Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

tabascosauz · Apr 27, 2024

Shou Miko said:
AM5 Epyc Zen4 cpu's even with 3D v-cache is spotted:

AMD EPYC 4004 Zen4 "AM5" CPUs with 3D V-Cache have been leaked - VideoCardz.com

EPYC 4004 CPUs spotted on sale in the USA A seller from California has briefly listed AMD’s yet unreleased EPYC 4004 series of CPUs for the AM5 socket. AMD is about to launch AM5-based EPYC server processors, and there is now evidence that this is indeed happening. As we reported 3 days ago...

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So......just binned Raphael? Literally what Intel did since like 2011 with Xeon E3/E5

Super Firm Tofu · Apr 27, 2024

Sooooo... I just flashed 1.1.7.0 on my Aorus Elite AX (F24c - possibly a beta??).

I've run into something I haven't seen before. No matter what setting I choose for the IGP within the BIOS, it remains enabled and when installing Adrenalin, drivers for Radeon Graphics are installed and configured alongside the 7900XTX. I can disable in the Device Manager to get around the issue, but I was just curious if anyone else has run into it in the latest or previous AGESA versions.

Also, GB moved Memory Context Restore and Power Down mode into the AMD Overclocking section and it's no longer in the Advanced Memory Settings section. :shadedshu:

tabascosauz · Apr 27, 2024

Super Firm Tofu said:
Sooooo... I just flashed 1.1.7.0 on my Aorus Elite AX (F24c - possibly a beta??).

I've run into something I haven't seen before. No matter what setting I choose for the IGP within the BIOS, it remains enabled and when installing Adrenalin, drivers for Radeon Graphics are installed and configured alongside the 7900XTX. I can disable in the Device Manager to get around the issue, but I was just curious if anyone else has run into it in the latest or previous AGESA versions.

Also, GB moved Memory Context Restore and Power Down mode into the AMD Overclocking section and it's no longer in the Advanced Memory Settings section.

I didn't even know there was a BIOS toggle to disable iGPU. Only the display priority iGPU or dGPU

Anything with a letter suffix should still be a beta for GB

Super Firm Tofu · Apr 27, 2024

tabascosauz said:
I didn't even know there was a BIOS toggle to disable iGPU. Only the display priority iGPU or dGPU

Anything with a letter suffix should still be a beta for GB

Yeah, it was there before and also on the MSI board I had at launch.

And maybe I misspoke about the MCR. There's nothing left anywhere in the BIOS by that name, but now this (Robust Training Mode) is what's buried in AMD overclocking.

Something's changed because now post time is almost instant. I'll go back to the last non-beta and see what happens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I also need to figure out what 'Nitro Mode' is - it was enabled by default.

*edit*

Flashed F23 (1.1.0.2b) and the IGP disable problem is gone, and Power Down, Gear Down, and MCR are back where they were under Advanced Memory Settings.

Athlonite · Apr 27, 2024

Chicken Patty said:
yeah this board seems to draw a lot of power regardless. I can try going lower, maybe at some other time. What are your ambient temps like?

all year round 22c

kapone32 · Apr 28, 2024

Super Firm Tofu said:
Yeah, it was there before and also on the MSI board I had at launch.

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And maybe I misspoke about the MCR. There's nothing left anywhere in the BIOS by that name, but now this (Robust Training Mode) is what's buried in AMD overclocking.

View attachment 345372

Something's changed because now post time is almost instant. I'll go back to the last non-beta and see what happens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I also need to figure out what 'Nitro Mode' is - it was enabled by default.

*edit*

Flashed F23 (1.1.0.2b) and the IGP disable problem is gone, and Power Down, Gear Down, and MCR are back where they were under Advanced Memory Settings.

Every AM4/5 board BIOS has a toggle for IGPU disabled. The only exceptions are the boards that have no Display out on the rear panel.

tabascosauz · Apr 28, 2024

Super Firm Tofu said:
Yeah, it was there before and also on the MSI board I had at launch.

View attachment 345371

And maybe I misspoke about the MCR. There's nothing left anywhere in the BIOS by that name, but now this (Robust Training Mode) is what's buried in AMD overclocking.

View attachment 345372

Something's changed because now post time is almost instant. I'll go back to the last non-beta and see what happens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I also need to figure out what 'Nitro Mode' is - it was enabled by default.

*edit*

Flashed F23 (1.1.0.2b) and the IGP disable problem is gone, and Power Down, Gear Down, and MCR are back where they were under Advanced Memory Settings.

I do miss GB and Asus BIOS though. ASRock's BIOS is kinda dated and light on features. iGPU toggle is not anywhere accessible, I gotta do some digging.

kapone32 · Apr 28, 2024

tabascosauz said:
I do miss GB and Asus BIOS though. ASRock's BIOS is kinda dated and light on features. iGPU toggle is not anywhere accessible, I gotta do some digging.

PCIE sub setting or IOMMU I think.

Super Firm Tofu · Apr 28, 2024

tabascosauz said:
I do miss GB and Asus BIOS though. ASRock's BIOS is kinda dated and light on features. iGPU toggle is not anywhere accessible, I gotta do some digging.

Other than this weird beta BIOS issue, I've really gotten to like GB's new layout. I still am much better with navigating MSI, but now that I've got GB and Asus everything is all new again. :laugh:

TheLostSwede · Apr 28, 2024

Super Firm Tofu said:
Other than this weird beta BIOS issue, I've really gotten to like GB's new layout. I still am much better with navigating MSI, but now that I've got GB and Asus everything is all new again.

I'm not super keen on it and the colour scheme makes me want to barf.
MSI I find a confusing mess since they went to their "panels".

Klemc · Apr 28, 2024

Klemc said:
So, about my Asus, it's B650E-E for 7800x3d, what do you think of the numbers ?:

Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

so maybe bz's info about 2033FCLK for 3000UCLK was outdated (and whoever else was claiming in here that certain hidden Fabric-UCLK ratios exist and should be followed)? Or it's just AIDA being AIDA and ycruncher will reveal that 2033 does perform better. Who knows. Seems to be too big a...

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Somebody to tell me what the numbers given by my CPU-Z comapred to the other same CPU would be interpretad ?:

Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

so maybe bz's info about 2033FCLK for 3000UCLK was outdated (and whoever else was claiming in here that certain hidden Fabric-UCLK ratios exist and should be followed)? Or it's just AIDA being AIDA and ycruncher will reveal that 2033 does perform better. Who knows. Seems to be too big a...

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mechtech · Apr 28, 2024

the54thvoid said:
I'm posting this in case anyone wants a Ryzen thread for troubleshooting and guidance. As someone with a build about to happen, I have a feeling I might need some help. New wave of CPU'S means teething probs.
So, feedback on BIOS issues, memory hints and general tweaks could be useful.

Trolls are welcome because frankly, I don't mind a fight. I've moved from a stalwart i7 3930k to a completely alien and 'untested' environment. I put my money where someone elses mouth was.

Let's make Ryzen a trouble free experience...

Be nice if there was a sticky for a bios guide. I have read many different sites about HPET, and 10 other bios settings with conflicting info that I just leave everything at defaults.

tabascosauz · Apr 28, 2024

Klemc said:
Somebody to tell me what the numbers given by my CPU-Z comapred to the other same CPU would be interpretad ?:

Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

so maybe bz's info about 2033FCLK for 3000UCLK was outdated (and whoever else was claiming in here that certain hidden Fabric-UCLK ratios exist and should be followed)? Or it's just AIDA being AIDA and ycruncher will reveal that 2033 does perform better. Who knows. Seems to be too big a...

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How many times you gonna post this lol

Scores look fine. Mine is 701/7680something.

RJARRRPCGP · Apr 28, 2024

Keullo-e said:
Updated my BIOS because why not.

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I've always liked to keep them up to date anyway even if there's no actual benefits, no matter the platform.

Asus, with the ROG Strix-F Gaming has had the "LogoFail" fix since January and there was another update in April, making Asus very quick to patching!

Super Firm Tofu said:
Also, GB moved Memory Context Restore and Power Down mode into the AMD Overclocking section and it's no longer in the Advanced Memory Settings section.

That seems awkward!

tabascosauz · Apr 28, 2024

kapone32 said:
PCIE sub setting or IOMMU I think.

Found it. NBIO>GFX config

Didn't think to look there since the dropdown is there in AM4, but only with the UMA modes, no iGPU disable mode

Space Lynx · Apr 28, 2024

TheLostSwede said:
Well, there have been som weird UEFI security issues that have been patched, so it might not be for nothing this time around.
Specifically this:

LogoFAIL Vulnerability Affects Almost Every PC Running Windows and Linux

Binarly's research team has discovered a collection of security vulnerabilities known as "LogoFAIL", which affects image parsing components within the UEFI firmware of a wide array of devices. These vulnerabilities are especially concerning because they are embedded within the reference code...

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You have me beat in CPU-Z by some margin, so it's looking pretty good to me.
I would try and tweak the memory timings though, they're very relaxed, not that it matters to CPU-Z.

yeah I turn off the image boot logo in bios for my mobo's, always have. so i don't think this security flaw would have ever affected me

I also update my BIOS whenever a new one comes out, never had any issues personally @Keullo-e

Shou Miko · Apr 29, 2024

tabascosauz said:
I do miss GB and Asus BIOS though. ASRock's BIOS is kinda dated and light on features. iGPU toggle is not anywhere accessible, I gotta do some digging.

I actually have my iGPU turned on in my 7700 cpu on my ASRock board and it works fine and I don't believe it was that hard to find really.

tabascosauz said:
So......just binned Raphael? Literally what Intel did since like 2011 with Xeon E3/E5

Maybe, or maybe they turn on like the old AMD Opteron for socket 939 really good cpu's :rolleyes:

tabascosauz · Apr 29, 2024

Shou Miko said:
I actually have my iGPU turned on in my 7700 cpu on my ASRock board and it works fine and I don't believe it was that hard to find really.

Maybe, or maybe they turn on like the old AMD Opteron for socket 939 really good cpu's

I never looked for it because I need the iGPU. It further cuts my idle GPU power by half or more, right now my GPU idles at 6W. iGPU always handles my secondary monitor (1440p). 4070 Ti handles my main (1440p), and when doing sim stuff/watching movies I turn on my QN90B (4K) also running on the 4070 Ti.

Without the iGPU, my 2-monitor and 3-display power would be 10W and 40W respectively. With the iGPU, now it's 6W and 20W.

Space Lynx · May 2, 2024

I am new to 7800x3d, does it undervolt to gain performance like the 5800x3d, etc? What is the all core undervolt most people go with if yes?

tpa-pr · May 2, 2024

Space Lynx said:
I am new to 7800x3d, does it undervolt to gain performance like the 5800x3d, etc? What is the all core undervolt most people go with if yes?

I set mine to -30 offset in PBO. It let my all-core effective clock boost as high as 4.8Ghz (up from an average of 4.5Ghz).

tabascosauz · May 2, 2024

Space Lynx said:
I am new to 7800x3d, does it undervolt to gain performance like the 5800x3d, etc? What is the all core undervolt most people go with if yes?

It works much the same way as to Fmax so yes, the more the better. Fmax is 5050 now

You have access to the expanded CO envelope down to -50. I run -35 though, -45 is doable for benches but not stable. -50 daily stable would be impressive.

Hold on...didn't you have a 12600K?

AusWolf · May 2, 2024

Space Lynx said:
I am new to 7800x3d, does it undervolt to gain performance like the 5800x3d, etc? What is the all core undervolt most people go with if yes?

Not as far as I know. It's got an enormous power headroom by default, so only your cooling can prevent you from running max boost.

tpa-pr said:
I set mine to -30 offset in PBO. It let my all-core effective clock boost as high as 4.8Ghz (up from an average of 4.5Ghz).

I get 4.8 GHz by default.

Shou Miko · May 2, 2024

AusWolf said:
I get 4.8 GHz by default.

Not all board models give the same performance, just look at Steve from Hardware Unboxed when he test vrm temps for the different models they do not always give the same CB score even with default settings.

AusWolf · May 2, 2024

Shou Miko said:
Not all board models give the same performance, just look at Steve from Hardware Unboxed when he test vrm temps for the different models they do not always give the same CB score even with default settings.

With a 7800X3D? :eek:

This little thing eats 80-90 W under full load, I wonder what crappy board can't even supply that without overheating.

gurusmi · May 2, 2024

AusWolf said:
With a 7800X3D? This little thing eats 80-90 W under full load, I wonder what crappy board can't even supply that without overheating.

90W TDP? Just take a lok at Intel. They sell that I1490 with a tdp of 170W. But effectivly it can shortly request 400w and more.

System Name	ab┃ob
Processor	7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard	B650E PG-ITX┃X570 Impact
Cooling	NH-U12A + T30┃AXP120-x67
Memory	64GB 6400CL32┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s)	RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage	8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Case	Caselabs S3┃Lazer3D HT5

System Name	ab┃ob
Processor	7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard	B650E PG-ITX┃X570 Impact
Cooling	NH-U12A + T30┃AXP120-x67
Memory	64GB 6400CL32┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s)	RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage	8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Case	Caselabs S3┃Lazer3D HT5

System Name	Cumquat 2021
Processor	AMD RyZen R7 7800X3D
Motherboard	Asus Strix X670E - E Gaming WIFI
Cooling	Deep Cool LT720 + CM MasterGel Pro TP + Lian Li Uni Fan V2
Memory	32GB GSkill Trident Z5 Neo 6000
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Nitro+ OC RX6800 16GB DDR6 2270Cclk / 2010Mclk
Storage	1x Adata SX8200PRO NVMe 1TB gen3 x4 1X Samsung 980 Pro NVMe Gen 4 x4 1TB, 12TB of HDD Storage
Display(s)	AOC 24G2 IPS 144Hz FreeSync Premium 1920x1080p
Case	Lian Li O11D XL ROG edition
Audio Device(s)	RX6800 via HDMI + Pioneer VSX-531 amp Technics 100W 5.1 Speaker set
Power Supply	EVGA 1000W G5 Gold
Mouse	Logitech G502 Proteus Core Wired
Keyboard	Logitech G915 Wireless
Software	Windows 11 X64 PRO (build 23H2)
Benchmark Scores	it sucks even more less now ;)

System Name	Best AMD Computer
Processor	AMD 7900X3D
Motherboard	Asus X670E E Strix
Cooling	In Win SR36
Memory	GSKILL DDR5 32GB 5200 30
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Pulse 7900XT (Watercooled)
Storage	Corsair MP 700, Seagate 530 2Tb, Adata SX8200 2TBx2, Kingston 2 TBx2, Micron 8 TB, WD AN 1500
Display(s)	GIGABYTE FV43U
Case	Corsair 7000D Airflow
Audio Device(s)	Corsair Void Pro, Logitch Z523 5.1
Power Supply	Deepcool 1000M
Mouse	Logitech g7 gaming mouse
Keyboard	Logitech G510
Software	Windows 11 Pro 64 Steam. GOG, Uplay, Origin
Benchmark Scores	Firestrike: 46183 Time Spy: 25121

System Name	ab┃ob
Processor	7800X3D┃5800X3D
Motherboard	B650E PG-ITX┃X570 Impact
Cooling	NH-U12A + T30┃AXP120-x67
Memory	64GB 6400CL32┃32GB 3600CL14
Video Card(s)	RTX 4070 Ti Eagle┃RTX A2000
Storage	8TB of SSDs┃1TB SN550
Case	Caselabs S3┃Lazer3D HT5

System Name	Overlord Mk MLI
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard	Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master
Cooling	Noctua NH-D15 SE with offsets
Memory	32GB Team T-Create Expert DDR5 6000 MHz @ CL30-34-34-68
Video Card(s)	Gainward GeForce RTX 4080 Phantom GS
Storage	1TB Solidigm P44 Pro, 2 TB Corsair MP600 Pro, 2TB Kingston KC3000
Display(s)	Acer XV272K LVbmiipruzx 4K@160Hz
Case	Fractal Design Torrent Compact
Audio Device(s)	Corsair Virtuoso SE
Power Supply	be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850 W
Mouse	Logitech G502 Lightspeed
Keyboard	Corsair K70 Max
Software	Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores	https://valid.x86.fr/yfsd9w

System Name	KLM
Processor	7800X3D
Motherboard	B-650E-E Strix
Cooling	Arctic Cooling III 280
Memory	16x2 Fury Renegade 6000-32
Video Card(s)	4070-ti PNY
Storage	500+512+8+8+2+1+1+2+256+8+512+2
Display(s)	VA 32" 4K@60 - OLED 27" 2K@240
Case	4000D Airflow
Audio Device(s)	Edifier 1280Ts
Power Supply	Shift 1000
Mouse	502 Hero
Keyboard	K68
Software	EMDB
Benchmark Scores	0>1000

Processor	Ryzen 5700x
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570S Aero G R1.1 BiosF5g
Cooling	Noctua NH-C12P SE14 w/ NF-A15 HS-PWM Fan 1500rpm
Memory	Micron DDR4-3200 2x32GB D.S. D.R. (CT2K32G4DFD832A)
Video Card(s)	AMD RX 6800 - Asus Tuf
Storage	Kingston KC3000 1TB & 2TB & 4TB Corsair MP600 Pro LPX
Display(s)	LG 27UL550-W (27" 4k)
Case	Be Quiet Pure Base 600 (no window)
Audio Device(s)	Realtek ALC1220-VB
Power Supply	SuperFlower Leadex V Gold Pro 850W ATX Ver2.52
Mouse	Mionix Naos Pro
Keyboard	Corsair Strafe with browns
Software	W10 22H2 Pro x64

System Name	KHR-1
Processor	Ryzen 9 5900X
Motherboard	ASRock B550 PG Velocita (UEFI-BIOS P3.40)
Memory	32 GB G.Skill RipJawsV F4-3200C16D-32GVR
Video Card(s)	Sparkle Titan Arc A770 16 GB
Storage	Western Digital Black SN850 1 TB NVMe SSD
Display(s)	Alienware AW3423DWF OLED-ASRock PG27Q15R2A (backup)
Case	Corsair 275R
Audio Device(s)	Technics SA-EX140 receiver with Polk VT60 speakers
Power Supply	eVGA Supernova G3 750W
Mouse	Logitech G Pro (Hero)
Software	Windows 11 Pro x64 23H2

Processor	7800X3D -25 all core
Motherboard	B650 Steel Legend
Cooling	Frost Commander 140
Video Card(s)	Merc 310 7900 XT @3100 core -.75v
Display(s)	Agon 27" QD-OLED Glossy 240hz 1440p
Case	NZXT H710 (Red/Black)
Audio Device(s)	Asgard 2, Modi 3, HD58X
Power Supply	Corsair RM850x Gold

System Name	Lynni PS \ Lenowo TwinkPad L14 G2
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7700 Raphael (Waiting on 9800X3D) \ i5-1135G7 Tiger Lake-U
Motherboard	ASRock B650M PG Riptide Bios v. 3.10 AMD AGESA 1.2.0.2a \ Lenowo BDPLANAR Bios 1.68
Cooling	Noctua NH-D15 Chromax.Black (Only middle fan) \ Lenowo C-267C-2
Memory	G.Skill Flare X5 2x16GB DDR5 6000MHZ CL36-36-36-96 AMD EXPO \ Willk Elektronik 2x16GB 2666MHZ CL17
Video Card(s)	Asus GeForce RTX™ 4070 Dual OC (Waiting on RX 8800 XT) \| Intel® Iris® Xe Graphics
Storage	Gigabyte M30 1TB\|Sabrent Rocket 2TB\| HDD: 10TB\|1TB \ WD RED SN700 1TB
Display(s)	KTC M27T20S 1440p@165Hz \| LG 48CX OLED 4K HDR \| Innolux 14" 1080p
Case	Asus Prime AP201 White Mesh \| Lenowo L14 G2 chassis
Audio Device(s)	Steelseries Arctis Pro Wireless
Power Supply	Be Quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750W Goldie \| 65W
Mouse	Logitech G305 Lightspeedy Wireless \| Lenowo TouchPad & Logitech G305
Keyboard	Ducky One 3 Daybreak Fullsize \| L14 G2 UK Lumi
Software	Win11 IoT Enterprise 24H2 UK \| Win11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 UK / Arch (Fan)
Benchmark Scores	3DMARK: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/89434432? GPU-Z: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/details/v3zbr

System Name	IZALITH (or just "Lith")
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D (4.2Ghz base, 5.0Ghz boost, -30 PBO offset)
Motherboard	Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master Rev 1.0
Cooling	Deepcool Gammaxx AG400 Single Tower
Memory	Corsair Vengeance 64GB (2x32GB) 6000MHz CL40 DDR5 XMP (XMP enabled)
Video Card(s)	PowerColor Radeon RX 7900 XTX Red Devil OC 24GB (2.39Ghz base, 2.56Ghz boost)
Storage	2x1TB SSD, 2x2TB SSD, 2x 8TB HDD
Display(s)	Samsung Odyssey G51C 27" QHD (1440p 165Hz) + Samsung Odyssey G3 24" FHD (1080p 165Hz)
Case	Corsair 7000D Airflow Full Tower
Audio Device(s)	Corsair HS55 Surround Wired Headset/LG Z407 Speaker Set
Power Supply	Corsair HX1000 Platinum Modular (1000W)
Mouse	Logitech G502 X LIGHTSPEED Wireless Gaming Mouse
Keyboard	Keychron K4 Wireless Mechanical Keyboard
Software	Arch Linux

System Name	Nebulon B
Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard	MSi PRO B650M-A WiFi
Cooling	be quiet! Dark Rock 4
Memory	2x 24 GB Corsair Vengeance DDR5-4800
Video Card(s)	AMD Radeon RX 6750 XT 12 GB
Storage	2 TB Corsair MP600 GS, 2 TB Corsair MP600 R2
Display(s)	Dell S3422DWG, 7" Waveshare touchscreen
Case	Kolink Citadel Mesh black
Audio Device(s)	Logitech Z333 2.1 speakers, AKG Y50 headphones
Power Supply	Seasonic Prime GX-750
Mouse	Logitech MX Master 2S
Keyboard	Logitech G413 SE
Software	Bazzite (Fedora Linux) KDE

System Name	Naboo (2019)
Processor	AMD 3800x
Motherboard	Gigabyte Aorus Master V1 (X470)
Cooling	individual EKWB/Heatkiller loop
Memory	4*8 GB 3600 Corsair Vengeance
Video Card(s)	Sapphire Pulse 5700XT
Storage	SSD 1TB PCIe 4.0x4, 2 TB PCIe 3.0
Display(s)	2*WQHD
Case	Lian Li O11 Rog
Audio Device(s)	Hifiman, Topping DAC/KHV
Power Supply	Seasonic 850W Gold
Mouse	Logitech MX2, Logitech MX Ergo Trackball
Keyboard	Cherry Stream Wireless, Logitech MX Keys
Software	Linux Mint "Vera" Cinnamon

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