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Intel's Upcoming 800-series Chipsets Leak in Detail

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What appears to be the full details of all of Intel's upcoming 800-series chipsets have leaked and although we've already seen what the Z890 chipset will offer, no details of the other SKUs have leaked to date. Maybe the biggest news is that there won't be an H870 chipset this time around, according to the leaker @jaykihn0 over at X/Twitter. The full range appears to be Z890, B860 and H810 for consumers, W880 for workstations and Q870 for corporate desktops. That said, the Z890 and W880 are identical in terms of slots and ports, but whereas the W880 gains full ECC support and Intel vPro and remote management, it loses the CPU and bus overclocking features of the Z890. The Q870 loses four chipset PCIe 4.0 lanes, one 20 Gbps or two 10 Gbps USB 3.2 ports, but is otherwise similar to the Z890, minus all the overclocking features, but with Intel vPro and remote management.

The B860 ends up on the chopping block as always and loses not only 10 chipset PCIe lanes compared to the Z890 chipset, but also four lanes from the CPU and four lanes on the DMI interface to the chipset. On top of that bifurcation goes out the window toigether with PCIe RAID and the chipset is only capable of having two 20 Gbps or four 10 Gbps USB 3.2 ports, but at least memory overclocking is still on the table. Finally, the H810 chipset is as basic as it gets, with no extra CPU PCIe lanes beyond the 16 lanes for a graphics card, but they are at least PCIe 5.0 this time around. The chipset itself is only equipped with a mere eight PCIe 4.0 lanes and it gets zero 20 Gbps and two 10 Gbps USB 3.2 ports. Note that all platforms support one or two Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 ports, but it's unclear if this is native support or via an add-on chip. Also note that the USB ports are shared and the maximum count is that for the 5 Gbps ports in the details below, so the Z890 for example, doesn't have 25 USB 3.2 ports in total, but rather only 10. All in all, we'll see a migration to PCIe 5.0 for the x16 slot across the entire 800-series chipset range and from the B860 and up, all chipsets will have a dedicated PCIe 5.0 x4 interface that will most likely be used for an M.2 slot. Also, the PCIe lane count is the maximum, but due to Intel's HSIO layout, some resources will be shared with SATA and Ethernet, which means not all PCIe lanes will be accessible.



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B860 is, while neutered, still seems entirely adequate for majority of users using a single GPU and one or two M.2 SSDs at maximum. Question is whether or not vendors will actually produce decent boards that are well priced for it.
 

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B860 is, while neutered, still seems entirely adequate for majority of users using a single GPU and one or two M.2 SSDs at maximum. Question is whether or not vendors will actually produce decent boards that are well priced for it.
Well, it gained four PCIe 5.0 lanes over the B760 chipset and it seems like all chipset lanes are now PCIe 4.0, so it's not all bad.
 
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So overall Q series chipset has much better connectivity compared to B series but all motherboard makers will castrate offerings based on that chipset to make their B series boards more appealing while milking the hell out of customers.
 
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I would expect the Workstation board to have ALL the features, including overclocking.
 
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I would expect the Workstation board to have ALL the features, including overclocking.

Overclocking is utterly dead. If the board can undervolt and tweak the RAM freely (including frequency) it's going to satisfy the needs of 9 out of 10 users. You can't get 300 MHz out of a 13th or 14th gen i9 KS processor without resorting to exotic cooling - safe to assume Intel will repeat this with the initial Core Ultra generation (2nd gen on desktops, I suppose)
 
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Overclocking is utterly dead. If the board can undervolt and tweak the RAM freely (including frequency) it's going to satisfy the needs of 9 out of 10 users. You can't get 300 MHz out of a 13th or 14th gen i9 KS processor without resorting to exotic cooling - safe to assume Intel will repeat this with the initial Core Ultra generation (2nd gen on desktops, I suppose)

So hope “NonK” OC will work once again and we can make an 1GHz overclock, just like for 12400 4,4GHz to 5,4GHz.
 
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So hope “NonK” OC will work once again and we can make an 1GHz overclock, just like for 12400 4,4GHz to 5,4GHz.

Pipe dream I reckon. Those days aren't coming back
 
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Overclocking is utterly dead. If the board can undervolt and tweak the RAM freely (including frequency) it's going to satisfy the needs of 9 out of 10 users. You can't get 300 MHz out of a 13th or 14th gen i9 KS processor without resorting to exotic cooling - safe to assume Intel will repeat this with the initial Core Ultra generation (2nd gen on desktops, I suppose)

It's a feature you can get on B class AMD motherboards along with ECC and bifurcation support. That and better platform longevity.

Maybe one day Intel will learn that's part of the reason AM4 was so popular but today is not that day.
 
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Well, it gained four PCIe 5.0 lanes over the B760 chipset and it seems like all chipset lanes are now PCIe 4.0, so it's not all bad.
So Intel finally matched a two year old B650 chipset in terms of PCIe 4.0 connectivity...

Also there seems to be a new optional RL-ILM (Reduced Load-Independent Loading Mechanism) mounting system that hopefully does way with the concave warping due to excess mounting force. Atleast leaks claim that motherboard makers can request for <$1 compared to standard ILM:
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LGA1851’s motherboard-to-IHS height (6.831-7.497mm) differs only slightly from LGA1700 (6.76-7.4mm), and is validated for the same height range (6.53-7.53mm). This is the only key mechanical difference between the two. LGA1700 coolers are forward-compatible (but not ILMs).
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Still no USB 4 support?!??
There are minimum two USB4/TB4 on every z890 and one for b860. "Processor TB4/USB4 Ports" in the table, look again.
 
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So Intel finally matched a two year old B650 chipset in terms of PCIe 4.0 connectivity...

Also there seems to be a new optional RL-ILM (Reduced Load-Independent Loading Mechanism) mounting system that hopefully does way with the concave warping due to excess mounting force. Atleast leaks claim that motherboard makers can request for <$1 compared to standard ILM:
Also:
Is this mean direct die AIO from EKWB will be compatible too?
 

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There are minimum two USB4/TB4 on every z890 and one for b860. "Processor TB4/USB4 Ports" in the table, look again.
It's unclear if this is native or via a third party host controller though.
 
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It's unclear if this is native or via a third party host controller though.

would it make a big difference either way? depending on the third party host controller of course
 

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would it make a big difference either way? depending on the third party host controller of course
Well, the third party controller would eat up PCIe lanes, so it matters to a degree.

From what I managed to find out by asking around, it seems like at least some CPUs should have native support for Thunderbolt 4.
 
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Well, the third party controller would eat up PCIe lanes, so it matters to a degree.

From what I managed to find out by asking around, it seems like at least some CPUs should have native support for Thunderbolt 4.
Will Zen 5 support TB4 or just usb-4?
 
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From what I managed to find out by asking around, it seems like at least some CPUs should have native support for Thunderbolt 4.
Would that be actual Thunderbolt or only compatible with it?
My understanding is Thunderbolt is patented so fees apply to license it.
 
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would it make a big difference either way? depending on the third party host controller of course
No idea on this chipset, but from previous boards where have had things like ASMedia USB ports and ASMedia SATA ports, 3rd party chips sometimes are not full bandwidth capable.
 

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Will Zen 5 support TB4 or just usb-4?
Thunderbolt is all about certification, so as long as Intel certified the motherboard or laptop, there's no reason why an AMD device can't support it.
However, AMD will never have native Thunderbolt support, unless Intel changes its licensing. So far only Intel and Apple has native Thunderbolt.
Any device can support USB4 and considering that USB4 is compatible with Thunderbolt, there shouldn't be much you lose out on.
Most of the "downsides" of USB4 are just Intel propaganda. USB4 has the advantage of being able to tunnel 40 Gbps of PCIe, whereas Thunderbolt 3/4 can only do 32 Gbps.

Would that be actual Thunderbolt or only compatible with it?
My understanding is Thunderbolt is patented so fees apply to license it.
This is for an Intel CPU and Intel platform... I don't see the issue.

No idea on this chipset, but from previous boards where have had things like ASMedia USB ports and ASMedia SATA ports, 3rd party chips sometimes are not full bandwidth capable.
It's the opposite when it comes to USB4 vs Thunderbolt 3/4, see above.
 
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I'm surprised by the amount of sata ports on the z boards, I know SATA SSDs are still a thing but at this point who would have six sata SSD drives?
 
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