AMD Ryzen 5 7600X3D Beats Ryzen 7 9700X "Zen 5" at Gaming

[btarunr]

With German retailer Mindfactory.de listing the Ryzen 5 7600X3D, European hardware reviewers are beginning to put the chip through its paces on their Socket AM5 test beds still warm from last month's Ryzen 9000 "Zen 5" launch coverage. PCGH is among the first such reviewers, and has an interesting set of findings. The biggest question everyone is looking to be answered is "how does it game?" and here PCGH has some good news. The processor is very fast at gaming, and in fact beats the 8-core Ryzen 7 9700X "Zen 5" chip in gaming benchmarks, ending up 6% faster than when averaged across the games in PCGH's test suite. It's also about 9% slower than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D, which remains the reigning champion.

Being faster than the 9700X also means that the Ryzen 5 7600X3D is faster than every other Ryzen 9000 series processor launched till date, including the flagship Ryzen 9 9950X. The 7600X3D is a whopping 11% faster than the 9950X at gaming. When compared to Intel contemporaries, the 7600X3D ends up about 1% slower than the Core i5-13600K, and 2% slower than the newer i5-14600K. These were the two chips the 7600X3D was sent to beat at gaming, so crowds are drawn to the Ryzen 5 series, and the chip ends up falling a touch short. A lot will depend on whether AMD gives the 7600X3D a wider launch, and what its street price ends up being. Find the complete PCGH review of the Ryzen 5 7600X3D in the source link below.



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[Hyderz]

That much is obvious

 

[Ferrum Master]

What's news worthy here?

 

[_roman_]

I was on the road yesterday. I read a bit on the small 6" smartphone screen the pcgh (pcgameshardware.de) page in german.

I looked over the application benchmark results. The processor Ryzen 7600X3d is worse than the Ryzen 7600X in application tasks.

I do not agree with this statement

Being faster than the 9700X also means that the Ryzen 5 7600X3D is faster than every other Ryzen 9000 series processor launched till date,

In my point of view those X3D processors, like Ryzen 5800x3d, are sometimes better, but very often even worse as the counterpart, Ryzen 5800x. The Ryzen 9000 Series is similar, sometimes better but sometimes worse than the Ryzen 7600X. I'm well aware of that those benchmarks are heavily influenced if you run Microsoft Windows or gnu linux or self compiled binaries in gnu gentoo linux.

Therefore I would not say claim the Ryzen 7600X3d is faster. the Ryzen 7600X3d may be a choice for gaming only computers without work related workload. The price does not justify it worse performance. The Ryzen 7500F / 7600 / 7600X or the Ryzen 7800X3d are better choices. It depends if you want to game or if you just want a placeholder for future cpu upgrades.

Source of information: According to https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryze...Release-Preis-Effizienz-GPU-Grafik-1455138/2/
Ryzen 5 7600X3D im Test: Benchmarks (Anwendungen) - 7zip Benchmark.
Translates to Ryzen 7600X3d Benchmark values in application, benchmarks for the 7zip compression tool

The 7600X3D looses to the Ryzen 7500f (the worst result in my point of view) / 7600 / 7600X / 9950X. As expected more cores, faster cores gives better results in my point of view.

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I also want to state. Mindfactory only sell to german based addresses in germany. So it is not available in europe!
Just to make it clear, so there is no nonsense on webpages, claiming it is available in europe. I'm not allwed to order there from europe, as I'm not a german citizen and I do not have a german passport and a german based shipment address.
(Fun fact - stupid politician idea: there was some weird idea for free movement of goods and people - but for some reason - it seems fake news and fake information -> eg (europäische gemeinschaft) turned into eu (europäische union -> europe union))

What's news worthy here?

First: USA only processor
Now: German also sells that processor, a small country in europe (check the map!). Only for german based citizians. Not for european citizens. Mindfactory seesm to have exclusive rights to sell that processor.

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Benchmarks in german for the Ryzen 7600X3d Processor. Not sure if there were any other benchmarks already available. The site pcgameshardware.de is some well known hardware test site like computerbase.de and hardwareluxx.de. these are technical websites in german language.

 

[LabRat 891]

Unsurprising. Wake me up when 9##0X3D hits.

 

[Ferrum Master]

First: USA only processor
Now: German also sells that processor, a small country in europe (check the map!)

Who cares... that's the point.

 

[Vayra86]

In other news, water is wet

 

[petr88]

How is it possible that the I5-13600K is better for gaming than the 7600X3D? It has a worse manufacturing process, a smaller cache, so how is it possible that it is a bit faster?

 

[Ruru]

Should be way cheaper than 329EUR.

 

[mikesg]

That is the most flawed test.... You have the 9950x 1% faster than the 7950x...

 

[jmcosta]

How is it possible that the I5-13600K is better for gaming than the 7600X3D? It has a worse manufacturing process, a smaller cache, so how is it possible that it is a bit faster?

My guess is core frequency and memory latency

 

[Melvis]

Probably a 7800X3D with two cores disabled......

 

[Hakker]

How is it possible that the I5-13600K is better for gaming than the 7600X3D? It has a worse manufacturing process, a smaller cache, so how is it possible that it is a bit faster?

Higher clocked and when you are gaming it will use 2-3x more power than the 7600X3D will. 13th and 14th gen Intel CPU's are broken in more ways than one. Ryzen really is an impressive processor especially compared to the Intel ones.

 

[Chaitanya]

In other news, water is wet

And Overdosing on water can kill you.
similar to how broad painting of this X3D CPU better than non X3D counterparts is stupid statement at best.

 

[gridracedriver]

There is a before and after 5800x3d!
5800x3d so impressive, Generational CPU.

 

[Julhes]

Il y a rien qui vos choque là ?

 

[RamiHaidafy]

I mean, we all know how much games love that X3D cache.

The 5800X3D is outperforming the 9950X in that same chart. That is more newsworthy than the 7600X3D beating the 9700X.

 

[R0H1T]

How is it possible that the I5-13600K is better for gaming than the 7600X3D? It has a worse manufacturing process, a smaller cache, so how is it possible that it is a bit faster?

Less cores, L2 cache & lower clock speeds! Did you miss all the times when AMD beat Intel with inferior nodes?

Also the result is barely 1% in a handful of games, that's well within margin of error.

 

[Sarajiel]

Just to make it clear, so there is no nonsense on webpages, claiming it is available in europe. I'm not allwed to order there from europe, as I'm not a german citizen and I do not have a german passport and a german based shipment address.

Mindfactory does not require their customers to be German citizens and does not check their passports when ordering online. So much for the nonsense part.

They do limit sales to German addresses that can be delivered to via DHL's standard rates. Mindfactory also excludes certain German islands in the North Sea, because of the additional costs required to ship to them.

Just because a retailer is located inside the European single market, doesn't mean there is an obligation to sell to everyone. It's probably a deliberate choice to keep business costs low. For example, Alternate another German online retailer that has about twice the revenue of Mindfactory and was founded around the same time in the mid-90s, also ships to the Benelux countries and France.

Should be way cheaper than 329EUR.

Sadly, that's AMD's current conversion rate for MSRPs in Germany, $1 equals about €1.1, despite the street prices being more like €0.9 to €1. Right now, the 7600X3D seems more like a collector's item than a serious product anyway. If you hurry, they even give you a free T-Shirt when ordering.

I mean, we all know how much games love that X3D cache. The 5800X3D is still kicking butt.

The large retailers stopped selling them in Germany. Haven't checked the rest of Europe yet, but it seems there isn't more fresh stock coming in at the moment.


For reviews, you should probably wait for Computer Base or Hardware Luxx reviewing the 7600X3D, these are much more competent sites from what I remember.

 

[Bwaze]

Some reviewers have updated their results of Ryzen 5 CPUs by retesting them with "branch prediction optimization", and of course not retested older Ryzens, so they could conclude that the generational uplift is "considerable" now...

 

[dgianstefani]

Il y a rien qui vos choque là ?
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English speaking forum, but no this isn't shocking.

The 7900X3D has two CCD but no hardware scheduler, unlike Intel, so suffers from scheduling issues and cross CCD latency, hence why the 7600X3D is faster in games.

Hence why i maintain the 7900X3D is a processor without a reason, it's the slowest of the X3Ds, so 7800X3D makes more sense or even 7600X3D, and if you need the cores for work/money making it makes zero sense to not pony up for the 7950.

 

[azrael]

Just because a retailer is located inside the European single market, doesn't mean there is an obligation to sell to everyone. It's probably a deliberate choice to keep business costs low. For example, Alternate another German online retailer that has about twice the revenue of Mindfactory and was founded around the same time in the mid-90s, also ships to the Benelux countries and France.

Alternate also has a "Danish" web shop. FWIW, if I could've chosen which German (r)etailer got the exclusivity deal it would probably have been CaseKing. Apparently, their support isn't the best, but at least they ship to pretty much all of Europe.

 

[Broken Processor]

Maybe missed it in the article but was the 9700x benchmarked with 105w?

 

[Bwaze]

Mindfactory does not require their customers to be German citizens and does not check their passports when ordering online. So much for the nonsense part.

They do limit sales to German addresses that can be delivered to via DHL's standard rates. Mindfactory also excludes certain German islands in the North Sea, because of the additional costs required to ship to them.

Just because a retailer is located inside the European single market, doesn't mean there is an obligation to sell to everyone. It's probably a deliberate choice to keep business costs low. For example, Alternate another German online retailer that has about twice the revenue of Mindfactory and was founded around the same time in the mid-90s, also ships to the Benelux countries and France.

Mindfactory also checks if the German address provided is a mail forwarding company like Mailbox.de, Shipgerman etc. , as do many other retailers. It's strange that most of the retailers we're offering wide shipping options 20 years ago when my country wasn't even in EU, and then it slowly eroded to today's state, when most of them only offer shipping to their country, or some random small circle of neighbouring countries. It all just reinforced separation to "EU proper" and "EU third world"...

 

[phints]

I mean, we all know how much games love that X3D cache.

The 5800X3D is outperforming the 9950X in that same chart. That is more newsworthy than the 7600X3D beating the 9700X.

5800X3D is outperformed by the 9700X on this chart though. Neither of which impresses me other than 9700X being a 65W part. Ryzen has shown that it clearly needs more cache to perform its best in gaming.