Intel Will Not Recall Failing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs

[JustBenching]

Wow that thing sucks the volts like a CPU from 20 years ago!

Those are VID values, not vcore. VID doesn't mean that's the vcore applied to the chip.

 

[The Norwegian Drone Pilot]

This is 'Intel' right now .

While this is 'AMD'.

 

[phanbuey]

I don't think there is really a true intel fan. At least when it comes to the Zen era, I think the vast majority of people who buy Intel are actually rabid Nvidia fans. They typically have an 80 class or 90 class GPU too. I mean this in the high end CPU segment. I believe the 10400(k) was a great mid range CPU for the money, perhaps offering better value than AMD.

I generally agree with this. I basically fall into this category, minus the rabies.

 

[Klemc]

AMD delay is not a big deal, no harddware failure, but just printed incorrect info on metal :

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[Daven]

Not every problem users experience has to be linked to this. My 6900hs laptop just cold boots on it's own. If it was an intel CPU i'd think it's linked to this, but it's not. Let's all take a deep breath.

The only ones needing to take a deep breath are users that will only buy Intel no matter what. The rest of us are just fine as we can pick different solutions based on the current situation and our needs. I have an AMD desktop and laptop. My wife has an M3 MBA. Why do I and any other AMD, Apple, Qualcomm, etc. user need to take a deep breath?

Edit: Oh and in the future, if AMD has massive QC problems and Intel doesn't, I'll just switch back to Intel if I still need an x86 solution because 'obvious things are obvious'.

 

[stimpy88]

This is 'Intel' right now .

While this is 'AMD'.

If AMD was a cleaver company, they would offer their new parts at an attractive price and advertise that their CPUs are not a small thermonuclear devices that lasts a week before it starts melting down and start a part exchange programme - like offering $100 in exchange for your old Intel MB!

This would boost their market share like crazy over the next few months as people panic after their computer starts constantly BSODing. AMD needs that bigger base to sell upgrades when Zen 6 comes out.

 

[JustBenching]

The only ones needing to take a deep breath are users that will only buy Intel no matter what. The rest of us are just fine as we can pick different solutions based on the current situation and our needs. I have an AMD desktop and laptop. My wife has an M3 MBA. Why do I and any other AMD, Apple, Qualcomm, etc. user need to take a deep breath?

Edit: Oh and in the future, if AMD has massive QC problems and Intel doesn't, I'll just switch back to Intel if I still need an x86 solution because 'obvious things are obvious'.

Me too, I have 4 amd cpus and 1 intel. Haven't had any major issues with either so I'll keep buying both.

 

[Daven]

Me too, I have 4 amd cpus and 1 intel. Haven't had any major issues with either so I'll keep buying both.

Well maybe stop telling people that you will not buy from supposed 'unethical' companies because they broke a promise to support certain CPUs in the BIOS but then decide to honor that promise a few (weeks/months?) later. It is really hard to understand someone's motivations if that someone continues to move the goal posts randomly at times and changes the entire game at other times.

Let's all agree that massively reported stability problems is a big f'ing deal. Bad business tactics due to poor decisions is not great but forgiven if the company changes course and we would all have to live on a small island inside a hut to 100% avoid bad business tactics.

 

[JustBenching]

Well maybe stop telling people that you will not buy from supposed 'unethical' companies because they broke a promise to support certain CPUs in the BIOS but then decide to honor that promise a few (weeks/months?) later. It is really hard to understand someone's motivations if that someone continues to move the goal posts randomly at times and changes the entire game at other times.

I'm trying to avoid them but if they have a better product (laptop chips) I'll go with them.

 

[R0H1T]

Sure sure better mobile chips

Intel's crashing CPU crisis deepens as more models are affected than originally thought

The news coming out of Intel about its crashing 13th- and 14th-generation CPUs is not getting any better, even after they said they had finally "solved" the...

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[Klemc]

TBF PC hardware is dead since smartphones became a thing.

 

[stimpy88]

TBF PC hardware is dead since smartphones became a thing.

I'm not sure I agree with that statement. I guess they've had an impact, but only in the normie space. But most people know that when you want real work done, it's better on a real computer/laptop.

I'd say that over the last 8 years, AMD's Zen µarch, and the competition it has caused has reignited it somewhat, due to the performance offered by a modern PC, but the pandemic changed the market in badly damaging ways through spiralling greed which has not finished settling down, due to parts of the market not caring and paying the high prices anyway. Many PC parts are way too expensive today, where a mid-range graphics card, which is necessary to have a chance at playing a modern game, costs more than a whole PC did 10 years ago, pushing PCs into a luxury product that you really need a use for, and things like the iPad and games consoles eating share.

So, I'd argue that the pandemic, nGreedia and memory manufacturers have done far more damage to the market than smartphones did.

 

[Daven]

I'm trying to avoid them but if they have a better product (laptop chips) I'll go with them.

And that's what many of us are doing with regards to Intel. Many of us are avoiding them due to bad products, anti-trust decisions, bad business decisions, constant delays, poor quality control, etc. And if those are not some of the reasons, many of us are choosing AMD because of better gaming performance, lower power usage at HIGHER performance levels (don't need to hear about ISO), better iGPU, AVX512 performance, etc.

We all have our reasons. No one here needs to breath. We come to TPU to read about the good and the bad and right now TPU is doing well by our community by notifying us of potential long-term quality and stability problems caused by Intel pushing their CPU beyond their limits. Some of us don't have the luxury of building a new computer in a short amount of time due to money. So knowing if a computer part will fail after a certain time frame is very, very important to us.

 

[JustBenching]

And that's what many of us are doing with regards to Intel. Many of us are avoiding them due to bad products, anti-trust decisions, bad business decisions, constant delays, poor quality control, etc. And if those are not some of the reasons, many of us are choosing AMD because of better gaming performance, lower power usage at HIGHER performance levels (don't need to hear about ISO), better iGPU, AVX512 performance, etc.

We all have our reasons. No one here needs to breath. We come to TPU to read about the good and the bad and right now TPU is doing well by our community by notifying us of potential long-term quality and stability problems caused by Intel pushing their CPU beyond their limits. Some of us don't have the luxury of building a new computer in a short amount of time due to money. So knowing if a computer part will fail after a certain time frame is very, very important to us.

Why do you care? I mean as you just said, intel cpus are terrible so you wouldn't buy them even if this never happened, since they use too much power, are bad in gaming, worse igpu etc. So what difference does it make?

Focus on the new zen 5s, their 7600x and 7700x seems to be almost matching an i5 and an i7 from 2021.

 

[Klemc]

Why do you care? I mean as you just said, intel cpus are terrible so you wouldn't buy them even if this never happened, since they use too much power, are bad in gaming, worse igpu etc. So what difference does it make?

Focus on the new zen 5s, their 7600x and 7700x seems to be almost matching an i5 and an i7 from 2021.

The only Intel problem has to fix, is WATTS.

 

[JustBenching]

The only Intel problem has to fix, is WATTS.

Nah, they good. They offer 35 and 65 watt parts for those who care. The rest, we will just change it in the bios, no problem.

 

[Klemc]

Nah, they good. They offer 35 and 65 watt parts for those who care. The rest, we will just change it in the bios, no problem.

It's a BIG problem, the BIOS is even forbidden to access by users, OKay just some models...

... but common user calling the support will be warned about going to BIOS, not encouraged to do it themself...........

 

[Daven]

Why do you care? I mean as you just said, intel cpus are terrible so you wouldn't buy them even if this never happened, since they use too much power, are bad in gaming, worse igpu etc. So what difference does it make?

Focus on the new zen 5s, their 7600x and 7700x seems to be almost matching an i5 and an i7 from 2021.

This isn't about me so it's better to say 'We care' as in the TPU community. The 14th gen is still the latest desktop CPUs from Intel and some here are still considering purchases of this generation. Some have even asked in the comments if they should buy a certain 13th or 14th gen Intel CPU in a build that they are doing RIGHT NOW.

 

[JustBenching]

This isn't about me so it's better to say 'We care' as in the TPU community. The 14th gen is still the latest desktop CPUs from Intel and some here are still considering purchases of this generation. Some have even asked in the comments if they should buy a certain 13th or 14th gen Intel CPU in a build that they are doing RIGHT NOW.

Nobody should be purchasing Intel until mid august when the situation is clear(er). Unless it's a power user who would tinker with the bios anyways, so whatever.

But that's not the point, the point is most comments are from amd users. A lot of them from people like you that wouldn't buy Intel regardless. They care more about it than the actual users that are affected. Just chill out. Relax. We get it, Intel bad.

 

[Vario]

I don't think there is really a true intel fan.

I disagree in the absolute, I am sure some fit this description. However, I agree with it as a broad generalization. If you look at the reddit for Intel right now, people are reasonable about returning their recent intel purchases and exploring the 7800X3D or other options. If they were proper fan boys there would be a lot more denial.

For me personally, I bought Intel 12900KS because at the time it was the same price as buying the 5800X3D, I needed a computer right away, and the 7800X3D not released.

I also do prefer Nvidia, I don't actively discourage others from buying other brands though.

When I was first into PCs, I did several PCs that were AMD 64 and Nvidia Geforce combo. At that time, before AMD purchased ATI, ATI Radeon and Intel were sort of the "other side".

 

[evernessince]

I made an appropriate image for articles regarding this issue:

 

[Vayra86]

Nobody should be purchasing Intel until mid august when the situation is clear(er). Unless it's a power user who would tinker with the bios anyways, so whatever.

But that's not the point, the point is most comments are from amd users. A lot of them from people like you that wouldn't buy Intel regardless. They care more about it than the actual users that are affected. Just chill out. Relax. We get it, Intel bad.

As an Intel 8700 K user and not having touched AMD zen cpus yet for a high end gaming build Im inclined to agree. I dont really think there is a real camp mentality though, wrt Intel; the X3Ds changed a lot of minds. And so did Zen as a whole. Why? Not because they are ubiquitously the fastest everywhere, but because they do present tremendous perf out of the box and without continuously stretching the limits in terms of TDP; erratic boost behaviour and/or vastly increased cooling requirements to accompany said behaviour. Im a strong believer in the idea that efficiency is king.

The current situation reinforces my thoughts. Chips have limits and the best, most stable PC builds respect them. I wasnt particularly happy with my 8700K either; this was the 'delid your shit' era for Intel: the first writing on the wall and I noticed that for sure. The chip barely keeps stability at stock under a beefy air cooler rated for twice its TDP.

Its a massive step forward moving to an X3D chip that will keep its cool under a 40 dollar air cooler no issues while being miles faster. I cant wait

 

[jimmyxxx]

Classic Intel, innit?

 

[JustBenching]

Im a strong believer in the idea that efficiency is king.

I agree. That's why I go intel. Usecase matters. 99% of the time my PC is used as a streaming device for gaming or media to other screens / tvs / monitors / handhelds etc, or basic productivity tasks like browsers / excels / spreadsheets etc. Intel chips can do these while drawing minimal power (at or below a couple of watts).

And though I get the whole "600 watts under blender", fact of the matter is for the midrange you won't find more efficient cpus at same power, simply because noone else packs that many cores in mid range. When you buy your x3d just go compare it to a similarly priced intel chip - cap them both at the same power and do your blender cinebench or what have you runs. I guarantee intel will be way cooler (with that same 40$ aircooler) and faster.

Which is why im still buying Intel, and ill keep buying it after whatever this is. Problem is, we don't really know what this is. Some claim a 3 to 7% failure rate, other's 100%. I think knowing the actual number makes a whole lot of difference.

 

[Octavean]

Sure you can, just keep applying due diligence and common sense. Intel's ever increasing peak power shenanigans were a big fat multi-gen writing on the wall. Not saying people should have known better but frankly where there's smoke and many generations of trickery around way overpowered cores... there's bound to be an eventual fire.

We are seeing a lot of this lately imho. Hot chips, limits being stretched and shitty power connector updates are all more of the same to me. They are frantic attempts to escape the reality shit wont keep scaling as it used to. Efficiency out of the box is key. Its the whole reason Nvidia won the GPU war so far and AMD now wins the CPU war.


Why not they are happily raking in US taxpayer money for free. Pat G smells like old socks. Nothing good about his leadership honestly so far. He wears one crown; that of the most well-paid beggar on the globe.


That would be true in the quad core era, but there are excellent competitor chips now.


Good point honestly. Its just not helped by the tone of voice they put out so far. 'Here's a patch, deal with it' on halo product isnt the way to treat customers. If they had indeed used your argumentation backed by leniency things would look radically different.

Sure I'll buy that,.....

For the record, I was only kidding with the "This is why we can't have nice things" comment.

I don't own a 13 or 14 gen Intel CPU. Although I do have a Core i5 1235U mobile processor in a UGreen DXP8800 Plus 8 bay NAS.

For desktop my latest processor is an AMD RyZen 9 7950X. I could have easily gone with a newer Intel processor but whimsically opted not to.