4080 is great

It probably won't matter if you buy 4070 Ti SUPER, 4080 or 4080 Super in the end

Indeed, 4080s will be 5% faster than 4080, no reason paying 10-15% more for that.

More like 8-10% according to leaks and price is +8.5% in this case, same perf for dollar or close

4080 SUPER gets the full AD103 chip and faster memory, thats it, same arch, same process, same everything, nothing really changed beside the core count and memory speed

Still wondering if we will see a 20GB vRAM offering from Nvidia, with AD102 chip like "4080 Ti/SUPER" or even 4090 "Ti/SUPER (with 24GB vRAM obviously)

But I guess Nvidia has no need to launch a card of this caliber and AMD can't really improve 7900XTX further. AMD might be able to release a slightly higher clocked card, "7950XTX" like 6900 XT to 6950XT but would be almost pointless and probably use alot more power. Chip will be identical.

I guess AMD needs to stop trying in the high-end market and focus on mid-end stuff that actually grabs marketshare back. This is what Radeon 8000 series are supposed to be and the best card here might even beat 7900XT and 4070 Ti range which is still plenty of power for most people.

 

[gffermari]

Oh it’s done already??

anyway. I would say go for it if you can’t wait or you know that the 4080 super is not going to be priced anywhere near the msrp at launch in your country.

Practically super or not cannot save you in the long run. Anything below 10% performance difference is not worth even mentioning. The time you, me and others we need to upgrade, the super users will need to as well.

The 4090 is the only card that deviates ridiculously from the Ada norm.

And upload some photos when you get it.

 

[azrael]

Got my ASUS ProArt RTX 4080 yesterday and suddenly realized that I had never bothered to check whether or not it can fit in my case. Luckily, it seems it can. The card is supposedly 30 cm long and I have room for 32 cm cards in my case (without removing a drive bay that contains drives). I would also be able to fit some of the RTX 4070 Ti SUPER cards, but, for instance, not the ASUS TUF RTX 4080 SUPER, even if I wanted to spend more money.

Now I'm waiting for my new PSU. After thinking of getting the be quiet! Straight Power 12 850W I found the FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W at a reasonable price. Should be in my hands some time next week.