Sony Reveals the PlayStation 5 Pro, Launches November 7th

[alawadhi3000]

I believe one thing, it's the official statement of +45% rendering power for PS5 Pro over previous gen, the rest are leaks or speculations.

I already knew what you believe 10 posts ago, no need to repeat it in every post, move on.

I didn't quote a sentence so I had a hard time figuring out what u were meaning. You mean his leaks were removed by Sony right ? So what ? It doesn't mean leaks are right... Actually it's even worse for Sony if the leaks are wrong and they will want to have them removed even more.

You quoted one sentence, go back and read it, its simple.

How can you be so sure if there is not yet any official confirmation of the leaked info regarding flops and such ??

For the 1000 time, his leak is from Sony's documentation which was given to some developers, while Sony can still finetune things such as clockspeeds a few months before release they can't change the hardware that late.

??

Incase you didn't read (unsurprisingly!) it wasn't a reply to you.

While I do think the PS5 Pro will be slightly cheaper than a PC with equivalent hardware, it's getting closer than it has ever been. I did the maths with japanese prices, 120k yen for the PS5 Pro, and I was able to build a very similar machine with a 4060 Ti for around 140K yen. I agree the PS5 Pro is still decently positioned vs PCs in pure gaming use, and if you don't use services requiring monthly subscriptions, but it's pretty damn close now, and since with a PC you can do so much more than just gaming, I do think the PC is getting the advantage overall here.

There are 200's more countries left for you to try, hopefully you'll get a country where a similar PC is cheaper.

By the way the PS5 Pro is now finally in the TPU database. It's not final data but it's also very different from the data you claim to be already facts :

AMD Playstation 5 Pro GPU Specs

AMD Viola, 2350 MHz, 3840 Cores, 240 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 16384 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

At least the flops are very different to say the least. Not sure if it will end up being true or not, but what's sure is that your data aren't that much facts yet.

Apparently you don't realize (unsurprisingly!) that most of the data on the page is a copy and paste from PS5 GPU specs so I'll just LOL and move on.

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

RDNA2 to RDNA 3 TFLOPs comparison is more or less valid if you are talking about rasterization performance and take into account that RDNA3 has dual issue FP32 ALUs (TLDR divide RDNA3 TFLOPs by 2 and compare to RDNA2).

As I said before about performance, believe whatever you want to believe.

Read the last few words of the sentence you quoted.

Every detail Sony gave about the PS5 Pro was leaked by him correctly 6 months ago, whether he was reliable or not before doesn't matter to me, on the PS5 Pro he was dead correct and I would actually believe him if he leaked something else about it, up to you whether or not you believe him.


Which is why I'm saying its based on Navi32/7800XT and not Navi32/7800XT

3) You trying to make a PC comparable to a PS5 Pro, since the PS5 has WIFI then you need to include one as well, WIFI is more convenient.
4) PS5 = less than 6600XT? LOL OK.
6) Stand for PS5/PS5 Pro is not required, its optional, I'm using mine without a stand, also you need both K&M and a controller to operate a Gaming PC, you can't play all games on a just a K&M.
7) Linux is free but unreliable for high end PC Gaming, cheap Windows keys are illegal.
8) Optional, not required, however its so valuable that you are likely to get it since it has so many games and extra benefits that its totally worth it.
9) Which is why its called optional, you have the option to get it or not, either way you'll enjoy the console whether you got it or not.

How the PC is $1000? Well add all the correct parts and you'll see how you can't get it below $1000 unless you go used or cut corners.

3) if you can use the argument that you don’t need a PS account(because that’s ALSO convenience just like Wi-Fi) to play games, you don’t need WiFi to play online games and can use the Ethernet. Stop changing goal posts

4) yes it does and here’s your proof:

I trust Gamer Nexus way more than Digital Foundry any day of the week of any year and I’m definitely not alone in that thinking. I was actually super nice about the PS5 performance. Steve, not so much LMAO

5) you don’t need a K&M and a controller for the PC unless certain games you want to play that’s doesn’t accept controller and that usually a PC ONLY game. Also thanks to Valve’s Big Picture mode, you can hop on and get straight toy your games without a K&B and just use controller. Nice try tho…

6) Linux is unreliable? Ok so is Windows and your point? Also people use Bazzite for dual purpose PC and AMD AND Nvidia GPUs perform BETTER in Linux. Also, you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Windows Keys. Cheap Windows keys are NOT illegal. If they were, they why are you paying for it instead of getting it? Common sense. Also, how would YOU know if the cheap Windows Keys are illegal…

8) it was about the stand

9)yes it optional but why would you spend $500 to play the same single player games that you play in PS4? AND NEVER PLAY ONLINE. I’m not telling people how to spend their money but to bring that kind of logic to the argument doesn’t makes sense when there are other cheaper options available. Also, again AS A CONVENIENCE… you need to add the PS plus to the total cost to the PS5 and that’s over $1000…but you refused to see it that way and ignore parts of the argument and says a PC equivalent is $1000 and it’s no where near.

 

[alawadhi3000]

3) if you can use the argument that you don’t need a PS account(because that’s ALSO convenience just like Wi-Fi) to play games, you don’t need WiFi to play online games and can use the Ethernet. Stop changing goal posts

You're trying to build a PC to match a PS5 Pro, its not the other way around, its the PC that has to match the PS5 Pro hardware features, PS5 Pro has WIFI & BT.

4) yes it does and here’s your proof:

I trust Gamer Nexus way more than Digital Foundry any day of the week of any year and I’m definitely not alone in that thinking. I was actually super nice about the PS5 performance. Steve, not so much LMAO

LMAO, drawing conclusion about PS5 GPU from a video that tested three games at 120Hz less than two months after the PS5 release, not to mention the poor choice of games.
FYI you don't test a GPU using 120 FPS, lol.

5) you don’t need a K&M and a controller for the PC unless certain games you want to play that’s doesn’t accept controller and that usually a PC ONLY game. Also thanks to Valve’s Big Picture mode, you can hop on and get straight toy your games without a K&B and just use controller. Nice try tho…

And you're gonna install Windows or Linux using your controller? LOL.

6) Linux is unreliable? Ok so is Windows and your point? Also people use Bazzite for dual purpose PC and AMD AND Nvidia GPUs perform BETTER in Linux. Also, you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Windows Keys. Cheap Windows keys are NOT illegal. If they were, they why are you paying for it instead of getting it? Common sense. Also, how would YOU know if the cheap Windows Keys are illegal…

Linux is unreliable as a high end gaming PC, doesn't twist my words to your liking.

And yes cheap Windows keys violates Microsoft ToS and are illegal.

8) it was about the stand

Still not required.

9)yes it optional but why would you spend $500 to play the same single player games that you play in PS4? AND NEVER PLAY ONLINE. I’m not telling people how to spend their money but to bring that kind of logic to the argument doesn’t makes sense when there are other cheaper options available. Also, again AS A CONVENIENCE… you need to add the PS plus to the total cost to the PS5 and that’s over $1000…but you refused to see it that way and ignore parts of the argument and says a PC equivalent is $1000 and it’s no where near.

You know that you can play online without a PS+ subscription, right?

 

[TokyoQuaSaR]

I already knew what you believe 10 posts ago, no need to repeat it in every post, move on.

Because you keep talking about facts that are not actually facts.

You quoted one sentence, go back and read it, its simple.

Well you could be more explicit... Maybe you talk about your leak that supposedly "shows a game gaining way over 45% performance, this is not proven yet though." ? It's actually the only thing that is proven to be wrong, since in the presentation, Mark Cerny explicitly said "up to 45%" and ". And by the way I couldn't identify where in your leak there was such evidence.

For the 1000 time, his leak is from Sony's documentation which was given to some developers,

As every leak... And all leaks aren't always true in the end...

while Sony can still finetune things such as clockspeeds a few months before release they can't change the hardware that late.

I don't say it's totally wrong, but anyway there is not that much in your leak. No TFLOPS, no frequency, etc.

PS5 Pro = RDNA3 60CU @ 2344 MHz (36 TFLOPs)

Especially those TFLOPs and frequency, these are not in your leak.

Incase you didn't read (unsurprisingly!) it wasn't a reply to you.

I did, and I just added my opinion on it. I'm more in the middle of you guys on this one by the way.

There are 200's more countries left for you to try, hopefully you'll get a country where a similar PC is cheaper.

I can't talk about every single country in the world, but I doubt it is that much different. I'm talking roughly anyway, saying it's getting pretty damn close. And it will probably get worse, since PC prices decrease faster than consoles usually.

Apparently you don't realize (unsurprisingly!) that most of the data on the page is a copy and paste from PS5 GPU specs so I'll just LOL and move on.

I checked and it's not for at least a good part, like frequencies and TFLOPs. Sure it's subject to change and probably wrong on some parts, but if there were sure facts about it as you claim, it would probably be there.

But I agree we should move on and wait for the actual test of the console.

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

You're trying to build a PC to match a PS5 Pro, its not the other way around, its the PC that has to match the PS5 Pro hardware features, PS5 Pro has WIFI & BT.

LMAO, drawing conclusion about PS5 GPU from a video that tested three games at 120Hz less than two months after the PS5 release, not to mention the poor choice of games.
FYI you don't test a GPU using 120 FPS, lol.

And you're gonna install Windows or Linux using your controller? LOL.

Linux is unreliable as a high end gaming PC, doesn't twist my words to your liking.

And yes cheap Windows keys violates Microsoft ToS and are illegal.

Still not required.

You know that you can play online without a PS+ subscription, right?

1) the fact that you can is already an L for the consoles. Also you can find an AM4 motherboard with wifi and BT for less than $100 NOT used so

2) the 120fps gaming shows the capability of the GPU and something that is comparable to and at the time was compared to a GTX 1060. And guess what? Nvidia also has that fine wine ideology like AMD so if consoles have matured in gaming so has the GTX 1060 LMAO. GTX 1080 and 1080ti are PRIME EXAMPLES.

3) no but can use a keyboard with out a mouse soooooo....

4) and yet people are moving to Linux everyday because of Microsoft and most GPU and CPU drivers are more reliable and stable than Windows and majority of games that are not owned by Microsoft or Sony(look that up)

5) So there is no such thing as sale on Windows Key? Windows OS go on sale ALL of the time and places to get those key are CHEAP AND LEGIT. Understand what you are saying before using it a point for argument(like the emulation issue with Nintendo Switch..) and AGAIN, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF THEY ARE ILLEGAL??? IS the website you're getting from a safe website?

6) not technically require but CONVIENTLY required...two different things

7) Since you ignored my last comment I'll paste it here again. I know that you don't need a PS membership but: WHY WOULD YOU SPEND $500 TO PLAY THE SAME SINGLE PLAYER GAMES that you play on PS4? AND NEVER PLAY ONLINE. I’m not telling people how to spend their money but to bring that kind of logic to the argument doesn’t makes sense when there are other cheaper options available. Also, again AS A CONVENIENCE… you need to add the PS plus to the total cost to the PS5 and that’s over $1000…but you refused to see it that way and ignore parts of the argument and says a PC equivalent is $1000 and it’s no where near.

 

[alawadhi3000]

Well you could be more explicit... Maybe you talk about your leak that supposedly "shows a game gaining way over 45% performance, this is not proven yet though." ? It's actually the only thing that is proven to be wrong, since in the presentation, Mark Cerny explicitly said "up to 45%" and ". And by the way I couldn't identify where in your leak there was such evidence.

Mark Cerny also said that one of the goals of the PS5 Pro is to get games that run on the fidelity graphics mode (30FPS/40FPS) to run at 60FPS, thats a gain of 50%-100%, is he contradicting himself there?

As every leak... And all leaks aren't always true in the end...

LOL.

I don't say it's totally wrong, but anyway there is not that much in your leak. No TFLOPS, no frequency, etc.

Especially those TFLOPs and frequency, these are not in your leak.

Googling "PS5 Pro 36TFLOPs" is hard for you?

I checked and it's not for at least a good part, like frequencies and TFLOPs. Sure it's subject to change and probably wrong on some parts, but if there were sure facts about it as you claim, it would probably be there.

LOL you really have high hopes for TPU database when they can't even get all specs on a desktop GPU right like a RX 7800XT.

1) the fact that you can is already an L for the consoles. Also you can find an AM4 motherboard with wifi and BT for less than $100 NOT used so

WIFI7 please, just like the PS5 Pro.

2) the 120fps gaming shows the capability of the GPU and something that is comparable to and at the time was compared to a GTX 1060. And guess what? Nvidia also has that fine wine ideology like AMD so if consoles have matured in gaming so has the GTX 1060 LMAO. GTX 1080 and 1080ti are PRIME EXAMPLES.

Testing above 100FPS stresses many other components like CPU & RAM, you can't know for sure its a GPU bottleneck on a PS5, so yes its a dumb comparison if your goal was to know how powerful the GPU is.

3) no but can use a keyboard with out a mouse soooooo....

Congrats then, you saved yourself $5, now you can get the PC for $1025 instead of $1030 LOL.

4) and yet people are moving to Linux everyday because of Microsoft and most GPU and CPU drivers are more reliable and stable than Windows and majority of games that are not owned by Microsoft or Sony(look that up)

Who moved to Linux for high end gaming? Thats just dumb.

5) So there is no such thing as sale on Windows Key? Windows OS go on sale ALL of the time and places to get those key are CHEAP AND LEGIT. Understand what you are saying before using it a point for argument(like the emulation issue with Nintendo Switch..) and AGAIN, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF THEY ARE ILLEGAL??? IS the website you're getting from a safe website?

LOL none of these cheap keys store can give you a legitimate key. All of them sell keys from old PCs, keys that were sold to an educational institution for a big discount, volume keys, ....etc. All are illegal to be resold.

6) not technically require but CONVIENTLY required...two different things

7) Since you ignored my last comment I'll paste it here again. I know that you don't need a PS membership but: WHY WOULD YOU SPEND $500 TO PLAY THE SAME SINGLE PLAYER GAMES that you play on PS4? AND NEVER PLAY ONLINE. I’m not telling people how to spend their money but to bring that kind of logic to the argument doesn’t makes sense when there are other cheaper options available. Also, again AS A CONVENIENCE… you need to add the PS plus to the total cost to the PS5 and that’s over $1000…but you refused to see it that way and ignore parts of the argument and says a PC equivalent is $1000 and it’s no where near.

Read the last sentence, your answer is right there, you can play online for free without a PS+ subscription LOL.

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

Mark Cerny also said that one of the goals of the PS5 Pro is to get games that run on the fidelity graphics mode (30FPS/40FPS) to run at 60FPS, thats a gain of 50%-100%, is he contradicting himself there?

LOL.

Googling "PS5 Pro 36TFLOPs" is hard for you?


LOL you really have high hopes for TPU database when they can't even get all specs on a desktop GPU right like a RX 7800XT.


WIFI7 please, just like the PS5 Pro.

Testing above 100FPS stresses many other components like CPU & RAM, you can't know for sure its a GPU bottleneck on a PS5, so yes its a dumb comparison if your goal was to know how powerful the GPU is.

Congrats then, you saved yourself $5, now you can get the PC for $1025 instead of $1030 LOL.

Who moved to Linux for high end gaming? Thats just dumb.

LOL none of these cheap keys store can give you a legitimate key. All of them sell keys from old PCs, keys that were sold to an educational institution for a big discount, volume keys, ....etc. All are illegal to be resold.

Read the last sentence, your answer is right there, you can play online for free without a PS+ subscription LOL.

1) Most Wifi 7 routers are not available and most people don't have a Wi-fi 7 router. Stop moving goal post please. Also since you want to mention that, lets add another $250-700 on top of that as well since it's soooo CONVIENT(you seem to have a hard time understanding this word)

2) Consoles have a set performance target to achieve, otherwise we would have actual PC like performance from consoles instead of BEING BOTTLENECK TO THE GROUND LIKE THE PS5 AND SERIES X since you can't understand that. The fact that Steve is able to achieve those console performance with GTX 1060 SAYS A LOT. The reason you are having issue with is because of Shill Foundry.. let's keep it real...

3) YIPEE! IT went from $700 to $690 so the PC IS CHEAPER THAN THE PS5 PRO LOL keep using that $1000 with no ACTUAL PROOF please.. quite entertaining to say the least...

4)Ask the Steam Deck Community LMAO and also people who are sick and tired of Windows...Also any GPU that's higher than a RX 6800 is considered high end and a lot of people bought 4070s....

5) Bro, you obviously have a motive and ignore that the fact that you can find Windows Keys for sale that's NOT STOLEN and again that you refuse to say...WHERE AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE STOLEN?!?!? How DO YOU KNOW they are from unused education institutional codes? DO THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOU BUY IT? DO THEY TELL YOU WHERE THEY GO IT FROM? DO THEY TELL YOU THEY STOLE IT?? HOW DO YOU KNOW???? All you said is cheap Windows keys are illegal. So if I go to Newegg.com and buy Windows 10 for $50 when it originally was $120 for the basic version and $200 for the pro version, IS THAT STILL ILLEGAL??? GROUPON(a legit site) has Windows 10 keys for $15 dollars RIGHT NOW! Is that ILLEGAL? If so, then Microsoft should go after GROUPON(they are not)

6) Now read the bolded section again and come back to me: Since you ignored my last comment I'll paste it here again. I know that you don't need a PS membership but(read this part please): WHY WOULD YOU SPEND $500 TO PLAY THE SAME SINGLE PLAYER GAMES that you play on PS4? AND NEVER PLAY ONLINE. I’m not telling people how to spend their money but to bring that kind of logic to the argument doesn’t makes sense when there are other cheaper options available. Also, again AS A CONVENIENCE… you need to add the PS plus to the total cost to the PS5 and that’s over $1000…but you refused to see it that way and ignore parts of the argument and says a PC equivalent is $1000 and it’s no where near

 

[alawadhi3000]

1) Most Wifi 7 routers are not available and most people don't have a Wi-fi 7 router. Stop moving goal post please. Also since you want to mention that, lets add another $250-700 on top of that as well since it's soooo CONVIENT(you seem to have a hard time understanding this word)

Changing goalposts? LOL, the PS5 Pro has WIFI7.

2) Consoles have a set performance target to achieve, otherwise we would have actual PC like performance from consoles instead of BEING BOTTLENECK TO THE GROUND LIKE THE PS5 AND SERIES X since you can't understand that. The fact that Steve is able to achieve those console performance with GTX 1060 SAYS A LOT. The reason you are having issue with is because of Shill Foundry.. let's keep it real...

Okay bro, keep telling yourself that and someday you'll believe it.

3) YIPEE! IT went from $700 to $690 so the PC IS CHEAPER THAN THE PS5 PRO LOL keep using that $1000 with no ACTUAL PROOF please.. quite entertaining to say the least...

I'm still waiting for a PS5 Pro equivalent PC for $700.

4)Ask the Steam Deck Community LMAO and also people who are sick and tired of Windows...Also any GPU that's higher than a RX 6800 is considered high end and a lot of people bought 4070s....

Steam Deck community? LOL.

My bad my bad, I didn't realize that playing at 800p on low settings is considered high end PC gaming.

5) Bro, you obviously have a motive and ignore that the fact that you can find Windows Keys for sale that's NOT STOLEN and again that you refuse to say...WHERE AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE STOLEN?!?!? How DO YOU KNOW they are from unused education institutional codes? DO THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOU BUY IT? DO THEY TELL YOU WHERE THEY GO IT FROM? DO THEY TELL YOU THEY STOLE IT?? HOW DO YOU KNOW???? All you said is cheap Windows keys are illegal. So if I go to Newegg.com and buy Windows 10 for $50 when it originally was $120 for the basic version and $200 for the pro version, IS THAT STILL ILLEGAL??? GROUPON(a legit site) has Windows 10 keys for $15 dollars RIGHT NOW! Is that ILLEGAL? If so, then Microsoft should go after GROUPON(they are not)

LOL Microsoft doesn't sell retail/OEM Windows for that price, even very large distributers can't get these low prices, you want to tell me that Groupon for example are a charity that sells Microsoft keys at a big loss?

6) Now read the bolded section again and come back to me: Since you ignored my last comment I'll paste it here again. I know that you don't need a PS membership but(read this part please): WHY WOULD YOU SPEND $500 TO PLAY THE SAME SINGLE PLAYER GAMES that you play on PS4? AND NEVER PLAY ONLINE. I’m not telling people how to spend their money but to bring that kind of logic to the argument doesn’t makes sense when there are other cheaper options available. Also, again AS A CONVENIENCE… you need to add the PS plus to the total cost to the PS5 and that’s over $1000…but you refused to see it that way and ignore parts of the argument and says a PC equivalent is $1000 and it’s no where near

You can play online for free without a PS+ subscription, is this very hard for you to understand?

And I didn't realize that Spiderman2 and other PS5 only games can be played on the PS4, please teach all of us (And Sony as well) on how you managed to do this.

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

Changing goalposts? LOL, the PS5 Pro has WIFI7.


Okay bro, keep telling yourself that and someday you'll believe it.


I'm still waiting for a PS5 Pro equivalent PC for $700.

Steam Deck community? LOL.

My bad my bad, I didn't realize that playing at 800p on low settings is considered high end PC gaming.

LOL Microsoft doesn't sell retail/OEM Windows for that price, even very large distributers can't get these low prices, you want to tell me that Groupon for example are a charity that sells Microsoft keys at a big loss?

You can play online for free without a PS+ subscription, is this very hard for you to understand?

And I didn't realize that Spiderman2 and other PS5 only games can be played on the PS4, please teach all of us (And Sony as well) on how you managed to do this.

1) Wi-fi 7 JUST came out. Most people have wi-fi 6 router so Wi-fi 7 is not relevant to the conversation AKA MOVING GOAL POST until you have an ACTUAL argument. Keep on using that Wi-fi 7 that most users DON'T have access to

2) IRONIC coming from you making that statement LMAO you keep on word vomiting on what everybody says and like a parrot repeat it until it becomes true...

3) I'm still waiting on that $1000 PC you keep talking about with no proof once so ever. I have shown you the $700 PC and you willingly ignore that. So please show me that $1000 PC please... I'm waiting...

4) Oh my bad. I forgot that you can't read and don't understand what it's being shown to you... so we're gonna pass it (until you make a remark about it)

5) "LOL Microsoft doesn't sell retail/OEM Windows for that price, even very large distributers can't get these low prices, you want to tell me that Groupon for example are a charity that sells Microsoft keys at a big loss?" You didn't answer my question. IS IT ILLEGAL OR NOT? GROUPON is LEGIT and YOU CAN BUY IT RIGHT NOW. Is GROUPON legit yes or no?

6) "You can play online for free without a PS+ subscription, is this very hard for you to understand" and again Why would you waste $500 to GET A NEW GEN CONSOLE TO PLAY THE SAME SINGLE PLAYER GAMES AS THE PREVIOUS GEN. AND WHY WON'T YOU PLAY ONLINE? Why would you do that if the PS4(cheaper alternative)can play those same games? Answer those questions please.

7) Ask Sony why did they release God of War Ragnarök, Horizon Zero Dawn, Gran Turismo 7, Ghost of Tsushima, Stray, Spider-Man/Miles Morales, DEMON SOULS(LOL), TLOU 1 AND 2. Capcom Fighting Game Collection 1 and 2 for BOTH PS4 and PS5. Sony fanboys are literally pissed at Sony for not releasing games(which is ALSO ironic)

 

[alawadhi3000]

1) Wi-fi 7 JUST came out. Most people have wi-fi 6 router so Wi-fi 7 is not relevant to the conversation AKA MOVING GOAL POST until you have an ACTUAL argument. Keep on using that Wi-fi 7 that most users DON'T have access to

Just came out? LOL, I had mine since July 2023, so thats over a year ago.
Just repeating the obvious until it hopefully (long shot, I know) sticks into your mind, PS5 Pro has WIFI7, your PS5 Pro equivalent PC must have it as well in order to be equivalent, common sense 101.

3) I'm still waiting on that $1000 PC you keep talking about with no proof once so ever. I have shown you the $700 PC and you willingly ignore that. So please show me that $1000 PC please... I'm waiting...

Flawed incomplete PC doesn't count as a PS5 Pro equivalent PC.

5) "LOL Microsoft doesn't sell retail/OEM Windows for that price, even very large distributers can't get these low prices, you want to tell me that Groupon for example are a charity that sells Microsoft keys at a big loss?" You didn't answer my question. IS IT ILLEGAL OR NOT? GROUPON is LEGIT and YOU CAN BUY IT RIGHT NOW. Is GROUPON legit yes or no?

Buy the key and tell them to ship all original Microsoft packaging along with a new COA sticker, and you'll get your answer the hardway LOL.

6) "You can play online for free without a PS+ subscription, is this very hard for you to understand" and again Why would you waste $500 to GET A NEW GEN CONSOLE TO PLAY THE SAME SINGLE PLAYER GAMES AS THE PREVIOUS GEN. AND WHY WON'T YOU PLAY ONLINE? Why would you do that if the PS4(cheaper alternative)can play those same games? Answer those questions please.

PS4 can play Spiderman2? Thats just one example that puts your dumb logic out the window.

7) Ask Sony why did they release God of War Ragnarök, Horizon Zero Dawn, Gran Turismo 7, Ghost of Tsushima, Stray, Spider-Man/Miles Morales, DEMON SOULS(LOL), TLOU 1 AND 2. Capcom Fighting Game Collection 1 and 2 for BOTH PS4 and PS5. Sony fanboys are literally pissed at Sony for not releasing games(which is ALSO ironic)

Outside the scope of our discussion Mr. goalpost guy, please stick to PC vs PS5 Pro at $700, also you still haven't taught us how you managed to play Spiderman2 on a PS4.

 

[TokyoQuaSaR]

Mark Cerny also said that one of the goals of the PS5 Pro is to get games that run on the fidelity graphics mode (30FPS/40FPS) to run at 60FPS, thats a gain of 50%-100%, is he contradicting himself there?

No he is not. There is FSR3, which wasn't present in the original PS5. That's definitely a way for games running at 30fps to run at 60fps while having only +45% rendering perf increase.

LOL.

Googling "PS5 Pro 36TFLOPs" is hard for you?

Come on you are the one arguing we have those numbers, why should I be the one searching for it ? As far as I'm concerned, I'm totally fine with waiting for the actual test of the PS5 Pro after its release. The only reason I want to know about its perfs is because it tells me whether my current 4070 will be enough (in 1440p in my case) for the next couple of years or not, because the Playstation tends to indicate the minimum performance expected for gaming PCs. I don't need a PS5, I have never owned a non portable console in my entire life (except if you consider an Atari ST to be a console).

LOL you really have high hopes for TPU database when they can't even get all specs on a desktop GPU right like a RX 7800XT.

Was there a mistake ? To be honest I don't check about AMD much usually so I don't know. Where was it wrong ? TPU is usually very reliable so yes, I do have high hopes, although again, I don't expect the numbers to be right already, especially for consoles, those numbers are harder to get.

Now regarding equivalent PC price, let me give you my opinion (I know you're not answering me). I kinda agree with you on some parts, and not on others.
First I agree Linux gaming isn't the easy the way to say the least so I would agree it's not exactly the recommended gaming experience, and this would give the Playstation 5 advantages over it such as ease of use.
Regarding Windows licenses, nowadays less and less people buy it full price imo, at least since "Windows as a service" is a thing and we get free updates for Windows. On paper you're right and it's not totally legal but come on, it's more grey than totally black, at least for the end user.
WiFi 7... That's obviously a bit ridiculous... It's a freaking desktop gaming PC, you don't connect with Wifi... At the very least you should give up on Wifi 7 and accept Wifi 6.
With a well balanced gaming PC, you don't usually get CPU bottleneck before 120 fps imo.
700$ PC close to a PS5 Pro seems really hard to achieve without really good discounts imo, but I don't live in the US so I can't say for sure. I would say it's more like 900$ maybe ? Whatever, I don't think we need that much precision, the PC price will decrease more than the PS5 Pro anyway. The point for me is that it's not too far. In the past it used to be like double the price for PC gaming, now it's not the case anymore and one may consider it since we can do more on a PC. But of course I can understand people who still prefer the console. It's not my case though.

 

[Marcus L]

Seriously the last 2 pages of this thread are a train wreck, you guys need to take it to DM instead of arguing the same points over and over again, can't believe I wasted minutes of my life going through them hoping there was some constructive comments and not the same two counter arguments back and forth, alas I was disappointed..

 

[TokyoQuaSaR]

5) Bro, you obviously have a motive and ignore that the fact that you can find Windows Keys for sale that's NOT STOLEN and again that you refuse to say...WHERE AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY ARE STOLEN?!?!? How DO YOU KNOW they are from unused education institutional codes? DO THEY TELL YOU WHEN YOU BUY IT? DO THEY TELL YOU WHERE THEY GO IT FROM? DO THEY TELL YOU THEY STOLE IT?? HOW DO YOU KNOW???? All you said is cheap Windows keys are illegal. So if I go to Newegg.com and buy Windows 10 for $50 when it originally was $120 for the basic version and $200 for the pro version, IS THAT STILL ILLEGAL??? GROUPON(a legit site) has Windows 10 keys for $15 dollars RIGHT NOW! Is that ILLEGAL? If so, then Microsoft should go after GROUPON(they are not)

Agree on this one. Those cheap keys might not be very legal on the reseller's side. I'm not sure if the reseller doesn't risk anything, but I am pretty sure it's legally totally fine for the end user, there is no risk for him. And if it was that illegal for the reseller, MS would go after them, and they apparently don't. In anyway it's fine for the end user.

 

[alawadhi3000]

No he is not. There is FSR3, which wasn't present in the original PS5. That's definitely a way for games running at 30fps to run at 60fps while having only +45% rendering perf increase.

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Double the framerate without frame generation, BTW frame generation is present on the PS5 and is used in Black Myth: Wukong for example.

Come on you are the one arguing we have those numbers, why should I be the one searching for it ? As far as I'm concerned, I'm totally fine with waiting for the actual test of the PS5 Pro after its release.

Because it will save us a lot of time and space if you'd just google the obvious things instead of asking for it tens of times, its not hard.

Was there a mistake ? To be honest I don't check about AMD much usually so I don't know. Where was it wrong ? TPU is usually very reliable so yes, I do have high hopes, although again, I don't expect the numbers to be right already, especially for consoles, those numbers are harder to get.

For starter the number of transistors is wrong, 28.1M is for the GCD transistors only, not the sum of both GCD and MCD transistors like the page says, I've emailed them about it a few months ago and they didn't correct it, while I do appreciate the efforts that goes in doing a GPU and SSD database, you should't treat them as citable source.

Regarding Windows licenses, nowadays less and less people buy it full price imo, at least since "Windows as a service" is a thing and we get free updates for Windows. On paper you're right and it's not totally legal but come on, it's more grey than totally black, at least for the end user.

Its not grey, its black, its illegal, those key reselling site hides those facts from the buyer.

WiFi 7... That's obviously a bit ridiculous... It's a freaking desktop gaming PC, you don't connect with Wifi... At the very least you should give up on Wifi 7 and accept Wifi 6.

Don't want to go into details on why WIFI 7 is much better but WIFI 6 or WIFI 7 both should cost the same or at least similar on a PC, so it doesn't affect the end price of PC anyway.

With a well balanced gaming PC, you don't usually get CPU bottleneck before 120 fps imo.
700$ PC close to a PS5 Pro seems really hard to achieve without really good discounts imo, but I don't live in the US so I can't say for sure. I would say it's more like 900$ maybe ?

Configured one on PCPartpicker and at $1020 it was still missing a Gamepad and OS.

 

[TokyoQuaSaR]

PS5 Pro Technical Presentation hosted by Mark Cerny

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Double the framerate without frame generation, BTW frame generation is present on the PS5 and is used in Black Myth: Wukong for example.

I wasn't even mentioning frame generation but FSR (or PSSR) as a whole. And could you be nice and give the exact minute he says that ?

Because it will save us a lot of time and space if you'd just google the obvious things instead of asking for it tens of times, its not hard.

If it's a point you make, you give the source, that's argumentation 101...

For starter the number of transistors is wrong, 28.1M is for the GCD transistors only, not the sum of both GCD and MCD transistors like the page says, I've emailed them about it a few months ago and they didn't correct it, while I do appreciate the efforts that goes in doing a GPU and SSD database, you should't treat them as citable source.

Actually all the sources I see about this chip mentions 28.1B transistors but whatever. And I don't see where they say it's both for GCD and MCD. That's really not a big deal to be honest, transistor count doesn't matter much anyway, except if you want to talk about the process, and in this case you want to talk about chips separately.

Its not grey, its black, its illegal, those key reselling site hides those facts from the buyer.

As a matter of fact these resellers stay alive, and the buyer is not responsible for that anyway. I did read about it before, and all the sources I checked said it was at worst grey for the buyer, and there was almost no chance to have legal problems about it if you are an individual.

Don't want to go into details on why WIFI 7 is much better but WIFI 6 or WIFI 7 both should cost the same or at least similar on a PC, so it doesn't affect the end price of PC anyway.

The problem is that it prevents you from buying "old" AM4 motherboards with Wifi, so it does affect the price.

Configured one on PCPartpicker and at $1020 it was still missing a Gamepad and OS.

That's plausible indeed.

 

[alawadhi3000]

I wasn't even mentioning frame generation but FSR (or PSSR) as a whole. And could you be nice and give the exact minute he says that ?

You said FSR3, FSR3 means frame generation, FSR2 upscaling is available on the PS5 as well.

Actually all the sources I see about this chip mentions 28.1B transistors but whatever. And I don't see where they say it's both for GCD and MCD. That's really not a big deal to be honest, transistor count doesn't matter much anyway, except if you want to talk about the process, and in this case you want to talk about chips separately.

Because the sources you use are typical copy-pasters with no brain, you can look at 7900XT/XTX density and compare since both are using TSMC's 5nm for the GCD, then you'll know its wrong.

As a matter of fact these resellers stay alive, and the buyer is not responsible for that anyway. I did read about it before, and all the sources I checked said it was at worst grey for the buyer, and there was almost no chance to have legal problems about it if you are an individual.

You can pirate as well and get it for free, no one will know, it doesn't make it okay, also since you accepted the terms of services then its your responsibility as well.

The problem is that it prevents you from buying "old" AM4 motherboards with Wifi, so it does affect the price.

You know that buying an old AM4 board and adding a ~$30 WIFI card is usually cheaper than buying an AM4 WIFI board right?

 

[TokyoQuaSaR]

You said FSR3, FSR3 means frame generation, FSR2 upscaling is available on the PS5 as well.

FSR3 includes all, not only frame gen. Anyway, I still don't know what moment in the video you're talking about. I really don't think Mark Cerny contradicted himself but if you think so just go tell him I dunno...

Because the sources you use are typical copy-pasters with no brain, you can look at 7900XT/XTX density and compare since both are using TSMC's 5nm for the GCD, then you'll know its wrong.

It's not wrong, they just don't explicitly say it's for GCD only, no big deal here, doesn't make TPU not reliable just bc of that...

You can pirate as well and get it for free, no one will know, it doesn't make it okay, also since you accepted the terms of services then its your responsibility as well.

Except that it's really not the same level as piracy.

You know that buying an old AM4 board and adding a ~$30 WIFI card is usually cheaper than buying an AM4 WIFI board right?

Well it's not always true. For some motherboards sometimes the wifi version is the same price as the non wifi one. Also, wifi 7 cards are more expensive that wifi 6 where I am. I have a pretty good motherboard bought last year and it has Wifi 6E and 10GbE, and let's say I don't feel too bad about it not being Wifi 7...

 

[alawadhi3000]

FSR3 includes all, not only frame gen. Anyway, I still don't know what moment in the video you're talking about. I really don't think Mark Cerny contradicted himself but if you think so just go tell him I dunno...

Everything has to be spoonfed to you, the video in the link starts exactly where he said it, I'll move on.

It's not wrong, they just don't explicitly say it's for GCD only, no big deal here, doesn't make TPU not reliable just bc of that...

The field "transistors" is for the total, GCD transistors has its own field which you can see if you check the 7900XT/XTX pages, so yes, its wrong.

Well it's not always true. For some motherboards sometimes the wifi version is the same price as the non wifi one. Also, wifi 7 cards are more expensive that wifi 6 where I am. I have a pretty good motherboard bought last year and it has Wifi 6E and 10GbE, and let's say I don't feel too bad about it not being Wifi 7...

Where you're at is irrevelent, the whole time we are talking USD. A WIFI 7 card can be had on Amazon for $33.

 

[TokyoQuaSaR]

Everything has to be spoonfed to you, the video in the link starts exactly where he said it, I'll move on.

Nope, the link doesn't have a time mark unfortunately. The thing is I did try to look for the sentence you implied, and I didn't find anything. Again if you're the one trying to make a point, you're supposed to make explicit references to your sources, I can't guess everything...

The field "transistors" is for the total, GCD transistors has its own field which you can see if you check the 7900XT/XTX pages, so yes, its wrong.

And this field is just not present in the 7800 XT ? Is it that much of a big deal ??

Where you're at is irrevelent, the whole time we are talking USD. A WIFI 7 card can be had on Amazon for $33.

Irrelevant ?... Whatever anyway, not that I care about a Wifi card...

 

[Gooigi's Ex]

Just came out? LOL, I had mine since July 2023, so thats over a year ago.
Just repeating the obvious until it hopefully (long shot, I know) sticks into your mind, PS5 Pro has WIFI7, your PS5 Pro equivalent PC must have it as well in order to be equivalent, common sense 101.


Flawed incomplete PC doesn't count as a PS5 Pro equivalent PC.

Buy the key and tell them to ship all original Microsoft packaging along with a new COA sticker, and you'll get your answer the hardway LOL.

PS4 can play Spiderman2? Thats just one example that puts your dumb logic out the window.

Outside the scope of our discussion Mr. goalpost guy, please stick to PC vs PS5 Pro at $700, also you still haven't taught us how you managed to play Spiderman2 on a PS4.

1) YES just came out. There were no(and still not enough) devices that takes advantage of Wi-fi 7 and slowly coming out. Again until you realize and STOP changing goal posts, Wifi-7 doesn't matter at all but you decided to include it because the PS5 Pro has it. PS5 Pro has it but most people DON'T have Wi-fi 7 routers. How is it hard for you to understand this? Does this answer your question? Common knowledge and the fact YOU have one and commenting on a website that's FOR ENTHUSIATSTS. Again you have a motive and you are using in a non relevant conversation. And again, if we were going with that route you have to add the cost the router as part of that...or forget all that and just use ETHERNET...

2) So you admit you don't have one and instead commenting as flawed PC but don't say the reason why it's flawed and don't provide any evidence...I rest my case on that as you are just lying at this point and have nothing to argue LMAO. Again, I provided the parts and they are available as new not used. you are more than welcome to provide flaws...or the lack rather

3) So caught up on Spider-Man 2 and you forgot the question that you asked.. let me remind you: "And I didn't realize that Spiderman2 and other PS5 only games can be played on the PS4, please teach all of us (And Sony as well) on how you managed to do this", God of War Ragnarök(PS5 and PS4), Horizon Zero Dawn(PS5 and PS4), Gran Turismo 7(PS5 and PS4), Ghost of Tsushima(Re-released on PS4 and Originally on PS4), Stray(PS5 and PS4), Spider-Man/Miles Morales(on PS4 and re-released on PS5), DEMON SOULS(LOL PS3 and then PS5), TLOU 1 AND 2(on PS4 and re-released on PS5). Capcom Fighting Game Collection 1 and 2 for BOTH PS4 and PS5. I know reading is so hard for you and research as well. Oh no.. Spider-Man 2 is not on PS4...vs 10 other games that are

4) I have been sticking to the conversation and you threw in nonsense to the argument. You still haven't shown the $1000 PC as I have shown the $700 PC and you picked at and provided no reasoning for the flaw and just trolling at this point.

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Double the framerate without frame generation, BTW frame generation is present on the PS5 and is used in Black Myth: Wukong for example.



Because it will save us a lot of time and space if you'd just google the obvious things instead of asking for it tens of times, its not hard.



For starter the number of transistors is wrong, 28.1M is for the GCD transistors only, not the sum of both GCD and MCD transistors like the page says, I've emailed them about it a few months ago and they didn't correct it, while I do appreciate the efforts that goes in doing a GPU and SSD database, you should't treat them as citable source.


Its not grey, its black, its illegal, those key reselling site hides those facts from the buyer.

Don't want to go into details on why WIFI 7 is much better but WIFI 6 or WIFI 7 both should cost the same or at least similar on a PC, so it doesn't affect the end price of PC anyway.

Configured one on PCPartpicker and at $1020 it was still missing a Gamepad and OS.

That's really funny because that's where I configured my PC part as well and manually added the OS that you can find for cheap and gamepads for PC can be found for $20 or $30 bucks. It really took this long for you to finally say your source of for your nonsense.

 

[alawadhi3000]

Nope, the link doesn't have a time mark unfortunately. The thing is I did try to look for the sentence you implied, and I didn't find anything. Again if you're the one trying to make a point, you're supposed to make explicit references to your sources, I can't guess everything...

~4:10

And this field is just not present in the 7800 XT ? Is it that much of a big deal ??

Yes.

1) YES just came out. There were no(and still not enough) devices that takes advantage of Wi-fi 7 and slowly coming out. Again until you realize and STOP changing goal posts, Wifi-7 doesn't matter at all but you decided to include it because the PS5 Pro has it. PS5 Pro has it but most people DON'T have Wi-fi 7 routers. How is it hard for you to understand this? Does this answer your question? Common knowledge and the fact YOU have one and commenting on a website that's FOR ENTHUSIATSTS. Again you have a motive and you are using in a non relevant conversation. And again, if we were going with that route you have to add the cost the router as part of that...or forget all that and just use ETHERNET...

PS5 Pro has WIFI 7, your "equivalent PC" must have WIFI 7, simple isn't it?

2) So you admit you don't have one and instead commenting as flawed PC but don't say the reason why it's flawed and don't provide any evidence...I rest my case on that as you are just lying at this point and have nothing to argue LMAO. Again, I provided the parts and they are available as new not used. you are more than welcome to provide flaws...or the lack rather

LOL I replied on why its flawed in a detailed manner, if you can't read or comprehended thats not my problem.

3) So caught up on Spider-Man 2 and you forgot the question that you asked.. let me remind you: "And I didn't realize that Spiderman2 and other PS5 only games can be played on the PS4, please teach all of us (And Sony as well) on how you managed to do this", God of War Ragnarök(PS5 and PS4), Horizon Zero Dawn(PS5 and PS4), Gran Turismo 7(PS5 and PS4), Ghost of Tsushima(Re-released on PS4 and Originally on PS4), Stray(PS5 and PS4), Spider-Man/Miles Morales(on PS4 and re-released on PS5), DEMON SOULS(LOL PS3 and then PS5), TLOU 1 AND 2(on PS4 and re-released on PS5). Capcom Fighting Game Collection 1 and 2 for BOTH PS4 and PS5. I know reading is so hard for you and research as well. Oh no.. Spider-Man 2 is not on PS4...vs 10 other games that are

Still waiting on how to play Spiderman2 on PS4.

4) I have been sticking to the conversation and you threw in nonsense to the argument. You still haven't shown the $1000 PC as I have shown the $700 PC and you picked at and provided no reasoning for the flaw and just trolling at this point.

read previous replies and when you finish go back and read them again, hopefully you'll understand this time.

That's really funny because that's where I configured my PC part as well and manually added the OS that you can find for cheap and gamepads for PC can be found for $20 or $30 bucks. It really took this long for you to finally say your source of for your nonsense.

Add whatever you like, its still going to be a $1000+ PC if configured correctly, LOL.

 

[f0ssile]

PS5 Pro has WIFI 7, your "equivalent PC" must have WIFI 7, simple isn't it?

No, it's not simple, it's stupid. You don't decide the terms of the comparison, it's not that the PC becomes crippled because what it can do more must not be considered.
Just like that, just to make the dull fanboy of the moment convenient.

The comparison should not be made with the funnel towards your beloved PS5. Use that logic when you play with console fan friends.
You lack the philological basis of the word comparison.

Stop talking nonsense, or rather only with the sense of the fanboy.

 

[TokyoQuaSaR]

~4:10

Thank you.
@4:05 "And with the big 3 involved, the results can be pretty amazing, with graphics showing something like, fidelity levels of details, but with double the frame rate". So yes he says "double the frame rate", but the conditions are "fidelity levels of details", which must be something close to the quality of the fidelity mode of the PS5, but probably not exactly, else he wouldn't use that wording, and we can imagine it might be due to PSSR. And above all, and that's the main point here, he explicitly says it involves all the 3 fields of improvement of the PS5 Pro. He defined beforehand (@3:11) that the big 3 are : the larger GPU, advanced ray tracing and AI driven upscaling. He explicitly says each are much better with the PS5 Pro. So with all combined it can double the frame rate (which implies that's when using RT and PSSR since he says it involves all 3).

So no he didn't contradict himself, he just didn't limit his speech to pure rendering, which was the subject we were talking about. For pure rendering, those "up to +45%" are valid. So with that it mind, it means the PS5 GPU should be something that has similar rendering perfs as the RX 6800 (assuming the PS5 has similar perfs with the RX 6700), but with better upscaling and much better RT perfs (@3:36 "calculations of the rays at double or even triple the speed of the PS5"), hence able to double the frame rate in best case scenarios when everything comes into play.

To wrap this up, since RT is said to be much better, it should get it close (lower or higher we don't know, but close) to Nvidia levels in RT, with rendering power close to an RX 6800, that would mean somewhere between the 4060 Ti and the 4070. Imo, either in RT or non RT, it shouldn't be lower than the 4060 Ti, and shouldn't be higher than the 4070. And if we extrapolate a little bit, it could be close to a future 5060, which hopefully will cost less than 400$ and should be released before next summer. For now while the PS5 Pro is not cheap, it should have pretty decent perfs, but it will have to decrease its price next summer to compete with PCs. At least that's my guess about it, it's not sure science in this last part.

Yes.

Seriously ? Just because there is not a separate field for transistors of each chip it's not reliable ?? At most that's a lack of some minor details (arguably transistors are not a main concern for most people).

 

[goodeedidid]

Meh,

Did you notice emphasis on WE developed... instead we asked AMD... it ain't a humble thing to do.

Sony should have built their own fab to produce their own chips for the PS5 WOW you're so smart and intelligent You should be Sony CEO

They're probably counting the theoretical limits.

And why do you think AMD's competing with Nvidia?

AMD Confirms Retreat from the Enthusiast GPU Segment, to Focus on Gaining Market-Share

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What AMD produces? You can answer this it's easy.

 

[Chomiq]

PS+ is required to do practically anything other than getting games to boot, let's be honest here. With a PC you spend more up front, but it's cheaper in the longer run and you have freedom and flexibility to enjoy the machine as you see fit.

PS+ is required to play online, I have both PS4 and PS5, never signed up for PS+.