Tripping into AM5 X670e (maybe)

[Frick]

So a friend wants to sell me a MSI x670E Gaming Plus Wifi, brand new. He managed to break of the PCIe locking thingy when installing the GPU, otherwise it's fine (this is a highly trusted friend btw). It'll cost basically what I get for selling the current motheboard/CPU/RAM*, leaving "only" a need for CPU and RAM (7600 and whatever 6000Mhz sticks I find). I sort of really don't want to upgrade all of that, but I also really want a better motherboard, and also an x3d but that is far away. Is there talk of like a 7700X3D or something? The 7800X3D is ungodly expensive.

Reading the specs the four M2 slots and four SATA slots does not appear to share bandwidth with anything, which is a plus. The downside is of course the want for more NVMe drives will go up, plus that weird deformed baby looks like it's winking at me. Thankfully I don't have any transparent stuff in my case and it's on the floor anyway.

So I dunno. It's probably not a bad idea to upgrade (plus a relative buys the old stuff on the cheap and he really needs it, he's on like a i7 2700k atm), but I'm also not into spending money atm. I'm inching towards buying it.

I didn't know there were two X670 chipsets BTW, x670e is apparently for "ultra-high performance overclocking" which seems like a contradiction to me, but I digress.

*Asrock B450M-HDV, Ryzen 5600, 32GB Kingston Fury the cheapest kit avaliable

 

[Blaeza]

I say do it! A bargain is a bargain and you are on the AM5 bandwagon ready for a 9700X3D. And your mate isn't 12 years out of date.

 

[Bill_Bright]

(this is a highly trusted friend btw).

Never do business with friends or family.

Highly trusted or not, something totally unexpected and unforeseen could go wrong. There may be more damage to the board than your friend is aware of. Something might happen to the board between his possession and yours. One of you might unknowingly zap it with ESD.

Will you demand your money back? Will he refuse to give it back? Will he resent you [forever] for asking?

 

[SL2]

Is there talk of like a 7700X3D or something? The 7800X3D is ungodly expensive.

There are rumors about a 6 core 9600X3D coming out pretty soon. A rumor yeah.

Why does he want to sell it?

Pruta!

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I have this same board. I also have broken the PCI-E locking thingy when installing a GPu.

Its a good board for sure but im not sure if it holds up with overclocking because 7800X3Ds cant really be overclocked and those chips are super power efficient anyway.

If you are going to go ahead with the purchase. I would buy some 1mm thermal pads for your M.2 SSDs because the stock thermal pads on the back of the MSI heatsinks barely touch the SSDs. The design is just terrible and their EZ M.2 Clip is garbage and could cause some issues if youre running an SSD with an aftermarket heatsink. (Dont scrape the stock grey thermal pads off just put the new pad ontop of the old. It will still drop temps by 10-20'c on the SSD controller)

 

[kapone32]

"I didn't know there were two X670 chipsets BTW, x670e is apparently for "ultra-high performance overclocking" which seems like a contradiction to me, but I digress."

One has an extra chipset. X670E one does not X670. That means extra USB ports and headers with no SATA sharing with PCIe.

 

[datnoz]

"I didn't know there were two X670 chipsets BTW, x670e is apparently for "ultra-high performance overclocking" which seems like a contradiction to me, but I digress."

One has an extra chipset. X670E one does not X670. That means extra USB ports and headers with no SATA sharing with PCIe.

Both have the dual southbridge function, BTW it's just two b650 (prom21) chained toghether.
Maybe your mind swapped the 6xx lineup with the 8xx, if it's that then u right.

 

[Frick]

Never do business with friends or family.

Highly trusted or not, something totally unexpected and unforeseen could go wrong. There may be more damage to the board than your friend is aware of. Something might happen to the board between his possession and yours. One of you might unknowingly zap it with ESD.

Will you demand your money back? Will he refuse to give it back? Will he resent you [forever] for asking?

This really depends on exactly what is understood and the people involved. This guy? We're cool no matter what happens in this transaction.

Why does he want to sell it?

Pruta!

*reasons*

I have this same board. I also have broken the PCI-E locking thingy when installing a GPu.

Its a good board for sure but im not sure if it holds up with overclocking because 7800X3Ds cant really be overclocked and those chips are super power efficient anyway.

If you are going to go ahead with the purchase. I would buy some 1mm thermal pads for your M.2 SSDs because the stock thermal pads on the back of the MSI heatsinks barely touch the SSDs. The design is just terrible and their EZ M.2 Clip is garbage and could cause some issues if youre running an SSD with an aftermarket heatsink. (Dont scrape the stock grey thermal pads off just put the new pad ontop of the old. It will still drop temps by 10-20'c on the SSD controller)

Ohh thanks. I'm not getting a 7800x3d, I'm getting a 7600. Will probably not overclock anyway, because getting 5.4Ghz instead of just 5.1Ghz just doesn't feel like overclocking to me. That's what you could do with a Pentium II! "With a decent AIO I feel you can probably get another 100 MHz, maybe more if you win the silicon lottery." I mean why even bother.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

9600X with DDR5 6000 with that XFX6950 should give you a very decent all around performance uplift. This will be At least 40% and higher uplift from your current setup. You will for sure, notice, see, and or feel a difference. How ever you want to put it. I think it's totally worth a few hundred bucks minus the sale of your current gear (if you do sell it). The GPU will heartily thank you.

My 2 pennies.

 

[Frick]

9600X with DDR5 6000 with that XFX6950 should give you a very decent all around performance uplift. This will be At least 40% and higher uplift from your current setup. You will for sure, notice, see, and or feel a difference. How ever you want to put it. I think it's totally worth a few hundred bucks minus the sale of your current gear (if you do sell it). The GPU will heartily thank you.

My 2 pennies.

The 9600x alone isn't much more than the 7600 + 32GB RAM. I was going to say that it's probably not worth it but then I saw this:

I really wish w1z would include tests from a Paradox game, or some other simulation game, because I have a feel they might really like the single threaded performance in Zen5.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

The 9600x alone isn't much more than the 7600 + 32GB RAM. I was going to say that it's probably not worth it but then I saw this:

I really wish w1z would include tests from a Paradox game, or some other simulation game, because I have a feel they might really like the single threaded performance in Zen5.

I didnt try and compare a 7600 to a 9600 because you don't have a 7600 and won't know the difference. So I thought to compare the 9600 to a 5600 for the difference.

Could always play the waiting game for 9600X sales or combo deals too!!

 

[Frick]

I didnt try and compare a 7600 to a 9600 because you don't have a 7600 and won't know the difference. So I thought to compare the 9600 to a 5600 for the difference.

Could always play the waiting game for 9600X sales or combo deals too!!

It'll be an upgrade either way, but if it's worth it to spend the extra money on a 9600x it would be nice to know before I pull the plug.

 

[kapone32]

If I upgrade the choice is between the 7600 and 9600x.

This could influence your choice.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

If I upgrade the choice is between the 7600 and 9600x.

From what I can tell feom various sites and testing, the 9600X has the potential to be 15 % faster than the 7600.

 

[Frick]

From what I can tell feom various sites and testing, the 9600X has the potential to be 15 % faster than the 7600.

Yeah, "potential" though. I'll likely get the 9600x, but it would be nice to see actual numbers before buying.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Yeah, "potential" though. I'll likely get the 9600x, but it would be nice to see actual numbers before buying.

Wish I had the platform to help with that, but unfortunately, I do not. But knowing what you have, cause I have similar (5600G in kids rig) he's only running a RX 6700 XT. And it seems balanced except when he needs IPC for games like BeamNGDrive when he spawns a bunch of AI cars.

 

[Frick]

Trying to look for more stuff about performance in updated Windows 11, for 9xxx CPUs, and I really hate how I have to watch a video to look at a graph, a video with an image of a graph and either looping music OR a guy reading what the image says. I hate everything so much.

Anyway still nothing, but leaning towards getting the motherboard and the 9600x. The 9800x3d is supposedly out soon-ish, if that one is earth shattering and sensibly priced I might honestly consider it.

 

[SL2]

It's hard to justify the 9600X in SE right now, IMO. I'd personally go for a 7500F or a 7700.

 

[dgianstefani]

Go for it, I'd avoid buying vanilla Zen 4 though, X3D or Zen 5 (or both).

The main drawback of Zen is the latency issues from chiplets without an interposer. RAM speed can't make up for this unfortunately, so the X3D cache is pretty necessary unless you're a fan of stuttering.

 

[Frick]

Go for it, I'd avoid buying vanilla Zen 4 though, X3D or Zen 5 (or both).

The main drawback of Zen is the latency issues from chiplets without an interposer. RAM speed can't make up for this unfortunately, so the X3D cache is pretty necessary unless you're a fan of stuttering.

It's hard to justify the 9600X in SE right now, IMO. I'd personally go for a 7500F or a 7700.

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The main reason I'm leaning Zen5 is the image I posted above, with MS Flight Sim. I don't play that game specifically, bit I do play other more simulation style games that normally benefit from good single core performance. I'd be very interested to know how say late game Farthest Frontier performs on a 9600x vs a 7700x. I could just go for 7800x3d but a) that is a massive jump in cost and b)zen5 X3Ds should come soon.

 

[SL2]

Then there's the rumored 9600X3D that's supposed to launch globally. The question is if it's true, and if so, when. I'd guess next year.

 

[Frick]

It hath arrived. Other bits arrive next week, CPU I don't know. Instead of the 9600x I got the 7600 and a 1TB Kingston KC3000. Might get the 9600x3d when it comes out and it seems like a sane thing. @FreedomEclipse Got a thermal pad from Coolsierra.com for the SSDs, EC360 Gold.

 

[eidairaman1]

It hath arrived. Other bits arrive next week, CPU I don't know. Instead of the 9600x I got the 7600 and a 1TB Kingston KC3000. Might get the 9600x3d when it comes out and it seems like a sane thing. @FreedomEclipse Got a thermal pad from Coolsierra.com for the SSDs, EC360 Gold.

At least you can verify it will post. In 21 when i got a 5800 that was advertised as a 5800x i took it to microcenter to have it post checked (damage their motherboard, not mine) and it certainly was a 5800 and not a x model, i got $100 back after threatening the seller for false advertising on ebay.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

It hath arrived. Other bits arrive next week, CPU I don't know. Instead of the 9600x I got the 7600 and a 1TB Kingston KC3000. Might get the 9600x3d when it comes out and it seems like a sane thing. @FreedomEclipse Got a thermal pad from Coolsierra.com for the SSDs, EC360 Gold.

When setting up. you're most likely going to need to do a 'flashback' bios update (or whatever MSI use for blind flashing) via the button press on the back of the I/O shield. The board I received wouldnt run my 7800X3D until I did which was rather unexpected as I thought It would have been perfect right out of the box.

Second thing is. Every 8-10+ cold boots. it will go through some sort of memory check or 'recalibration' where the CPU and DRAM LEDs are lit up and nothing comes on the screen but if you give it a minute it will eventually boot as normal and the LEDs go away.... Until the next time it needs to do this. Im not sure if its a bug with the bios itself (I havent updated to the most latest one) but the first time this happened to me. I shit an absolute brick because it happened not long after my 7800XT died. I genuinely thought my PC was absolutely cooked. ---- Im not saying that you'll come across the same issue but just letting you know its there, its a thing and it might happen to you and not to panic.

 

[Frick]

When setting up. you're most likely going to need to do a 'flashback' bios update (or whatever MSI use for blind flashing) via the button press on the back of the I/O shield. The board I received wouldnt run my 7800X3D until I did which was rather unexpected as I thought It would have been perfect right out of the box.

Second thing is. Every 8-10+ cold boots. it will go through some sort of memory check or 'recalibration' where the CPU and DRAM LEDs are lit up and nothing comes on the screen but if you give it a minute it will eventually boot as normal and the LEDs go away.... Until the next time it needs to do this. Im not sure if its a bug with the bios itself (I havent updated to the most latest one) but the first time this happened to me. I shit an absolute brick because it happened not long after my 7800XT died. I genuinely thought my PC was absolutely cooked. ---- Im not saying that you'll come across the same issue but just letting you know its there, its a thing and it might happen to you and not to panic.

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The board was used with a 7800x3d up until last week, so it should boot fine. Thanks for the warning about the RAM! Will update BIOS in any case