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if the world really wants to "save" the environment then they should be tackling other areas before bringing it down to consumer level.
I don't know about other parts of your post, but with this sentence, I agree with wholeheartedly. Let the people with enough resource and power to make changes actually make them instead of blaming us for not having enough money for solar panels and fancy electric cars on our measley national living wage.
 

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I don't know about other parts of your post, but with this sentence, I agree with wholeheartedly. Let the people with enough resource and power to make changes actually make them instead of blaming us for not having enough money for solar panels and fancy electric cars on our measley national living wage.

Don't know about that, how about the people you always see digging roads and what not up end of the fiscal year so they can claim more for the next year, just maybe this or a fair chunk of should go to projects like having solar panels and such.

Lets face it they do it not because it needs to be done but so they can get more money the following year.
 
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Solar power is not 100% what if its a dark day and no sun how would you get power then.
A few weeks ago*, Italian scientist Alessandro Volta invented something called "Batteries".

* ~11,700 weeks ago.
 
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besides that its not that common, and when i see friends in places like germany making more power than the whole household needs, its easy to see they will have enough for those dark end-of-time days..

no one wants to replace all other power sources, but almost half the planet can easily reduce emissions by using solar. and we still have things like thermal/water/wind/tide/waves to produce "greener" power, so its not like there arent options.

would you rather have another coal/oil/gas burning plant, or a city installing panels?
 
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Then you need to sit closer.
"Records show 'licensed contractors' who presumably 'know what they are doing' can build single-story houses that fail within a few years, but duplexes are basically stacking two of them over each other to test if they were really good at their job."
If the existence of bad contractor was an argument for anything, we should go back to living in caves.

I can read just fine. Maybe you should consider that your entire statement must be processed together...and you cannot just carve out bits.

Let me then explain that you seem to not understand what a house is...because a duplex isn't a stacked set of single houses. If that was the case you could theoretically explain any house with 2 stories as a duplex...which defeats the purpose of having two units together but separated. A duplex has the bottom block without a roof...because the roof is the floor to the upper unit. Cool....that shouldn't cause any issues, because it's basically the definition of the word. You have the same single roof...that any normal unit would have. Yes, you can in fact renovate old duplexes into a single much larger unit by simply adding an internal staircase and calling it a day. This...has literally no effect on solar.


If instead what you wanted to suggest was row housing, which is entirely different due to most of them lacking internal structures but requiring support from their neighbors, then we're off to the races. I am thinking for you...so if you mean something else do interject. The greatest concern in a row house is that the internal structure is only designed for supporting weight in roughly two directions. Those would be directly perpendicular to the base of the unit, and at whatever angle the roof is sloped. Their transverse structure is instead supported by the other row houses pushing in...with only the end of many row houses having real transverse load capability without all of the others present.
Now...in this case installing solar is a crap shoot. Where are the houses tied together? Whose wall is their neighbor's, and what happens if you install such a large transverse load that you press outwards enough to damage the housing row? The answer to all of these questions is "I'll see you in special litigation."
Wow...so if you install solar panels in row housing you're taking a huge gamble that nothing screws up, the contractors (if they have a brain) will either write clauses into their contracts to make this your responsibility, or worst case scenario your neighbor is getting a new roof leak because your "competent" contractors can't magic a world where the coefficient of thermal expansion for solar panels matches OSB, wood, steel, and shingles all at the same time.

Yeah....my two cents is that "good" contractors leave these nightmares behind...and from experience I know that you're going to sign with a company to install who contracts out to a reserve company that will be dissolved in 3-5 years...so there's no chance for the inevitable screw-ups of lowest bid labor to come through. This is the same way that the intelligent people out there see something like "Tony's Roofing," which is "Tony T's Roofing" five years later, and "Cousin Tony's Roofing" in another 5 years. Same owner, same labor, but because the old company dissolved and "sold" their stuff to a new shell company everything is going to look great on paper.
 
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A few weeks ago*, Italian scientist Alessandro Volta invented something called "Batteries".

* ~11,700 weeks ago.
So after the ancient Egyptians invented them then. OK.
 
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So after the ancient Egyptians invented them then. OK.
Yep. Because the Egyptians forgot to file a patent application!
 
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Cuz it costs a lot of money, I could pay my power bills for at least 20 years for the price of the solar system.
 
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Cuz it costs a lot of money, I could pay my power bills for at least 20 years for the price of the solar system.
The big money goes on the inverters and control gear. The panels themselves are now below $50 each
 
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I'm gonna guess the upfront cost and the amount of people who don't own their own house.
 
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I'm gonna guess the upfront cost and the amount of people who don't own their own house.
Exactly! And with the current trend in real estate prices, that number is only going to grow.
 
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Unless it rotates with the sun like a sunflower you're not getting paid off. Ever. I'd like to see a more sincere evaluation. At least most people in cities and multi storey buildings can't benefit more than a few hours.
Productivity of a stationary solar installation can be estimated quite accurately using PVwatts. These systems can do extremely well. Trackers are not cost or space efficient.
 
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I couldn't find if someone mentioned this already in the thread, but the climate you live in also has a strong effect. That and the overall amount of space (surface area of the roof, spare area in the lot, etc.). Much easier for it to be cost-effective using solar if you live in a large suburban ranch house in Phoenix than a rowhouse in Edinburgh.
 
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I couldn't find if someone mentioned this already in the thread, but the climate you live in also has a strong effect. That and the overall amount of space (surface area of the roof, spare area in the lot, etc.). Much easier for it to be cost-effective using solar if you live in a large suburban ranch house in Phoenix than a rowhouse in Edinburgh.
In that situation where space is limited the addition of a small wind turbine (or two) could add extra input, and also be of aid on cloudy days.
 
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Perhaps the US could follow UK plans for "community solar & wind" - Discounted power for communities that allow solar and wind farms to be built nearby. (Our zoning is weirder than Republicans!)
This would also allow apartment dwellers to get cheaper utility bills.
 
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Perhaps the US could follow UK plans for "community solar & wind" - Discounted power for communities that allow solar and wind farms to be built nearby. (Our zoning is weirder than Republicans!)
This would also allow apartment dwellers to get cheaper utility bills.

I'm a community solar subscriber in the USA. We have that here, its just not very popular yet.

I think community solar makes the most sense though. Every solar panel is south facing / optimized to deliver the most power. You get efficiencies of scale: larger inverters + grid tie systems are cheaper to maintain than hundreds of inverters inside of hundreds of houses using 1/100th the size of solar panels. Etc. etc. etc.

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The "price" is 10% cheaper electricity for what my subscribed solar panels generate. This way, I'm still on the hook for buying electricity (ex: if I use more electricity than my solar panels generated, due to clouds, or unusual heat, or other conditions... I still have to pay for "regular" power at the regular price). But I also benefit from the solar with very, very little investments. There's $0 buyin and I can cancel any time.
 
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Does anyone have a good resource online to do some research with the most up to date hardware / specs? I'd like to investigate a solar system for where we live, but just doing random searches on the web returns a bazillion results which I have no idea how to vet.
 
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I think community solar makes the most sense though. Every solar panel is south facing / optimized to deliver the most power. You get efficiencies of scale: larger inverters + grid tie systems are cheaper to maintain than hundreds of inverters inside of hundreds of houses using 1/100th the size of solar panels. Etc. etc. etc.

I agree, this is better than going house by house.
 
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I couldn't find if someone mentioned this already in the thread, but the climate you live in also has a strong effect. That and the overall amount of space (surface area of the roof, spare area in the lot, etc.). Much easier for it to be cost-effective using solar if you live in a large suburban ranch house in Phoenix than a rowhouse in Edinburgh.
(Disclaimer: I did not read the 8+ pages of replies.)

Climate, sun exposure, and housing density are all major factors whether or not a solar installation is feasible. That's why a site inspection by an project estimator is one of the first steps.

You can't just punch in latitude and longitude coordinations into some web calculator. I live in a place with great climate (lots of sun, never snows) but it's a two-story condominium with heavy shade provided by fully mature redwood trees. As a Community Interest Development (CID) and the complexities of HOA regulations, CC&Rs, there's not much avenue to install solar. And yet just down the street there are single family dwellings that are fine candidates for these system.

There's also the very real factor of tax credit eligibility which varies by state here in the USA. And these tax rebates vary over time, they aren't guaranteed. We see the same thing with LE and electric car tax credits. It has changed over time and what might have worked in 2023 might be less attractive (from a tax liability standpoint) in 2024.

There's also the important factor of when the solar installation will pay itself off. All of the project estimators will price out the upfront expense and do a projection on when the buyer will break even. It varies from project to project but it's almost always at least 8-10 years for the most optimistic breakeven point. So if you don't expect to be living in the property 20, 30 years from now, it's harder to justify the expense from an ROI assessment.

It's just like buying an LED bulb to replace an incandescent. The initial cost is pretty high and the break even point is usually after a couple of years for TCO (cost + electricity). Government have changed street lights to LED because it saves them a lot on labor costs.

My guess is that the feasibility of a solar installation for a given residence depends on probably 15-20 factors, maybe 7-8 will weigh more heavily in the decision.
 
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For me it is more that ROI

If I invest $10,000 on solar and save that money over 20 years...
the same $10,000 invested in the stock market might have made me $10,000 in that 20 years.
 
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For me it more that ROI

If I invest $10,000 on solar and save that money over 20 years...
the same $10,000 invested in the stock market might have made me $10,000 in that 20 years.
This illustrates a common error that many people make. You considered it an investment -- even used that word.

Solar installations are an expense. Just like PCs, EnergyStar refrigerators, double-glazed windows, electric cards. Spending money might make you feel like you're doing the right thing for the environment but it depends on how many renewables are generating your current electricity (which will probably grow over time). From a carbon footprint standpoint, these residential solar installations are not environmentally lightweight.

Now if the government is going to give you a tax break, that's worth thinking about. But depending on your specific financial situation you might be better off sticking that $10K in your 401(k) or Roth IRA instead of "investing" [sic] in a solar installation.

This is yet another factor why not every house has solar installed. It costs a substantial sum of money. It's not a $30 of plants and terracotta pots from the nursery.

One thing that really doesn't make sense to me is to take out a loan to fund a solar installation. If you have the disposable cash to make it happen, sure, it's worth considering. But there's no way in hell I'd borrow money at today's interest rates to fund something like this. Not even thrilled at a home equity loan. Better off using that type of money for something that might add a substantial resale value to the property (kitchen and bathroom remodels are frequently quoted).
 
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You referred to ROI so also saw it as an investment

ROI = Return On Investment
 
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You referred to ROI so also saw it as an investment

ROI = Return On Investment
ROI only comes into play once you've passed that break even point. But I used that term partly as a joke because usually someone will bite.

Real investments have symbols like BRK-B, SPY, and QQQ.

It's very interesting that TechPowerUp does not cover products from the company with the largest market capitalization. It's a consumer electronics company and many TPU users have at least one of this company's products in their household. It's probably one of the top 3-4 companies driving consumer electronics innovation today. And yet TPU consciously ignores this major player.

Anyhow, you can't install solar for free. That's a major reason why not every house has a solar installation.

If OP would like to front the costs for the solar installation for my condo complex, that would be great. Even our HOA Board of Directors isn't stupid enough to present a special assessment proposal to property owners. They tried ten years ago to gauge interest in solar panels for electric car chargers. That got shot down as well.
 
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ROI only comes into play once you've passed that break even point. But I used that term partly as a joke because usually someone will bite.

I bit
 
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