14900 KS - the fastest Intel processor ever just launched

[nguyen]

If a CPU is having trouble at stock, it's defective and you should send it back, not run some half hearted underclock. The reality is more likely to be "I messed up the component choices/build/BIOS settings/software, and now my system is unstable".

I know which of those two scenarios (defective or user error) I'm more inclined to believe.

Nah Intel 12th/13th could be unstable at stock clocks (though with unlimited power that every motherboard gives them). Looks like 14900k is no different

Intel Core i9-13900K and i7-13700K Gaming Stability Issues Linked to Power Limit Unlocks

Users of Intel's 13th Gen unlocked K-series processors such as Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K, are reporting stability issues when gaming even at stock clock-speeds. Hassan Mujtaba of Wccftech and Tom's Hardware have isolated the issues to power limit unlocks. Most Z690 and Z790 chipset motherboards...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[dgianstefani]

Nah Intel 12th/13th could be unstable at stock clocks (though with unlimited power that every motherboard gives them). Looks like 14900k is no different

Intel Core i9-13900K and i7-13700K Gaming Stability Issues Linked to Power Limit Unlocks

Users of Intel's 13th Gen unlocked K-series processors such as Core i9-13900K, i7-13700K, are reporting stability issues when gaming even at stock clock-speeds. Hassan Mujtaba of Wccftech and Tom's Hardware have isolated the issues to power limit unlocks. Most Z690 and Z790 chipset motherboards...

www.techpowerup.com

It's not stock if the motherboard is doing it's own thing with power delivery instead of running at Intel spec.

 

[nguyen]

It's not stock if the motherboard is doing it's own thing with power delivery.

Lol yeah so my friend who bought one the best mobo for his 14900k (Z790 Aorus Master), run everything at stocks, still get crashes. The only solution is to run below stock clocks.

I'm sure Intel could do a lot better than this furnace CPU.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Intel's history of releasing products certified for ~20 years of use.

Man, Intel has huge problems now, they are desperate.

If they ever sold CPUs made with old VERY ROBUST processes and with huge safety margins built into stock settings, which really had 20 years life, that is simply not true anymore.

 

[AusWolf]

Really? ~20% faster single threaded than the 7950X doesn't support that claim. Just because in singleplayer gaming the cache of the X3D brings the two brands neck and neck doesn't mean that the 14900KS isn't the fastest in both ST and MT, considering the cache really doesn't help much outside gaming. Hence "the fastest CPU". Even 13600K has faster ST performance than the 7950X. Stock 14900KS multicore of 42500 compared to 38000 isn't too shabby either.

1817 vs 2410 ST 7800X3D vs 14900KS, I hope the games where 3DVCache works are worth it if you want to cling to 7800X3D is the fastest. I know that mine doesn't always seem as fast as what other tuned Intel rigs can do in the multiplayer games I play, and I'm running a balls to the wall BCLK and RAM tune with the best ambient cooling money can buy. Of course, either is a fantastic gaming experience, but you're trying to claim that the 14900KS isn't the fastest in ST, and that's factually incorrect, by quite a margin.

Nah - I'm trying to claim that the 14900K(S) isn't the fastest consumer CPU in every scenario. Calling it as such is unnecessary hype.

Sure, what it can do in Cinebench MT, or even ST is mighty impressive, but considering its price and power consumption, it very well should be.

Personally, I only play slow-paced single player games like Alan Wake 2, and I've got a mid-range GPU, so for me, the 7800X3D is way more than I could ask for.

 

[kapone32]

1. Yes https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...ertising-class-action-lawsuit-bulldozer-chips
2. They don't have market share. They can't act like a cartel if they are losing on every segment.
3. MBA reference GPUs are always worse than their AIB counterparts
4. Again defending your PC when no one else brought it up
5. AMD's "dedication" is some dead API that was supported on a grand total of 5 games? Please.

1. Bulldozer, that lawsuit was just a money grab I know I saw 8 cores on my 8320 but anyways you got me there.
2. Let us leave North America as representing the entire world. BTW AMD has gained 10% in the last few months. If they were losing in every segment what powers the Ally and Steam Deck? Why is the 6600 from As Rock still the number 1 selling GPU on Newegg.ca?
3. Yes AMD does turn down the clock on it's own cards. That allows Sapphire to sell Nitro+ cards at a premium as they come turned up. That does not mean you cannot achieve the same OC using an AMD branded card. I have not heard them complain about being squeezed.
4. It does not matter. The 7800X3D was represented as the fastest X3D chip to use against the 14900KS and it really is not.
5. Dead API that morphed into a foundational part of DX12 but I guess you play all DX11 Games. It might have as many Games as Nvidia has that support it's RT tech.

There is no scenario where you can compare AMD to Intel or Nvidia. We did not ask for 16 core CPUs but we got them. We did not ask for Vcache but we got it. Those are cause. What is the effect. This CPU that is only good if you use it as it was intended. That does bring back the argument about power draw though as they have to do this to try to stay relevant at the top end in DIY. Now we are talking about disabling parts of the CPU to make it run better. That is like someone buying a 5950X and turining off 1 CCD.

 

[AusWolf]

If a CPU is having trouble at stock, it's defective and you should send it back, not run some half hearted underclock. The reality is more likely to be "I messed up the component choices/build/BIOS settings/software, and now my system is unstable".

I know which of those two scenarios (defective or user error) I'm more inclined to believe.

Hm... Honestly, I've never seen a defective CPU in my life, so I'm inclined to agree with you. Either the motherboard or PSU is inadequate for the task, or a BIOS update is needed to supply the CPU with the correct voltages, or maybe the motherboard is defective. The CPU being bad, or not being able to operate at stock would be the last thing that I'd think about.

 

[nguyen]

Man, Intel has huge problems now, they are desperate.

If they ever sold CPUs made with old VERY ROBUST processes and with huge safety margins built into stock settings, which really had 20 years life, that is simply not true anymore.

I think of the 14900KS as the guy who sprints a little bit faster than the average speed of marathon runner .

I really wish 14th gen had been better so I can upgrade without changing motherboard, but 14th gen are afterall just slightly better binned chips

 

[BoggledBeagle]

I think of the 14900KS as the guy who sprints a little bit faster than the average speed of marathon runner .

And will drop dead on the track?

 

[Dr. Dro]

See everybody?!

Even this normal 14900K could not work at its extreme stock frequencies, nobody can convince me the 14900KS is a TRULY viable and reliable product at its even more extreme speed.

My 14900K just wiggled its corner as an appreciation that I run it only at 5200 MHz.

I... have no such issues with my 13900KS. But I do have the adequate hardware for it. 1300 W power supply, motherboard with a very strong direct 19-phase 105A VRM and dual 8-pin EPS input connected, adequate cooling, etc.

 

[freeagent]

Why are AMD guys in here pushing their AMD opinions? I came in here to read about this CPU, not a damn 7800X3D lol.

 

[dgianstefani]

Why are AMD guys in here pushing their AMD opinions? I came in here to read about this CPU, not a damn 7800X3D lol.

Basically a cope, they have to justify their purchases.

 

[AusWolf]

Why are AMD guys in here pushing their AMD opinions? I came in here to read about this CPU, not a damn 7800X3D lol.

Basically a cope, they have to justify their purchases.

I thought comparing different options with some level of critical thinking was a reasonable thing to do. Obviously, I was wrong. My apologies. All hail the 14900KS, the king of personal computing!

 

[FoulOnWhite]

Discussing something by saying "what about this instead" or "this is better" is not discussing it.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Why are AMD guys in here pushing their AMD opinions? I came in here to read about this CPU, not a damn 7800X3D lol.

I see what you did there. Hahahah. Naughty.

 

[AusWolf]

Discussing something by saying "what about this instead" or "this is better" is not discussing it.

I was discussing it. The thread title says "the fastest processor ever". My claim is that it's not always the case, therefore, it's a misleading title.

Edit: Anyway, if some people have got nothing better to do than to drool over "the fastest CPU ever made" without examining it from different points of view, then be my guest. Maybe we should have another "fastest CPU ever" thread every single time Intel releases something. Surely, that would be highly beneficial and informative for the tech community.

 

[freeagent]

I thought comparing different options with some level of critical thinking was a reasonable thing to do. Obviously, I was wrong. My apologies.

But its all the time man. People already know what AMD have. Old news now, right? This is news. Might not be the best news, but it is still new.

I am running AMD myself, not the newest, but still been with them for 4 years. Its been great, no problems, smooth sailing the entire time!

But I am interested in what Intel does too and I hold no bias. Except I probably wouldn't buy an AMD GPU. Only bias I have.

 

[ARF]

I was discussing it. The thread title says "the fastest processor ever". My claim is that it's not always the case, therefore, it's a misleading title.

It is misleading because AMD's Ryzen Threadripper and EPYC are faster, much faster. And Intel's own Xeons are faster.

 

[AusWolf]

But its all the time man. People already know what AMD have. Old news now, right? This is news. Might not be the best news, but it is still new.

I am running AMD myself, not the newest, but still been with them for 4 years. Its been great, no problems, smooth sailing the entire time!

But I am interested in what Intel does too and I hold no bias. Except I probably wouldn't buy an AMD GPU. Only bias I have.

There's always some troll posting "but... but... X3D" under an Intel thread, just like there's always some annoying little *** posting "but... but... DLSS" under an AMD GPU thread. I agree that it's pointless, and annoying, but I see nothing wrong with looking into why some arguments for or against a certain product holds (or doesn't hold) merit. Accepting claims such as "this is the fastest thing ever" without thorough examination is not my thing.

Edit: I also think that X3D isn't the holy grail of gaming. Sure, it helps a lot of times, but it also introduces an extra layer of thermal insulation, which necessitates lower voltages and clock speeds, which can hurt in certain (especially non-gaming) scenarios. I only upgraded because of the much lower power consumption and reasonable cooling requirements. Otherwise, I'd be fine with a 7700X.

 

[dgianstefani]

It is misleading because AMD's Ryzen Threadripper and EPYC are faster, much faster. And Intel's own Xeons are faster.

Only in pure MT software, i.e. enterprise software. In most software (including software that utilizes MT, but isn't perfectly parallelized (so, most software)), fewer, faster cores, with better memory support and lower latency (if you can call 24 cores "few"), are still faster. There's also the price difference, ~$750 vs $10k is no comparison.

The statement "the fastest processor ever" is accurate. Sure, there's exceptions, but in >90% of tasks, this CPU either is out of the box, or has the potential to be with some minor settings, the fastest.

If I was building a new PC for myself, I'd build with this. The thing is, I built my PC four years ago, moved to AM5 one year ago, and it's not worth changing my entire platform for the KS.

 

[AusWolf]

Only in pure MT software, i.e. enterprise software. In most software (including software that utilizes MT, but isn't perfectly parallelized (so, most software)), fewer, faster cores, with better memory support and lower latency (if you can call 24 cores "few"), are still faster. There's also the price difference, ~$750 vs $10k is no comparison.

The statement "the fastest processor ever" is accurate. Sure, there's exceptions, but in >90% of tasks, this CPU either is out of the box, or has the potential to be with some minor settings, the fastest.

That's what I mean. The statement isn't wrong, but incomplete. Just like calling the 7800X3D "the fastest CPU for gaming" would be an incomplete statement. Sure, it is the fastest in most cases, but not all of them.

Unfortunately, the modern world is full of such incomplete statements, driving everybody mad. But I digress.

 

[dgianstefani]

That's what I mean. The statement isn't wrong, but incomplete. Just like calling the 7800X3D "the fastest CPU for gaming" would be an incomplete statement. Sure, it is the fastest in most cases, but not all of them.

Unfortunately, the modern world is full of such incomplete statements, driving everybody mad. But I digress.

It's the fastest at singleplayer games out of the box, at 1080p with an RTX 4090. Whether that's "most cases" or not, depends on what you play.

There's also significant tradeoffs with the 7800X3D, it's a compromise chip, like the 7950X3D. You have to give up monolithic, fast memory support, per core/all core OC options or even the ability to run at locked clocks (always variable, you can BCLK OC but it's tricky), be satisfied with hot temperatures if you aren't willing to delid despite low wattage, can't do MT effectively, have to deal with AMD AGESA perpetual beta experience, etc.

 

[AusWolf]

It's the fastest at singleplayer games out of the box. Whether that's "most cases" or not, depends on what you play.

And that's exactly why the opening statement is inaccurate.

If I could go back a year, I wouldn't upgrade to the 7800X3D. Sure, it's fast, and I love its modest power consumption, but the 7700X isn't so much worse for me to feel it in my day-to-day, especially with a mid-range GPU.

 

[freeagent]

I am running my X3D right now, but it isn't like my 5900X cant play games either and be completely satisfying. Heck even my 5600X is pretty decent. I would be ok with running my 5600X even now. I would have to run the shit out of it of course

 

[AusWolf]

There's also significant tradeoffs with the 7800X3D, it's a compromise chip, like the 7950X3D. You have to give up monolithic, fast memory support, per core/all core OC options or even the ability to run at locked clocks (always variable, you can BCLK OC but it's tricky), be satisfied with hot temperatures if you aren't willing to delid despite low wattage, can't do MT effectively, have to deal with AMD AGESA perpetual beta experience, etc.

It's not hot. Mine runs at 82 °C max under a be quiet! Dark Rock 4. Other than that, every CPU is a compromise. With the X3D, you compromise clock speeds, memory clocks, OC, etc... But you also compromise with the 14900KS, there's thermal problems, power consumption, platform and PSU costs, etc. Everything is a compromise one way or another - this is my point!