HU tested previous KS models even with 420mm AIO, and the CPUs throttled after a few seconds.360 AIO or don't bother? This seems so pointless. Besides, the 14900K is already well positioned enough.
HU tested previous KS models even with 420mm AIO, and the CPUs throttled after a few seconds.360 AIO or don't bother? This seems so pointless. Besides, the 14900K is already well positioned enough.
Processor | AMD R7 5800X3D |
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Motherboard | Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero |
Cooling | Thermalright Frozen Edge 360, 3x TL-B12 V2, 2x TL-B12 V1 |
Memory | 2x8 G.Skill Trident Z Royal 3200C14, 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z Black and White 3200 C14 |
Video Card(s) | Zotac 4070 Ti Trinity OC |
Storage | WD SN850 1TB, SN850X 2TB, SN770 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 50UP7100 |
Case | Fractal Torrent Compact |
Audio Device(s) | JBL Bar 700 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Vertex GX-1000, Monster HDP1800 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Hero |
Keyboard | Logitech G213 |
VR HMD | Oculus 3 |
Software | Yes |
Benchmark Scores | Yes |
System Name | Good enough |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R9 7900 - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora Edge |
Motherboard | ASRock B650 Pro RS |
Cooling | 2x 360mm NexXxoS ST30 X-Flow, 1x 360mm NexXxoS ST30, 1x 240mm NexXxoS ST30 |
Memory | 32GB - FURY Beast RGB 5600 Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire RX 7900 XT - Alphacool Eisblock Aurora |
Storage | 1x Kingston KC3000 1TB 1x Kingston A2000 1TB, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB |
Display(s) | LG UltraGear 32GN650-B + 4K Samsung TV |
Case | Phanteks NV7 |
Power Supply | GPS-750C |
That's a really bad sign, it means they're clutching at straws trying to limit power draw any way they can. Since turning SMT off reduces utilization and makes everything less efficient doing this only ever makes sense if you are trying to limit power consumption at all costs.Rumour says that the next gen won't have HT anyway. I'm curious if it's true and how it'll do. I'm so used to seeing HT/SMT on every CPU by now that I can't even imagine what life is like without it.
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
That's a really bad sign, it means they're clutching at straws trying to limit power draw any way they can. Since turning SMT off reduces utilization and makes everything less efficient doing this only ever makes sense if you are trying to limit power consumption at all costs.
System Name | Good enough |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R9 7900 - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora Edge |
Motherboard | ASRock B650 Pro RS |
Cooling | 2x 360mm NexXxoS ST30 X-Flow, 1x 360mm NexXxoS ST30, 1x 240mm NexXxoS ST30 |
Memory | 32GB - FURY Beast RGB 5600 Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire RX 7900 XT - Alphacool Eisblock Aurora |
Storage | 1x Kingston KC3000 1TB 1x Kingston A2000 1TB, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB |
Display(s) | LG UltraGear 32GN650-B + 4K Samsung TV |
Case | Phanteks NV7 |
Power Supply | GPS-750C |
It doesn't make sense to compare an E core to a logical thread, if you disable SMT you are inevitably making that core less efficient, I don't mean just power wise but also performance wise. It's a serious regression architecturally. The whole purpose of SMT was to increase the utilization of resources that would otherwise be idle.If you have a ton of efficiency cores that are faster than a logical thread, and your primary cores are faster without sandwitching in threads during idle time, then in theory HT isn't necessary.
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
It goes both ways. It can help use idle resources, if available. But it can also cause resource starvation under heavy load.It doesn't make sense to compare an E core to a logical thread, if you disable SMT you are inevitably making that core less efficient, I don't mean just power wise but also performance wise. It's a serious regression architecturally. The whole purpose of SMT was to increase the utilization of resources that would otherwise be idle.
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
It varies from application to application so from a performance perspective, the current situation is the right one where the user has the option to disable it. If the rumour is true, then it's more likely driven by the idea of reducing the attack surface in shared environments like the "cloud".It goes both ways. It can help use idle resources, if available. But it can also cause resource starvation under heavy load.
Intel engineers are not dumb. They know the usage patterns much better than you and I.
Processor | Intel i9 9900K @5GHz w/ Corsair H150i Pro CPU AiO w/Corsair HD120 RBG fan |
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Motherboard | Asus Z390 Maximus XI Code |
Cooling | 6x120mm Corsair HD120 RBG fans |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance RBG 2x8GB 3600MHz |
Video Card(s) | Asus RTX 3080Ti STRIX OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 EVO Plus 500GB , 970 EVO 1TB, Samsung 850 EVO 1TB SSD, 10TB Synology DS1621+ RAID5 |
Display(s) | Corsair Xeneon 32" 32UHD144 4K |
Case | Corsair 570x RBG Tempered Glass |
Audio Device(s) | Onboard / Corsair Virtuoso XT Wireless RGB |
Power Supply | Corsair HX850w Platinum Series |
Mouse | Logitech G604s |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 Rapidfire |
Software | Windows 11 x64 Professional |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike - 23520 Heaven - 3670 |
System Name | Bragging Rights |
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Processor | Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz |
Motherboard | It has no markings but it's green |
Cooling | No, it's a 2.2W processor |
Memory | 2GB DDR3L-1333 |
Video Card(s) | Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz) |
Storage | 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3 |
Display(s) | 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz |
Case | Veddha T2 |
Audio Device(s) | Apparently, yes |
Power Supply | Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger |
Mouse | MX Anywhere 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all) |
VR HMD | Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though.... |
Software | W10 21H1, barely |
Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
System Name | Computer of Theseus |
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Processor | Intel i9-12900KS: 50x Pcore multi @ 1.18Vcore (target 1.275V -100mv offset) |
Motherboard | EVGA Z690 Classified |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S, 2xThermalRight TY-143, 4xNoctua NF-A12x25,3xNF-A12x15, 2xAquacomputer Splitty9Active |
Memory | G-Skill Trident Z5 (32GB) DDR5-6000 C36 F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5RK |
Video Card(s) | ASUS PROART RTX 4070 Ti-Super OC 16GB, 2670MHz, 0.93V |
Storage | 1x Samsung 970 Pro 512GB NVMe (OS), 2x Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB (data), ASUS BW-16D1HT (BluRay) |
Display(s) | Dell S3220DGF 32" 2560x1440 165Hz Primary, Dell P2017H 19.5" 1600x900 Secondary, Ergotron LX arms. |
Case | Lian Li O11 Air Mini |
Audio Device(s) | Audiotechnica ATR2100X-USB, El Gato Wave XLR Mic Preamp, ATH M50X Headphones, Behringer 302USB Mixer |
Power Supply | Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000W 80+ Platinum White, MODDIY 12VHPWR Cable |
Mouse | Zowie EC3-C |
Keyboard | Vortex Multix 87 Winter TKL (Gateron G Pro Yellow) |
Software | Win 10 LTSC 21H2 |
How about a 1080 external rad, go big. That should be able to dissipate 400 watts. You could even do a 1260.Well by the sounds of it im going to have to buy a case that supports at least 5 rads lol
System Name | Computer of Theseus |
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Processor | Intel i9-12900KS: 50x Pcore multi @ 1.18Vcore (target 1.275V -100mv offset) |
Motherboard | EVGA Z690 Classified |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S, 2xThermalRight TY-143, 4xNoctua NF-A12x25,3xNF-A12x15, 2xAquacomputer Splitty9Active |
Memory | G-Skill Trident Z5 (32GB) DDR5-6000 C36 F5-6000J3636F16GX2-TZ5RK |
Video Card(s) | ASUS PROART RTX 4070 Ti-Super OC 16GB, 2670MHz, 0.93V |
Storage | 1x Samsung 970 Pro 512GB NVMe (OS), 2x Samsung 970 Evo Plus 2TB (data), ASUS BW-16D1HT (BluRay) |
Display(s) | Dell S3220DGF 32" 2560x1440 165Hz Primary, Dell P2017H 19.5" 1600x900 Secondary, Ergotron LX arms. |
Case | Lian Li O11 Air Mini |
Audio Device(s) | Audiotechnica ATR2100X-USB, El Gato Wave XLR Mic Preamp, ATH M50X Headphones, Behringer 302USB Mixer |
Power Supply | Super Flower Leadex Platinum SE 1000W 80+ Platinum White, MODDIY 12VHPWR Cable |
Mouse | Zowie EC3-C |
Keyboard | Vortex Multix 87 Winter TKL (Gateron G Pro Yellow) |
Software | Win 10 LTSC 21H2 |
Product is more for non gamers that are limited to an intel ecosystem. I don't think most people will be buying this.yet an optimized 7800x3d with 30-40 watts in gaming equals it. who the fuck is still buying intel for gaming who has clue?
System Name | The Expanse |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D |
Motherboard | Asus Prime X570-Pro BIOS 5013 AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.Ca. |
Cooling | Corsair H150i Pro |
Memory | 32GB GSkill Trident RGB DDR4-3200 14-14-14-34-1T (B-Die) |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB (24.7.1) |
Storage | WD SN850X 2TB / Corsair MP600 1TB / Samsung 860Evo 1TB x2 Raid 0 / Asus NAS AS1004T V2 20TB |
Display(s) | LG 34GP83A-B 34 Inch 21: 9 UltraGear Curved QHD (3440 x 1440) 1ms Nano IPS 160Hz |
Case | Fractal Design Meshify S2 |
Audio Device(s) | Creative X-Fi + Logitech Z-5500 + HS80 Wireless |
Power Supply | Corsair AX850 Titanium |
Mouse | Corsair Dark Core RGB SE |
Keyboard | Corsair K100 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro x64 22H2 |
Benchmark Scores | 3800X https://valid.x86.fr/1zr4a5 5800X https://valid.x86.fr/2dey9c 5800X3D https://valid.x86.fr/b7d |
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming B550M-Plus (Wi-Fi) |
Cooling | Thermalright PA120 SE; Arctic P12, F12 |
Memory | Crucial BL8G32C16U4W.M8FE1 ×2 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Nitro+ RX 6600 XT |
Storage | Kingston SKC3000D/2048G; Samsung MZVLB1T0HBLR-000L2; Seagate ST1000DM010-2EP102 |
Display(s) | AOC 24G2W1G4 |
Case | Sama MiCube |
Audio Device(s) | Somic G923 |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 GD |
Mouse | Logitech G102 |
Keyboard | Logitech K845 TTC Brown |
Software | Windows 10 Pro 1903, Dism++, CCleaner |
Benchmark Scores | CPU-Z 17.01.64: 3700X @ 4.6 GHz 1.3375 V scoring 557/6206; 760K @ 5 GHz 1.5 V scoring 292/964 |
System Name | Bragging Rights |
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Processor | Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz |
Motherboard | It has no markings but it's green |
Cooling | No, it's a 2.2W processor |
Memory | 2GB DDR3L-1333 |
Video Card(s) | Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz) |
Storage | 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3 |
Display(s) | 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz |
Case | Veddha T2 |
Audio Device(s) | Apparently, yes |
Power Supply | Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger |
Mouse | MX Anywhere 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all) |
VR HMD | Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though.... |
Software | W10 21H1, barely |
Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
I'm curious if such a demographic even exists any more.Product is more for non gamers that are limited to an intel ecosystem. I don't think most people will be buying this.
System Name | HELLSTAR |
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Processor | AMD RYZEN 9 5950X |
Motherboard | ASUS Strix X570-E |
Cooling | 2x 360 + 280 rads. 3x Gentle Typhoons, 3x Phanteks T30, 2x TT T140 . EK-Quantum Momentum Monoblock. |
Memory | 4x8GB G.SKILL Trident Z RGB F4-4133C19D-16GTZR 14-16-12-30-44 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse RX 7900XTX. Water block. Crossflashed. |
Storage | Optane 900P[Fedora] + WD BLACK SN850X 4TB + 750 EVO 500GB + 1TB 980PRO+SN560 1TB(W11) |
Display(s) | Philips PHL BDM3270 + Acer XV242Y |
Case | Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO |
Audio Device(s) | SMSL RAW-MDA1 DAC |
Power Supply | Fractal Design Newton R3 1000W |
Mouse | Razer Basilisk |
Keyboard | Razer BlackWidow V3 - Yellow Switch |
Software | FEDORA 41 |
I'm curious if such a demographic even exists any more.
Just about the only possible answer would be hardcore AVX-512 users and just about every situation I can imagine where heavy AVX-512 is needed, you also need gobs of bandwidth. Consumer i9's are godawful for that which is why they're all using Xeons for AVX-512 workloads.
Am I missing something, is there a productivity workload that doesn't work on Zen4 and needs AVX-512, but not with significant memory quantities or bandwidth? AMD are ahead of intel in just about everything except AVX-512 which is already pretty niche outside of the datacenter and ECC-equipped HEDT pro-tier workstations running Xeons already.
Processor | 13700KF Undervolted @ 5.4, 4.8Ghz Ring 190W PL1 |
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Motherboard | MSI 690-I PRO |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 w/ Arctic P12 Fans |
Memory | 48 GB DDR5 7600 MHZ CL36 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4090 FE |
Storage | 2x 2TB WDC SN850, 1TB Samsung 960 prr |
Display(s) | Alienware 32" 4k 240hz OLED |
Case | SLIGER S620 |
Audio Device(s) | Yes |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 |
Mouse | Xlite V2 |
Keyboard | RoyalAxe |
Software | Windows 11 |
Benchmark Scores | They're pretty good, nothing crazy. |
That's true but it adds a ton of latency, so while you're increasing the utilization, you're actually decreasing the ability of the core to respond, and decreasing the single thread IPC -- if you have a ton of efficiency cores sitting idle while that's all happening, then you're sub-optimizing for the hybrid architecture.It doesn't make sense to compare an E core to a logical thread, if you disable SMT you are inevitably making that core less efficient, I don't mean just power wise but also performance wise. It's a serious regression architecturally. The whole purpose of SMT was to increase the utilization of resources that would otherwise be idle.
System Name | SnowFire / The Reinforcer |
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Processor | i7 10700K 5.1ghz (24/7) / 2x Xeon E52650v2 |
Motherboard | Asus Strix Z490 / Dell Dual Socket (R720) |
Cooling | RX 360mm + 140mm Custom Loop / Dell Stock |
Memory | Corsair RGB 16gb DDR4 3000 CL 16 / DDR3 128gb 16 x 8gb |
Video Card(s) | GTX Titan XP (2025mhz) / Asus GTX 950 (No Power Connector) |
Storage | Samsung 970 1tb NVME and 2tb HDD x4 RAID 5 / 300gb x8 RAID 5 |
Display(s) | Acer XG270HU, Samsung G7 Odyssey (1440p 240hz) |
Case | Thermaltake Cube / Dell Poweredge R720 Rack Mount Case |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec ALC1150 (On board) |
Power Supply | Rosewill Lightning 1300Watt / Dell Stock 750 / Brick |
Mouse | Logitech G5 |
Keyboard | Logitech G19S |
Software | Windows 11 Pro / Windows Server 2016 |
System Name | The Little One |
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Processor | i5-11320H @4.4GHZ |
Motherboard | AZW SEI |
Cooling | Fan w/heat pipes + side & rear vents |
Memory | 64GB Crucial DDR4-3200 (2x 32GB) |
Video Card(s) | Iris XE |
Storage | WD Black SN850X 4TB m.2, Seagate 2TB SSD + SN850 4TB x2 in an external enclosure |
Display(s) | 2x Samsung 43" & 2x 32" |
Case | Practically identical to a mac mini, just purrtier in slate blue, & with 3x usb ports on the front ! |
Audio Device(s) | Yamaha ATS-1060 Bluetooth Soundbar & Subwoofer |
Power Supply | 65w brick |
Mouse | Logitech MX Master 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech G613 mechanical wireless |
Software | Windows 10 pro 64 bit, with all the unnecessary background shitzu turned OFF ! |
Benchmark Scores | PDQ |
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
Neah, winter's almost over. By next winter, we'll have a newer, better heat sourceWell who's using water cooling can try connecting it to room heater and use 14900KS to make through winter lol
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Motherboard | ASUS TUF Gaming X570-PRO (WiFi 6) |
Cooling | Noctua NH-C14S (two fans) |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | Reference Vega 64 |
Storage | Intel 665p 1TB, WD Black SN850X 2TB, Crucial MX300 1TB SATA, Samsung 830 256 GB SATA |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG27, and Samsung S23A700 |
Case | Fractal Design R5 |
Power Supply | Seasonic PRIME TITANIUM 850W |
Mouse | Logitech |
VR HMD | Oculus Rift |
Software | Windows 11 Pro, and Ubuntu 20.04 |
The cost of SMT is far less than its detractors think. The designers of the unreleased EV8 with 4-way SMT reported a 6% increase in die area over a single threaded equivalent. This was over twenty years ago and today the cost is likely to be even smaller. SMT is useful in the case where IPC is low due to low cache hit rates or other non-execution related bottlenecks.That's true but it adds a ton of latency, so while you're increasing the utilization, you're actually decreasing the ability of the core to respond, and decreasing the single thread IPC -- if you have a ton of efficiency cores sitting idle while that's all happening, then you're sub-optimizing for the hybrid architecture.
Turn off SMT on the 7800X3D, and games that aren't threadbound get 5-10% boost.
So if you can limit the wait times, make a more efficient and responsive P core, while offloading the HT style work that would happen in-between high priority instructions to e cores, you're actually making the overall process much faster. -- less theorhetically efficient at full thread load from the point of view of a single P core, but more specialized and more responsive overall.
If eliminating HT hardware also allows you to fit more P cores on the die with a space and a TDP reduction then that win is compounded further.
System Name | Bragging Rights |
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Processor | Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz |
Motherboard | It has no markings but it's green |
Cooling | No, it's a 2.2W processor |
Memory | 2GB DDR3L-1333 |
Video Card(s) | Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz) |
Storage | 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3 |
Display(s) | 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz |
Case | Veddha T2 |
Audio Device(s) | Apparently, yes |
Power Supply | Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger |
Mouse | MX Anywhere 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all) |
VR HMD | Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though.... |
Software | W10 21H1, barely |
Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
Yeah, from what I read of Zen 1's architectural deep dive (where SMT was closer to Intel's HT than Bulldozer's huge amount of pipeline sharing) the actual implementation is almost free in terms of die area.The cost of SMT is far less than its detractors think. The designers of the unreleased EV8 with 4-way SMT reported a 6% increase in die area over a single threaded equivalent. This was over twenty years ago and today the cost is likely to be even smaller. SMT is useful in the case where IPC is low due to low cache hit rates or other non-execution related bottlenecks.
Processor | E5-1680 V2 |
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Motherboard | Rampage IV black |
Video Card(s) | Asrock 7900 xtx |
Storage | 500 gb sd |
Software | windows 10 64 bit |
Benchmark Scores | 29,433 3dmark06 score |