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Well, that was BEFORE I bought this load of chips, now, the actual figure is closer to 50,000,000MW....

As for your envy & my neighbors, there's no need to worry, cause I promise to only turn half of them on at any given time :)
 

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I'm surprised how many games 7800x3d still beats this processor at. and not just by a little either, like solid gains. man AMD hit a home run with x3d cache, I never realized it before, but yeah damn
 
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BTW if AMD wanted to spoil this period they could announce their upcoming product with some performance figures.

I reckon they'd stir the pot enough with just power consumption figures of their upcoming stuff.
 
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Yeah what is a 400w space heater gonna heat, a rabbit hutch?
When I game extensively on a weekend, my game room gets a good couple of degrees warmer that you can feel, even though my whole PC doesn't eat 400 W (or maybe it does just that when fully loaded, which it isn't).

Edit: A space heater that you turn on for half an hour before going to bed eats 2000 W. By using your KS on full power for 2.5 hours, you're putting the exact same amount of heat into your room.
 
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Fastest ever eh? o_O
 

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Has it got threaded E-cores or did the reviewer get it wrong?

Still cannot beat the 7800X3D in gaming though. Intel need to try harder if they want that crown.

It's wrong, the E-cores do not support hyper-threading. There is no physical level difference between this 14900KS, the 14900K, the 13900KS or the original 13900K. It's all binning and how high they are gonna clock. Yes, all of this fanfare for a 2022 CPU.

Fastest ever eh? o_O

That's only on W1zz's game suite, pyrrhic victory if you attempt to take that into the real world. The 7800X3D is not almighty and omnisicient, it's actually a pretty boring CPU with a... well endowed cache :laugh:
 
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When I game extensively on a weekend, my game room gets a good couple of degrees warmer that you can feel, even though my whole PC doesn't eat 400 W (or maybe it does just that when fully loaded, which it isn't).

Edit: A space heater that you turn on for half an hour before going to bed eats 2000 W. By using your KS on full power for 2.5 hours, you're putting the exact same amount of heat into your room.
Why would you use the ks at full power for 3 hours? If people wanna do some actual productivity on those they don't run them without power limits. Just because reviewers run blender on a loop at 400 watts doesn't mean end users do.

hat's only on W1zz's game suite, pyrrhic victory if you attempt to take that into the real world. The 7800X3D is not almighty and omnisicient, it's actually a pretty boring CPU with a... well endowed cache :laugh:
Besides the few games that cache does wonders (msfs for example) it's not winning even a 12900k consistently, let alone a 13900k, ks, 14900k or ks. I don't know what type of coolaid people are drinking.
 
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Why complain about how inefficient it is if you are an AMD user with no intention of ever buying Intel? just pointless bleating.

This chip is aimed at a specific group who do not care about efficiency or power user, but i guess some people just cannot grasp that.
 
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Why complain about how inefficient it is if you are an AMD user with no intention of ever buying Intel? just pointless bleating.

This chip is aimed at a specific group who do not care about efficiency or power user, but i guess some people just cannot grasp that.
Ι care a lot about efficiency and I'm still interested. But I have no plans on using it out of the box at 500 watts, lol :D
 
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Why complain about how inefficient it is if you are an AMD user with no intention of ever buying Intel? just pointless bleating.

This chip is aimed at a specific group who do not care about efficiency or power user, but i guess some people just cannot grasp that.

Actually, the KS is aimed at people who *do* care about efficiency. It's a word often conflated with "economy". A processor can be efficient, but not economic, just like a car engine. The entire purpose of binned processors is to ensure that they have the best v/f curve possible, which is what enables them to reach such heights. Even if at face value, you're getting 400 W draw - if it's reaching 6.2 bloody GHz, what would take, say, a common 13900K to achieve the same? 600 W under the same conditions? Being fully aware that the 13900K and this 14900KS are physically the exact same processor sharing each and every single characteristic overall? That's what the KS chips are all about, it's basically Intel's own version of the "Silicon Lottery" shop of old.
 
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Actually, the KS is aimed at people who *do* care about efficiency. It's a word often conflated with "economy". A processor can be efficient, but not economic, just like a car engine. The entire purpose of binned processors is to ensure that they have the best v/f curve possible, which is what enables them to reach such heights. Even if at face value, you're getting 400 W draw - if it's reaching 6.2 bloody GHz, what would take, say, a common 13900K to achieve the same? 600 W under the same conditions? Being fully aware that the 13900K and this 14900KS are physically the exact same processor sharing each and every single characteristic overall? That's what the KS chips are all about, it's basically Intel's own version of the "Silicon Lottery" shop of old.
Yeap, spot on. Which is basically why a 14900ks at 5.5 ghz will basically sip power sitting at a very comfortable spot in the vf curve.

For people to understand what binning does, under same conditions (tlou 1080p) couldbt drop the 13900k below 140 watts without losing performance. I managed to drop the 14900k to 95 watts. The difference is absurd.
 
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This chip is aimed at a specific group who do not care about efficiency or power user, but i guess some people just cannot grasp that.
Hi,
Yep
If anyone was waiting for a good time to up to a 14700k it just dropped to under 400.us hehe
 
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Yeah what is a 400w space heater gonna heat, a rabbit hutch?
I love how tech enthusiasts blow things way out of proportion.

Yes it's hot. No, it's not going to singlehandedly advance global warming, or heat your whole home.
 
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One important question - is this even a viable product? At those frequencies, temperatures and power draw? Or is it an expensive PR stunt, expensive because Intel will keep a large amount of spare CPUs to be able to fulfill warranty claims for failed CPUs?

BTW a computer may not be a toy, it can store valuable data, results of a lot of manhours of work of a lot of people, data important for sentimental and personal reasons, etc, and some CPU instability with possible data corruptions is not something anybody wants.

Reliability of CPUs and other important computer parts is something that should never be sacrificed. Are people in Intel sincerely certain, that this product is stable, reliable and safe to use?

I doubt it.
 
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Reliability of CPUs and other important computer parts is something that should never be sacrificed. Are people in Intel sincerely certain, that this product is stable, reliable and safe to use?

I doubt it.

I don't. This is not any different from the i9-13900KS. One year without any reliability issues.
 
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I don't. This is not any different from the i9-13900KS. One year without any reliability issues.
That is good, that your ONE processor performs well.

All the CPUs in the hands of the customers will:

1) have different chip quality, some will require higher voltage and with produce more heat than others.

I just checked overclock.net and it seems that 14900KS often require more than 1,5V. The voltage spread so far seems to be around 0,1V, which is a lot.

2) be cooled differently and run at different temperatures.

3) have different power limits applied, some no power limits at all,

4) have different voltage and load line settings, some will be undervolted, some not

5) be subjected to different load

This all will result in widely different stress each chip will encounter, and I am convinced that the chips which are set at the ABSOLUTE EDGE WHAT THE SILICON CAN HANDLE and which will find themselves is a less favourable combination of above factors will have high failure rate.
 
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That is good, that your ONE processor performs well.

All the CPUs in the hands of the customers will:

1) have different chip quality, some will require higher voltage and with produce more heat than others.

I just checked oveclock.net and it seems that 14900KS often require more than 1,5V. The voltage spread so far seems to be around 0,1V, which is a lot.

2) be cooled differently and run at different temperatures.

3) have different power limits applied, some no power limits at all,

4) have different voltage and load line settings, some will be undervolted, some not

5) be subjected to different load

This all will result in widely different stress each chip will encounter, and I am convinceded that the chips which are set at the ABSOLUTE EDGE WHAT THE SILICON CAN HANDLE and which will find themselves is a less favourable combination of above factors will have high failure rate.

1. Intel has always taken reliability very seriously, if I recall correctly, the processors are designed to last for 20+ years in their rated specification (aka maximum junction temperature and full load). All of these CPUs are screened to match their quality standards. So if you run your i9 at the rated ~253 W/100°C, expect it to last a very long time. This will also address the other concerns, but remember that Intel is only obligated to warrant and ensure that the processor behaves within their official specifications. Load-line, unlimited PL, etc. all falls outside of scope, and even then they have ensured every single step of the way that they operate reliably regardless.

2. Different chip quality, yes, but here's the thing: the 13900K, 13900KS, 14900K and 14900KS are technically the exact same processor, unchanged. Not only doesn't the "14th gen" bring any chip-level improvements, but they retain the exact same capabilities, characteristics, and even hardware revision/stepping. As you may have guessed: the difference between these four models is indeed their quality.

That's why KS processors take a couple of months after production has started to begin showing, there are not a lot of samples that match the standards required to build these SKUs. It's actually amazing that after a year of manufacturing them, Intel managed to more or less level out the standard grade i9-14900K with the 13900KS, which just proves the sheer maturity of the Intel 7 node, and that alone should address most of your reliability concerns. In fact, if you want a reliable piece of silicon, there's no option in the market that will measure up. It'll take a long time until Intel 4 and any subsequent node has this level of performance.

I assume that they're able to select the chips that make each cut because their first-party foundry services, R&D labs, product engineering, packaging and assembly as well as all other critical steps are vertically integrated from sand to silicon, and this would reflect on Raptor Lake breaking every single frequency limit as of late: the absolute cream of the crop gets sent out to extreme overclockers as press samples, following top percentile of chips then sold as i9 KS and then the rest goes down as standard grade i9's, then eventually i7's, i5's, etc.
 
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Why would you use the ks at full power for 3 hours? If people wanna do some actual productivity on those they don't run them without power limits. Just because reviewers run blender on a loop at 400 watts doesn't mean end users do.
Maybe you work on the CPU besides gaming. Or maybe you fold/crunch in your PC's free time. It also applies to any hardware that uses this amount of power (a 4090, for example).

Why complain about how inefficient it is if you are an AMD user with no intention of ever buying Intel? just pointless bleating.

This chip is aimed at a specific group who do not care about efficiency or power user, but i guess some people just cannot grasp that.
My main PC is full AMD right now, but that doesn't mean that it's always been the case, or that my two HTPCs aren't Intel + Nvidia (which they are). It also doesn't mean that I'll never be interested in buying an Intel product ever again. Assuming that any kind of criticism against a product must originate from brand loyalty is a very narrow-minded way of thinking.
 

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Fastest ever eh? o_O
Ah yes, 1080p RTX 4090 singleplayer gaming (TPU doesn't test multiplayer because it's almost impossible to do consistently), truly the peak of experience.

Even in singleplayer gaming which isn't too intensive on CPU, 14900KS under an air cooler has better 1% lows than 7800X3D.

I love how tech enthusiasts blow things way out of proportion.

Yes it's hot. No, it's not going to singlehandedly advance global warming, or heat your whole home.
It's not even that hot, 85 C stock under 360 mm AIO while drawing 375 W.

75 C same conditions delidded.

With custom water and a good motherboard, this chip would be incredibly fun to tune.
 
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It's not even that hot, 85 C stock under 360 mm AIO while drawing 375 W.

75 C same conditions delidded.

With custom water and a good motherboard, this chip would be incredibly fun to tune.
I suppose you know that heat and temperature are not the same thing. A 7800X3D at 85 °C produces a lot less heat than a 14900KS at 85 °C. Heat is a lot more correlated to power consumption than to temperature.
 

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I suppose you know that heat and temperature are not the same thing. A 7800X3D at 85 °C produces a lot less heat than a 14900KS at 85 °C. Heat is a lot more correlated to power consumption than to temperature.
Hot = observation of temperature e.g. having a high degree of temperature.

Heat = the quality of being hot.

What you're talking about is a physics explanation where the correct term would be heat flow or heat transfer.

I used the correct terminology.

Heat may be "correlated" with power draw, but it's more closely correlated with temperature resistance gradients, e.g. how easily "heat" transfers away from its source and diffuses into the environment. Incidentally, this is why cooling in space is very difficult, no medium to dump heat into.

A stock 7800X3D is "hotter" than a stock 14900KS, because the temperature resistance gradient is worse, despite a much higher "efficiency", or lower power consumption.

The reason why the 14900KS tested "hot" in TPU testing is because we used a upper mid range air cooler, so the limit was the cooling capacity not the chip. Put both a 7800X3D and a 14900KS under a 360 mm AIO or custom loop and the 14900KS will run "cooler".

You are of course welcome to check my definitions.
 
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Hot = observation of temperature e.g. having a high degree of temperature.

Heat = the quality of being hot.

What you're talking about is a physics explanation where the correct term would be heat flow or heat transfer.

I used the correct terminology.
No. "In thermodynamics, heat is the thermal energy transferred between systems due to a temperature difference." "Temperature is a physical quantity that quantitatively expresses the attribute of hotness or coldness." - Wikipedia

Heat is an amount of energy transferred between systems. It has nothing to do with "the quality of being hot" (which is what temperature is). Temperature is a single value characterising the energy level of a single point in space measured at a single point in time. Heat is measured in Joules. Temperature is measured in degrees Celsius/Fahrenheit or Kelvins. They are vastly different things.
 

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No. "In thermodynamics, heat is the thermal energy transferred between systems due to a temperature difference." "Temperature is a physical quantity that quantitatively expresses the attribute of hotness or coldness." - Wikipedia

Heat is an amount of energy transferred between systems. It has nothing to do with "the quality of being hot" (which is what temperature is). Temperature is a single value characterising the energy level of a single point in space measured at a single point in time. Heat is measured in Joules. Temperature is measured in degrees Celsius/Fahrenheit. They are vastly different things.
But this isn't thermodynamics. I used the "hot" linguistic term as a descriptive in a casual sentence, where it was correctly used according to its dictionary definition when used in language. If I had used that term in a scientific paper, it would be inappropriate and vague.

Besides, I never used the word "heat".
 
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Heat may be "correlated" with power draw, but it's more closely correlated with temperature resistance gradients, e.g. how easily "heat" transfers away from its source and diffuses into the environment. Incidentally, this is why cooling in space is very difficult, no medium to dump heat into.

A stock 7800X3D is "hotter" than a stock 14900KS, because the temperature resistance gradient is worse, despite a much higher "efficiency", or lower power consumption.

The reason why the 14900KS tested "hot" in TPU testing is because we used a upper mid range air cooler, so the limit was the cooling capacity not the chip. Put both a 7800X3D and a 14900KS under a 360 mm AIO or custom loop and the 14900KS will run "cooler".

You are of course welcome to check my definitions.
Yes, the 14900K itself will run cooler, because it transfers its heat to the environment much more effectively. Therefore, the environment around the 14900K will be much hotter due to this transfer, and due to absorbing way more heat coming from the 14900K than the 7800X3D.
 
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