I switched from LGA1700 to AM5, here are my thoughts

[ShrimpBrime]

Shit I side graded once from 1366 actually a downgrade from an EVGA x3 SLI to like an skt 1150(??) I5 because #clockspeeds. In retrospect that was some dumb shit, but its what I wanted.

I think a lot of us have done this at some time. I used FX processors daily for a while. Should have just stuck with Phenom II x6 for a while but wanted 8 cores. I should have went Intel at the time but it was like a lot more money than just a cpu upgrade for like 120$.

But tomorrow comes and then 9000 series and Core Ultra!! And all this will be behind us again.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I find it weird when people use the MSRP tactic, its irrelevant for people that don't buy on launch.
And yes I agree Nvidia cutting their die size while raising cost is a reason why I'd rather not buy their cards, it's gotten egregious with the 4000 series, everything except the 4090 is cut down a tier but priced up a whole tier.
The aggressiveness from some users is disappointing, especially when it comes from staff members, I would expect staff to be a bit more open minded towards others preferences.

Just read this, MSRP stands for "Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price", and thus what a product is assumed and presumed to cost. It is not a cheap argumentation tactic, as we cannot know the conditions and timing of one's purchase, so that is a nominal value to go by. For all we know, OP could have purchased it back when it was new in late 2020... and back then it was priced the exact same $999 as the 4080S is today. Nothing malicious about it. 500 for a 6900 XT was, and if you ask me, still is a good deal. It's one of the few Radeon cards that aren't completely hopeless as of late - and the 4080S will too decrease in price as newer generation products come and replace it. Still, it is unable to do many things that the RTX 40 series cards can do, and AMD's support of RDNA 2 has not been as forthright as everyone would have liked, they clearly give a particular preferential treatment to RDNA 3 at this point in time.

Die sizes don't have to be large on purpose, in fact, in the interests of controlling costs, it's better that dies are smaller. That's why AMD can build a processor like the Ryzen or the Epyc, yield is much higher and sorting is much easier, meanwhile, those credit-card sized Intel monolithic CPUs are very difficult to manufacture, and thus very expensive as well. What Nvidia is guilty of doing is selling lower-tier products, ofte with disabled execution units, as higher-tier parts and taking home the profits - but AMD has been unable to deliver a product line that prevents them from doing this, so there is little we can do.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Just read this, MSRP stands for "Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price", and thus what a product is assumed and presumed to cost. It is not a cheap argumentation tactic, as we cannot know the conditions and timing of one's purchase, so that is a nominal value to go by. For all we know, OP could have purchased it back when it was new in late 2020... and back then it was priced the exact same $999 as the 4080S is today. Nothing malicious about it. 500 for a 6900 XT was, and if you ask me, still is a good deal. It's one of the few Radeon cards that aren't completely hopeless as of late - and the 4080S will too decrease in price as newer generation products come and replace it. Still, it is unable to do many things that the RTX 40 series cards can do, and AMD's support of RDNA 2 has not been as forthright as everyone would have liked, they clearly give a particular preferential treatment to RDNA 3 at this point in time.

Die sizes don't have to be large on purpose, in fact, in the interests of controlling costs, it's better that dies are smaller. That's why AMD can build a processor like the Ryzen or the Epyc, yield is much higher and sorting is much easier, meanwhile, those credit-card sized Intel monolithic CPUs are very difficult to manufacture, and thus very expensive as well. What Nvidia is guilty of doing is selling lower-tier products, ofte with disabled execution units, as higher-tier parts and taking home the profits - but AMD has been unable to deliver a product line that prevents them from doing this, so there is little we can do.

I'd argue and I feel like you'd agree even the 4090 looks more like a 80ti tier product when you look at how cut down it is. Which is funny because before I bought it I actually looked at it vs my 3080ti which was also somewhat meh in retrospect although it was the only card I could even get at MSRP when it launched even a 3080 10G was like 1800 on ebay and the 6900XT was around 14-1500 for meh models.....

Hardware is hardware you win some you lose some but I feel the more you get to play around with the better from both sides..... I really like the 6700XT much more than the low end Nvidia gpu's around it's price that I've had hands on with. I like the 4070 even though it feels like a 3060ti successor that is just the way the cookie crumbles in 2023/24.

 

[Outback Bronze]

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877 cash nowwwwwwwww

But seriously; good advice. I remember the gripes and moans back and fourth during the 4090 and 7900XTX launches and shit every major launch for the past 20 or so years iv been here and people see the performance deltas and try to clown those that bought them. Maybe more so in the past few years. Maybe its because so much of the old mentality and members are gone.

IDGAF what any of you think about the purchases I make with the money I wake up and earn.

And neither should anyone reading this. Are you happy? Awesome. Thats worth more than anything anyone can say in any post here or anywhere else.

Shit I side graded once from 1366 actually a downgrade from an EVGA x3 SLI to like an skt 1150(??) I5 because #clockspeeds. In retrospect that was some dumb shit, but its what I wanted.

Is that you driving that bus?

Where you heading too??

Edit: Sry, couldn't resist. Trying to lighten up this thread.

Back to OP.

 

[Solaris17]

Is that you driving that bus?

Where you heading too??

Edit: Sry, couldn't resist. Trying to lighten up this thread.

Back to OP.

If your not from the US or surrounding countries you probably dont get that meme or know the commercial, everyone else hates me because they will sleep to it tonight.

 

[wolf]

Maybe more so in the past few years. Maybe its because so much of the old mentality and members are gone.

Ahh the old days, modded bioses, multi gpu setups and some insane overclocking gains.

Maybe part of the change in mentality goes hand in hand with the growing divide in wealth between the top %'ers and everyone else, because like virtually any hobby you can think of, if you've got deep pockets then boy do companies have some absolutely bonkers cool products to sell to you.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Ahh the old days, modded bioses, multi gpu setups and some insane overclocking gains.

Maybe part of the change in mentality goes hand in hand with the growing divide in wealth between the top %'ers and everyone else, because like virtually any hobby you can think of, if you've got deep pockets then boy do companies have some absolutely bonkers cool products to sell to you.

You can still do Multi GPU. In fact that's pretty much what AMD calls it these days. mGPU.

So you can mGPU pretty much all the RX cards of the same or similar part number. I have mGPU RX 6700 non XT and RX 6700 Xt. As I will example below. Interestingly, the display driver did Not like the XT installed with the non XT as the backup for some odd reason. Was completely unstable.

Only works on DX12 and up though....

 

[DropToasterInTub]

When you consider how Intel has handled the entire Raptor Lake degradation debacle, I don't see going to a 7800X3D as a "downgrade" from a 13700K. Intel was at first blaming board partners as to why their CPUs were unstable, to finally admitting that there's indeed issues with CPUs degrading (and also the oxidation issue they decided to never admit until recently, despite it happening in 2023), and then releasing a BIOS update with the microcode fix that ended up introducing new bugs in the BIOS. For instance, disabling the baseline BIOS settings completely disables the voltage limit for some god forsaken reason, even though Intel's exact reason for this update is to implement a hard voltage limit that can be requested. Those issues were documented on Buildzoid's channel. It took Intel forever to finally admit there was an actual issue when there were documented crashes occurring on Raptor Lake as early as late 2022, they didn't even bother recalling any CPUs that were potentially affected by the oxidation issue, and all they did was increase your warranty by two years. Sure, that's great, but considering how Intel has tried to squirm their way out of this and sweep it under the rug until it got really bad for them when Wendell and GN Steve called them out, I wouldn't trust that they'll honor RMAs for every affected CPU. I've also read some people saying that Intel basically would ghost them whenever they would inquire about a replacement CPU due to experiencing crashes.

Yeah, Ryzen 7000 CPUs were blowing up in the past due to SoC voltage being pumped way too high by default when enabling EXPO. However, AMD made absolute sure to have it fixed ASAP and made it right for those who were affected. It's not about companies having issues with faulty products, it happens. What matters is the response to it and what actions said company takes to alleviate those issues.

Besides, AM5 also will have future CPU releases, whereas LGA1700 is completely finished as of this fall/winter when Arrow Lake arrives. And I'm not very keen on trusting that Arrow Lake won't have issues with degradation considering the fact that clock speeds seem to still be 5.5+ GHz for ST workloads, but we'll have to see.

 

[AusWolf]

Doing an entire platform sidegrade to save 56 watts under gaming load while adding 25 watts on idle.

Uneasy about undervolting/disabling HT/disabling E cores (or using Win 10 for gaming and Process Lasso, or Win 11 for the scheduler) since ~10% performance lost. But then running a 3-600 W GPU at 180 W to save power (also resulting in a performance loss).

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This entire concept is... confusing.

Nothing about my comment is aggressive, it's simply confused questioning instead of the praise you may have expected.

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Note these CPU gaming tests are done with a 4090, so they represent worst case scenario for gaming power draw (when paired with fastest GPU).

Saving Watts isn't necessarily about saving Watts, but also saving heat. I'm not running my RAM at bog standard 4800 MHz because it saves 10 W on my CPU (which isn't bad when idle, but that's besides the point), but because it also saves 5-7 °C, and some time on boot.

 

[Dr. Dro]

You can still do Multi GPU. In fact that's pretty much what AMD calls it these days. mGPU.

So you can mGPU pretty much all the RX cards of the same or similar part number. I have mGPU RX 6700 non XT and RX 6700 Xt. As I will example below. Interestingly, the display driver did Not like the XT installed with the non XT as the backup for some odd reason. Was completely unstable.

Only works on DX12 and up though....

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Problem is that DX12 explicit multi adapter is only supported in 3DMark and a single game (Ashes of the Singularity Benchmark)

 

[phanbuey]

When you consider how Intel has handled the entire Raptor Lake degradation debacle, I don't see going to a 7800X3D as a "downgrade" from a 13700K. Intel was at first blaming board partners as to why their CPUs were unstable, to finally admitting that there's indeed issues with CPUs degrading (and also the oxidation issue they decided to never admit until recently, despite it happening in 2023), and then releasing a BIOS update with the microcode fix that ended up introducing new bugs in the BIOS. For instance, disabling the baseline BIOS settings completely disables the voltage limit for some god forsaken reason, even though Intel's exact reason for this update is to implement a hard voltage limit that can be requested. Those issues were documented on Buildzoid's channel. It took Intel forever to finally admit there was an actual issue when there were documented crashes occurring on Raptor Lake as early as late 2022, they didn't even bother recalling any CPUs that were potentially affected by the oxidation issue, and all they did was increase your warranty by two years. Sure, that's great, but considering how Intel has tried to squirm their way out of this and sweep it under the rug until it got really bad for them when Wendell and GN Steve called them out, I wouldn't trust that they'll honor RMAs for every affected CPU. I've also read some people saying that Intel basically would ghost them whenever they would inquire about a replacement CPU due to experiencing crashes.

Yeah, Ryzen 7000 CPUs were blowing up in the past due to SoC voltage being pumped way too high by default when enabling EXPO. However, AMD made absolute sure to have it fixed ASAP and made it right for those who were affected. It's not about companies having issues with faulty products, it happens. What matters is the response to it and what actions said company takes to alleviate those issues.

Besides, AM5 also will have future CPU releases, whereas LGA1700 is completely finished as of this fall/winter when Arrow Lake arrives. And I'm not very keen on trusting that Arrow Lake won't have issues with degradation considering the fact that clock speeds seem to still be 5.5+ GHz for ST workloads, but we'll have to see.

If you're gaming it's not a downgrade...

But if you're gaming at a 1440 or above it's not a real upgrade.

If your'e gaming + your old chip and mobo setup was causing grief in terms of temps, heat etc. then it's actually a pretty huge upgrade just from the mental side - your FPS are a bit smoother, you feel better, you're happier with the build.

 

[nguyen]

Turned off HT and E-Cores on my 13700KF, it runs much smoother (higher 1% Low FPS in online competitive games)

7800X3D is better, but it's not to a degree that's worth upgrading to even with a 4090, much less 6900XT

I'm waiting for the outcome of the battle of next-gen CPU, 9800X3D vs Arrow Lake-S to make my decision for the next upgrade

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Turned off HT and E-Cores on my 13700KF, it runs much smoother (higher 1% Low FPS in online competitive games)

7800X3D is better, but it's not to a degree that's worth upgrading to even with a 4090, much less 6900XT

I'm waiting for the outcome of the battle of next-gen CPU, 9800X3D vs Arrow Lake-S to make my decision for the next upgrade

I mean they are both great cpu's you'd have a hard time at reasonable settings telling apart.... Although I get the impression performance isn't the main reason the OP switched.

 

[igormp]

As for the on topic part of this thread. big sad :c I idle at like 150w.

I feel you, but mostly because Ampere is shit at idle, and even worse on Linux. Each of my 3090s idles at 35~45W.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Problem is that DX12 explicit multi adapter is only supported in 3DMark and a single game (Ashes of the Singularity Benchmark)

Correct. That 1 game and a few 3DMark Benchmarks can utilize non identical cards.

All other DX12 games and up mGPU is supported. That means both of the cards need to be identical.

I think the Night Raid Benchmark only supports identical RX GPUs if I remember right.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I put together a 7800X3D system this week. It's a peach. There will always be emotionally stunted people chugging haterade and trying to get a rise out of you on the interwebz. Water off a duck's back.

 

[NSX05]

Saving Watts isn't necessarily about saving Watts, but also saving heat. I'm not running my RAM at bog standard 4800 MHz because it saves 10 W on my CPU (which isn't bad when idle, but that's besides the point), but because it also saves 5-7 °C, and some time on boot.

When it gets uncomfortably hot in the summer here, the ambient temperature in my room soars to the 30s and 40s. To make matters worse, A/C is expensive, and the electricity to power it, is expensive. Can't win either way, so going with a machine that runs cooler and dumps less heat into the room is actually better.

If you're gaming it's not a downgrade...

And if you're moving from a platform with no further upgrades to one with future products planned for at least the next 3 years, that should not be considered a downgrade either. A sidegrade, perhaps, but it would only improve from that point. And sometimes a sidegrade makes sense to do, as in my situation above.

 

[AusWolf]

When it gets uncomfortably hot in the summer here, the ambient temperature in my room soars to the 30s and 40s. To make matters worse, A/C is expensive, and the electricity to power it, is expensive. Can't win either way, so going with a machine that runs cooler and dumps less heat into the room is actually better.

Not to mention the rest of your system parts which also soak up some of their surrounding heat.

 

[gffermari]

It matters as Nvidia keeps raising prices but giving the consumers less of the die, like the 4070Ti should've been a 4060Ti at best, with its 192 bit bus and only 12GB VRAM.

Why does the size matter and not the number of transistors for example?
nVidia could say that we sell you more transistors regardless the smaller size of the die. The die size argument is a joke and I hope you understand.

on topic: stick to the positive. You can upgrade to the next 3D with the minimum effort.
And this is why I think to do the crime and upgrade to AM5 although my 5800X3D is decent enough for gaming.

 

[kapone32]

I get it, sometimes you live with a cpu and just don't like it..... I had a 7800X3D for a week and was like na.

Although alternatives I could see my 7950X3D bugging a lot of people as well.

Kinda reminds me of the 9900k I had a love/hate relationship although part of that was the Z390 Code just being kinda crap for a 450 usd board though....

Switching hardware only needs to make sense to the one purchasing the hardware. OP gave it a year did a ton of tweaks and was like na. Sometimes you just need a change.

I don't mind raptorlake it's fine I've only had issues with 2 out of the box and one was just crappy default bios settings. It's not hard to get it down to 125-140w while only losing a small amount of perfomance in gaming which I find acceptable.

I care more about what my CPU consumes than my GPU but that's only because I like to get total system power about 600w in worse case scenarios so the highest all core power draw I'm willing to live with is 140w.... People should never try to use their own use case to judge someone else hardware purchase decisions.

We have plenty of Intel is the greatest or AMD is the greatest threads so somebody switching to or from them isn't a big deal honestly or at least shouldn't be.

Also reviews are very good as a guide but they give you 0 insight into how living with a piece of hardware is going to be so unless you can buy everything and test it yourself you'll never have the full picture.

At the end of the day it's just silicon I'm not attached to one brand more than the other but I am glad I typically get hands on with a lot of different hardware prior to making a purchasing decision somtimes you just have to take a chance sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't.

The 6900XT is fine nothing AMD has is worth upgrading to from it (7900XTX is borderline if you hate nvidia for whatever reason) and until the 4070ti super dropped no card from nvidia that was worth a shite had more than 12GB under 1200 usd the op wanted 16GB of vram obviously, it's not mine or anyone's place to tell them they shouldn't want it...

My 2 cents anyways that ain't worth jack either lol.

You got that right. A few people on here that never used my 7900X3D, tell me that I am lying about the performance of that chip. When I tell them that not every Game supports Vcache they did not understand how 6 cores running at 5.6 GHz would mean that in some Games the 7900X3D is faster in Games that do not support Vcache but the 7800X3D argument got raised to the point where I bought one.

Compared to the 7900X3D the 7800X3D feels sluggish in regular use. So like you after 1 week of use I returned it. The OP got real pushback from pro Intel users that love to bash AMD.

 

[AusWolf]

You got that right. A few people on here that never used my 7900X3D, tell me that I am lying about the performance of that chip. When I tell them that not every Game supports Vcache they did not understand how 6 cores running at 5.6 GHz would mean that in some Games the 7900X3D is faster in Games that do not support Vcache but the 7800X3D argument got raised to the point where I bought one.

Compared to the 7900X3D the 7800X3D feels sluggish in regular use. So like you after 1 week of use I returned it. The OP got real pushback from pro Intel users that love to bash AMD.

What do you mean by "sluggish in regular use"? Personally, I can barely feel any difference between my 7800X3D and an old i5 in regular use as long as they're both booting from an SSD.

I'm not trying to nitpick, and I don't disagree with you, I'm just curious.

 

[kapone32]

What do you mean by "sluggish in regular use"? Personally, I can barely feel any difference between my 7800X3D and an old i5 in regular use as long as they're both booting from an SSD.

I'm not trying to nitpick, and I don't disagree with you, I'm just curious.

8 cores running at 5.0 Ghz vs 6 cores running at 5.6 Ghz. Then there is more L3 Cache vs that as well. For me it is the same as the 5800X vs the 5900X.

 

[AusWolf]

8 cores running at 5.0 Ghz vs 6 cores running at 5.6 Ghz. Then there is more L3 Cache vs that as well. For me it is the same as the 5800X vs the 5900X.

Sure, but these are just arbitrary numbers. How does one feel more "sluggish" than the other in everyday use?

 

[sethmatrix7]

Who's kidding who.

It's a Down grade period, OP got what he wanted, shared some thoughts....sloppily. Perhaps it should had been a profile update instead. I'm one who wants to see screen shots, FPS differences, load v-cores.... any kind of comparison with actual data.

Nope, it's a feelings thread lol. XD.

You’re kidding yourself.

Going to a faster more efficient processor is not a downgrade, even if it’s a small margin of performance improvement. We don’t need OP to post benches to know that.

 

[Devon68]

Jeez guys what is up with all the attack's, as long as she is happy with the switch it's all good.
As for bashing the 6900xt, I have a 6950xt and got it for 620$, some of the cards you are comparing it to cost like the 4070 around 590-650$ for the cheaper and more shitty models, the 4070 ti was 900$, the 4080 was 1200$ at the time, and not to mention the 4090 that was 2000-2200$ depending on the model. No one buys a high end card for it's efficiency but for it's performance.

Ps Some of the comments on the first page felt like an attack, but down the line I'm happy to see it tidy down and become a normal discussion thread.