ASUS ProArt X870 + AMD 9950X issue

[csendesmark]

Hello Forum,
I've just received the last piece for my rig upgrade.
ASUS ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI
AMD Ryzen 9 9950X with Be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 5
Kingston Fury - KF560C32RSK2-96 - 96GB (2x48GB) DDR5 6000MT/s CL32 FURY Renegade Silver/Black XMP
Seasonic 1300W 80+ Gold Prime

I did assemble these parts to test separately since the 9950X has integrated GPU in it.
Did all the things carefully and with precision.
When turned it on, the mainboard debug led told me that there is a DRAM error.
Then I tried to shuffle the RAM modules, solo run in different slots. Sadly nothing helped my cause.

Placed the CPU super carefully, since this is my first AM5 installation, pic before the cooler install.

And this is how ended:

Personally I don't think that both of the memory modules are wrong... really unlikely.
Will try to see if the CPU socket might caught a dust particle just before I put in the processor.
Also if I there is a problem with the CPU, the debug let shall tell it, before checking the DRAM status.

Any guess?

 

[londiste]

How long did you wait? Memory training or whatnot, it can take quite a few minutes to get through DRAM stage of booting.

 

[csendesmark]

Did not start a stopwatch, but I think I had waited minutes.
Edit:
Just reassembled the things, nothing suspicious with the socket.
Now will let it go for a little time

 

[Shou Miko]

How long did you wait? Memory training or whatnot, it can take quite a few minutes to get through DRAM stage of booting.

Usually I haven't on 3 different AM5 chipset seen DRAM status light up if the system was memory training.

Check if the system can post with 1 stick, if this still don't work try to reseat the cpu this works sometimes also when your M.2. ain't detected reseating just helps sometimes.

 

[Gigaherz]

Usually I haven't on 3 different AM5 chipset seen DRAM status light up if the system was memory training.

My B650 Livemixer did.

 

[Sarajiel]

Did not start a stopwatch, but I think I had waited minutes.

With 96GB, I'd easily expect 5 minutes for the first memory training after clear CMOS.

 

[Shou Miko]

My B650 Livemixer did.

My old Asus X670 didn't it just took a hell of long time memory training 32GB on every cold boot.

My current B650 doesn't have diagnostic leds only speaker output but never used it.

 

[csendesmark]

With 96GB, I'd easily expect 5 minutes for the first memory training after clear CMOS.

Okay, that is far longer what I used to...
My old i7 the original and gen3 i7 did a long start when been unplugged, but did not need minutes,
The AM4 3950X also starts up within seconds after a cold start even with 4×32GB RAM.

My old Asus X670 didn't it just took a hell of long time memory training 32GB on every cold boot.

How long?

Do I need this hassle with every first boot after having the rig unplugged?
Please don't say yes, this is silly.

 

[Shou Miko]

Okay, that is far longer what I used to...
My old i7 the original and gen3 i7 did a long start when been unplugged, but did not need minutes,
The AM4 3950X also starts up within seconds after a cold start even with 4×32GB RAM.

This was the first almost every reviewer stated when AM5 launched was the long memory training on a lot of boards some vendors are just faster than others and Asus ain't one of them.

How long?

Do I need this hassle with every first boot after having the rig unplugged?
Please don't say yes, this is silly.

I only have 32GB because it's enough but my old Asus X670 took about 1-2mins it felt longer because I was use to AM4 and still runs a old 8gen i5-8500T with 32GB of memory in my server.

 

[Sarajiel]

The AM4 3950X also starts up within seconds after a cold start even with 4×32GB RAM.

Welcome to DDR5

Just keep memory context restore (MCR) enabled, and it will boot quickly in the future.

 

[Shou Miko]

Welcome to DDR5

Just keep memory context restore (MCR) enabled, and it will boot quickly in the future.

I heard multiple people saying this should not be enabled on specific on Asus boards because it do more harm then good not sure if that's true.

I will confirm that AsRock for my B650 have this enabled by default and haven't really had hardware issue once, only software damn MS

 

[Sarajiel]

MCR should work fine on pretty much all newer AGESA versions, aka 1.1.7.x or higher. However, some boards had/have problems if power down was disabled at the same time, if I remember correctly.

There is also an option to reduce memory training runtime which should automatically activate, if an XMP or EXPO profile is enabled.

 

[ErikG]

ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI｜Motherboards｜ASUS Global

 

[Lost_Troll]

My B650 Livemixer did.

My ASRock Pro RS WiFi did as well.

It is nerve racking when you are a first time AM5 builder and have to sit for a few minutes with the DRAM light lit wondering if the system will ever post. I have found that the more ram you have, the longer the training time is for the ram. I do wish that the motherboard manufactures would blink the DRAM led while it is in training mode, this would at least tell you that it is doing something and not bricked.

As for having to do this again if the PC is unplugged, no you will not, but if you change ram or reset the bios, you will have to repeat the training process.

 

[csendesmark]

Thanks for the help guys!

Now some memory testing, but it is looking guuud

@ErikG Good call, upgraded it from some 3 months old (beta) BIOS

 

[Shou Miko]

My ASRock Pro RS WiFi did as well.

It is nerve racking when you are a first time AM5 builder and have to sit for a few minutes with the DRAM light lit wondering if the system will ever post. I have found that the more ram you have, the longer the training time is for the ram. I do wish that the motherboard manufactures would blink the DRAM led while it is in training mode, this would at least tell you that it is doing something and not bricked.

As for having to do this again if the PC is unplugged, no you will not, but if you change ram or reset the bios, you will have to repeat the training process.

On ASRock's own forum you can actually ask about if these things are possible.

I know from my old Z370 or was it Z390 Taichi board someone asked on their community forums if the leds could be turned off from the bios and ASRock actually implementer this into a beta bios and later into the official bios.

 

[ir_cow]

3-5 minutes is normal for dual-rank. Sadly that is how AMD rolls for this AM5 platform.

 

[csendesmark]

Hey again,
The first problem (my impatience/ inexperience with DDR5) is solved.
Now I checked and my rig after the replacement, and now only see 80% of my storage devices...
Yet my board is supporting:
2 x PCIe 5.0 x16 slots with Q-Release Slim (supports x16 or x8/x8** or x8/x4/x4 modes***)
*** PCIEX16(G5)_2 shares bandwidth with M.2_2 slot. When M.2_2 is enabled, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8, and PCIEX16(G5)_2 will run at x4. (not apply for me)
The second SSD in my AIC Adaptor is not showing up
PCIEX16(G5)_1 --> AMD RX 7900 XT @ 8×
PCIEX16(G5)_2 --> AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor with (@ only 4×???)
Kingston FURY Renegade NVMe 2TB (only this shows up) and Samsung 980PRO 2TB
Only the M.2_1 slot is occupied (Samsung 970PRO 512GB) from the m.2 slots.
The same exact "setup" was working flawlessly on my Gigabyte X570S AERO G.

Sadly in the BIOS there is no direct way to select x8/x4/x4 mode. And ASUS did not care to give user manual on a little booklet or upload any useful documentation.

Any advice how to set up this to see the second SSD in my m.2 card?

 

[dgianstefani]

Welcome to DDR5

Just keep memory context restore (MCR) enabled, and it will boot quickly in the future.

Welcome to AMD you mean.

MCR can cause instability.

It's better to just manually say set voltages and timings instead of making the BIOS determine them every time.

 

[csendesmark]

Welcome to AMD you mean.

MCR can cause instability.

It's better to just manually say set voltages and timings instead of making the BIOS determine them every time.

Yes, I am planning to do that, ...sometime later when I will get there.
For now it not a priority, the rig is working
Can we focus on my PCIe bifurcation question?

 

[Shou Miko]

Hey again,
The first problem (my impatience/ inexperience with DDR5) is solved.
Now I checked and my rig after the replacement, and now only see 80% of my storage devices...
Yet my board is supporting:
2 x PCIe 5.0 x16 slots with Q-Release Slim (supports x16 or x8/x8** or x8/x4/x4 modes***)
*** PCIEX16(G5)_2 shares bandwidth with M.2_2 slot. When M.2_2 is enabled, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8, and PCIEX16(G5)_2 will run at x4. (not apply for me)
The second SSD in my AIC Adaptor is not showing up
PCIEX16(G5)_1 --> AMD RX 7900 XT @ 8×
PCIEX16(G5)_2 --> AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor with (@ only 4×???)
Kingston FURY Renegade NVMe 2TB (only this shows up) and Samsung 980PRO 2TB
Only the M.2_1 slot is occupied (Samsung 970PRO 512GB) from the m.2 slots.
The same exact "setup" was working flawlessly on my Gigabyte X570S AERO G.

Sadly in the BIOS there is no direct way to select x8/x4/x4 mode. And ASUS did not care to give user manual on a little booklet or upload any useful documentation.
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Any advice how to set up this to see the second SSD in my m.2 card?

Asus' documentation for this board is a mess they only have the Quick Start Guide which is rubbish not a full manual.

But what I can piece together and understand is this:
PCIEX16(G5)_2 the pci-e slot in the middle shares bandwidth with the M.2_2 slot which forces the PCIEX16(G5)_2 port to go from x8 speed to x4 speed and on top of this when M.2_2 is used it forces PCIEX16_(G5)_1 to run at x8 because the PCIEX16(G5)_2 port requires x8 speed from the main PCIEX16(G5)_1 port.

So the above triggers x8/x4/x4 mode while if you only use PCIEX16(G5)_1 and PCIEX16(G5)_2 triggers x8/x8 mode from my understanding at least.

PCIEX16(G4) the lowest slot on the motherboard runs PCI-E 4.0 x16 slot runs at x4 speeds.


Board layout:

This is a totally messed up board layout, I am happy I dropped Asus for my personal computer after my X670 Prime board.

 

[csendesmark]

Got it,
You have to use the RAID MODE option for PCIEX16(G5)_2 - which is stupid...
I am not using raid at all, not even planning. Idiot naming

This is a totally messed up board layout, I am happy I dropped Asus for my personal computer after my X670 Prime board.

Completely disagree, This is one of the best boards out there for X670 and X870-s
Except for CHA_FAN1/2, those or one of those should be between DPIN_HDMI and CPU_12V_1
I am interested what is a great layout for a board of X670 and X870-s for you.

 

[ErikG]

I have ProArt x670E/7950x3d and working beautiful, good choice.

 

[Shou Miko]

Got it,
You have to use the RAID MODE option for PCIEX16(G5)_2 - which is stupid...
I am not using raid at all, not even planning. Idiot naming

Completely disagree, This is one of the best boards out there for X670 and X870-s
Except for CHA_FAN1/2, those or one of those should be between DPIN_HDMI and CPU_12V_1
I am interested what is a great layout for a board of X670 and X870-s for you.

It's Asus missing the documentation which makes it messed up.

It's not the boards fault it's creator didn't published the dokumentation

 

[csendesmark]

It's Asus missing the documentation which makes it messed up.

One was about missing documentation and messed up naming convention in the BIOS, which could be "easily" fixed

It's not the boards fault it's creator didn't published the dokumentation

The other it about the physical layout of the board, which is optimal in my board's case.

I am still curious what is wrong with the new ProArt X870E, according to you.