The MSI MPG X870E Carbon Wi-Fi sits between more affordable X870E options and enthusiast boards, striking a good balance of features with great cooling, plenty of USB ports and a solid EFI.
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System Name | Kincsem |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 9950X |
Motherboard | ASUS ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI |
Cooling | Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 5 |
Memory | Kingston Fury KF560C32RSK2-96 (2×48GB 6GHz) |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire AMD RX 7900 XT Pulse |
Storage | Samsung 970PRO 500GB + Samsung 980PRO 2TB + FURY Renegade 2TB+ Adata 2TB + WD Ultrastar HC550 16TB |
Display(s) | Acer QHD 27"@144Hz 1ms + UHD 27"@60Hz |
Case | Cooler Master CM 690 III |
Power Supply | Seasonic 1300W 80+ Gold Prime |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Hero |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy Elite RGB |
Software | Windows 10-64 |
Benchmark Scores | https://valid.x86.fr/ilvewh https://valid.x86.fr/4d8n02 X570 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/g46uc |
System Name | Personal computers |
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Processor | Ryzen 7000, 8000 & 9000 series |
Motherboard | 3 x B650 boards |
Cooling | Deep Cool, Cooler Master, Thermal take & Stock air coolers |
Memory | 5 kits of DDR5 - G.Skill Flare X5, Team T-Create, Adata, XPG Lancer & Patriot Viper |
Video Card(s) | Asus TUF gaming RX 7900 XTX OC edition / iGPUs |
Storage | 5 x 1TB + 1 x 2TB M.2 NVME PCIe 4.0 - different brands |
Display(s) | 34 " / 32" / 27" LCDs |
Case | MSI MPG Sekira 100R / Silverstone Redline mATX / Antec C8 |
Audio Device(s) | Asus Xonar AE 7.1 + Logitech Z906 / Onboard + Creative 2.1 soundbar |
Power Supply | Corsair RM1000x V2 / Corsair RM750x V2 / Thermaltake 650W GF1 |
Mouse | MSI Clutch GM20 Elite / CM Reaper / |
Keyboard | Logitech G512 Carbon / MSI G30 Vigor / Ttesports Challenger Duo |
Actully, all X870 performs on similar level, and between cheap boards, X870-P is the best. So, what is said for Carbon is actually correct for each X870 board.This board is an overpriced underperformer with the current AGESA, MSI's low end Pro X870-P Wifi board offered the same general performance according to a wrap up of X870(E) boards from Techspot for about half the cost!
System Name | Very old, but all I've got ® |
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Processor | So old, you don't wanna know... Really! |
Not to mention the HDMI 2.1 is useless under Linux environment, anyway. It's been recklessly pushed down everyone's throat since 2006, with everything must have had HDCP, along with ROHS one, or it won't sell. Must have been the deal between Wintel cartel, and movie companies. A couple years later, the Display Port have come, and kicked HDMI in it's fat ar$e.I won't buy a mainboard with HDMI connectors and no DP connectors. I do not intend to buy more cables just for a display. The common connectors from a graphic card to a display is Displayport, not HDMI, not USB-C, not DVI, not VGA. This is my base requirement. Before I even look in the mainboard manual, the brand or the price.
System Name | Kincsem |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 9950X |
Motherboard | ASUS ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI |
Cooling | Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 5 |
Memory | Kingston Fury KF560C32RSK2-96 (2×48GB 6GHz) |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire AMD RX 7900 XT Pulse |
Storage | Samsung 970PRO 500GB + Samsung 980PRO 2TB + FURY Renegade 2TB+ Adata 2TB + WD Ultrastar HC550 16TB |
Display(s) | Acer QHD 27"@144Hz 1ms + UHD 27"@60Hz |
Case | Cooler Master CM 690 III |
Power Supply | Seasonic 1300W 80+ Gold Prime |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Hero |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy Elite RGB |
Software | Windows 10-64 |
Benchmark Scores | https://valid.x86.fr/ilvewh https://valid.x86.fr/4d8n02 X570 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/g46uc |
Well, if you already have an X670(X) there is no need to upgrade to theThank you for the review. It seems i have to wait for the next generation after that X870 chipset generation for a proper AM5 mainboard.
I won't buy a mainboard with HDMI connectors and no DP connectors. I do not intend to buy more cables just for a display. The common connectors from a graphic card to a display is Displayport, not HDMI, not USB-C, not DVI, not VGA. This is my base requirement. Before I even look in the mainboard manual, the brand or the price.
This mainboard does in my point of view not support m2 NVME ssds with a preinstalled heatsink.
At the time i joined the desktop pc platform kinda late again, end of B550 - X570 era, most cheaper mainboards did not had on every m2 slot a preinstalled heatsink.
A big one heatsink for several m2 slots is bad. You need to remove the graphic card most likely to access those m2 ssds. I doubt the cooling performance is similar to a decent m2 cooler. Flat surface of this bad design vs a design with lots of surface in a small space. (e.g. Corsair mp 600 pro cooler (which I own))
I do expect for any pricepoint a notebook m2 WIFI card easy accessible by the user. Some ASROCK boards offer that feature.
If you start using the GPU too, those poor SSD will melt!
System Name | Kincsem |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 9950X |
Motherboard | ASUS ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI |
Cooling | Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 5 |
Memory | Kingston Fury KF560C32RSK2-96 (2×48GB 6GHz) |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire AMD RX 7900 XT Pulse |
Storage | Samsung 970PRO 500GB + Samsung 980PRO 2TB + FURY Renegade 2TB+ Adata 2TB + WD Ultrastar HC550 16TB |
Display(s) | Acer QHD 27"@144Hz 1ms + UHD 27"@60Hz |
Case | Cooler Master CM 690 III |
Power Supply | Seasonic 1300W 80+ Gold Prime |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Hero |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy Elite RGB |
Software | Windows 10-64 |
Benchmark Scores | https://valid.x86.fr/ilvewh https://valid.x86.fr/4d8n02 X570 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/g46uc |
63°C idle?View attachment 370488
I have this exact motherboard.
This is at full GPU/CPU and SSD load (look at max values, third column). Probably an unlikely scenario to be using CPU, GPU and SSDs fully loaded in parallel, but this is what it is. With only CPU/GPU load, drives idle at 55-60C and roughly 5C less at full idle.
Corsair MP700 PRO (PCIe 5) is in M1 slot (between GPU and CPU), Lexars NM790 (PCIe 4) are in slots M3 and M4 (under the GPU) Not using M2 as it shares bandwidth.
Custom radiator may fit in M1 slot depending on CPU cooler used. My Arctic Freezer AIO extends over the motherboard's SSD radiator (it is quite chunky) so no large SSD coolers will fit there.
Hope this is useful.
System Name | Donnager |
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Processor | 13900KS, lapped and contact frame |
Motherboard | Asus Z790 Hero |
Cooling | Heatkiller IV CPU block, Heatkiller V GPU block, GTX 480mm radiator, D5 pump |
Memory | 32GB Kingston Fury 7200C38 |
Video Card(s) | eVGA RTX 3080Ti FTW3 |
Storage | Optane 380GB M.2 OS drive, M.2 2TB game drive |
Display(s) | Alienware 34" Ultrawide 120Hz 3440x1440 |
Case | Fractal Meshify 2 XL |
Audio Device(s) | Outlaw RR2150 stereo receiver driving DIY kits, Schiit Asgard for Sennheiser HD6XX headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime 1000W |
Roughly 25 years ago, an IT teacher during a lesson on PC architecture said something along those lines: "The motherboard is nothing more than a bunch of wires on an FR4 substrate". This triggered a lengthy discussion on the roles of North Bridge, South Bridge, memory bus, I/O interfaces, voltage regulation and so on. This resonates until today. Some new gen features such as PCIe5.0, USB4, Wifi 7, 5Gbit LAN and gimmicks such as RGB fetch a hefty premium and will probably will be available on sub-$200 boards a few years down the line. For now, they come at a cost, but you can choose not to pay if not worth it to you.Since when people think that such horrible prices are ok?
What happened to the VRM temperature torture test graphs?
Looks like a nice board.
System Name | Very old, but all I've got ® |
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Processor | So old, you don't wanna know... Really! |
X670 rev2 implies an improvement, an upgrade upon the existing product. In case of X870 it's complete, an utter disgrace. This is a spit in the face of consumers and customers. Not only because there's no improvements, but even the reverse- it's inferior SKU, which doesn't even correspond to the X*70 class. Heck, even X870E motherboards are inferior to X670E ones, not only due to the prices inflated by USB4 tax, by by more dumb layout, and even bigger "corner cuttings".Well, if you already have an X670(X) there is no need to upgrade to theX670 rev2, I mean X870
System Name | Kincsem |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 9950X |
Motherboard | ASUS ProArt X870E-CREATOR WIFI |
Cooling | Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 5 |
Memory | Kingston Fury KF560C32RSK2-96 (2×48GB 6GHz) |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire AMD RX 7900 XT Pulse |
Storage | Samsung 970PRO 500GB + Samsung 980PRO 2TB + FURY Renegade 2TB+ Adata 2TB + WD Ultrastar HC550 16TB |
Display(s) | Acer QHD 27"@144Hz 1ms + UHD 27"@60Hz |
Case | Cooler Master CM 690 III |
Power Supply | Seasonic 1300W 80+ Gold Prime |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Hero |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy Elite RGB |
Software | Windows 10-64 |
Benchmark Scores | https://valid.x86.fr/ilvewh https://valid.x86.fr/4d8n02 X570 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/g46uc |
The one I picked is better than any of the X670(X) or other X870(X) for my use-case - suggested by the ProArt name.X670 rev2 implies an improvement, an upgrade upon the existing product. In case of X870 it's complete, an utter disgrace. This is a spit in the face of consumers and customers. Not only because there's no improvements, but even the reverse- it's inferior SKU, which doesn't even correspond to the X*70 class. Heck, even X870E motherboards are inferior to X670E ones, not only due to the prices inflated by USB4 tax, by by more dumb layout, and even bigger "corner cuttings".
Many people had hopes, that this time, AMD might get their sh*t together, and roll out the decent products, with the issues removed, and an architecture/platform finally ironed out. But this 800 series (Promontory 21) is just an embarassement of the decade. Heck, the RD580+SB600 almost two decades ago, had more lanes and better layout, than this abomination.
AMD might does great stuff. But their flops are two steps back, with one step forward with their advancements. They decided to play nVidia's SKU juggling game with GPUs, but it have hit them instead. So, instead of making the correct conclusions, they thought this is fine, and proceeded to shot their other foot instead, by juggling/inflating the motherboard chipset SKUs.
THis is just mind boggling. The company, that has so much success and possibilities, intentionally, or by own stupidity, hurts itself, and throwing away the chances, left and right. Instead of using the momentum, and intel flop after flop, for the last several years, AMD simply sabotaging itself, each time with even bigger variety of mistakes.
For years I've been supporting AMD. But their actions just please nobody, except their board and investors. This is't a friendly company anymore.
System Name | Very old, but all I've got ® |
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Processor | So old, you don't wanna know... Really! |
It's even a bigger scam, considering CPU's now can't OC well, so there's no need in hundreds Amps gazillion phases. And if these motherboard vendors will remove all the proprietary RGB/ARGB gimmicks and garbage, (which still is not unified, and is incompatible between RGB useless trash of other MB makers) they will left with pants down. There would be nothing to artificially infate the prices, since the cheap industrial motherboards are as capable as the "gamer" MBs, that cost as much as Threadripper ones.Roughly 25 years ago, an IT teacher during a lesson on PC architecture said something along those lines: "The motherboard is nothing more than a bunch of wires on an FR4 substrate". This triggered a lengthy discussion on the roles of North Bridge, South Bridge, memory bus, I/O interfaces, voltage regulation and so on. This resonates until today. Some new gen features such as PCIe5.0, USB4, Wifi 7, 5Gbit LAN and gimmicks such as RGB fetch a hefty premium and will probably will be available on sub-$200 boards a few years down the line. For now, they come at a cost, but you can choose not to pay if not worth it to you.
I only have an 9700x on PBO, but never saw VRM temps exceed 55-60C range on OCCT testing.
Different reviewer I switched to system memoryWhat happened to the VRM temperature torture test graphs?
Looks like a nice board.
Processor | Core i7-12700 |
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Motherboard | MSI B660 MAG Mortar |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | G.Skill Ripjaws V 64GB (4x16) DDR4-3600 CL16 @ 3466 MT/s |
Video Card(s) | AMD RX 6800 |
Storage | Too many to list, lol |
Display(s) | Gigabyte M27Q |
Case | Fractal Design Define R5 |
Power Supply | Corsair RM750x |
Mouse | Too many to list, lol |
Keyboard | Keychron low profile |
Software | Fedora, Mint |
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If you start using the GPU too, those poor SSD will melt!
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System Name | Overkill |
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Processor | Intel 11700K |
Motherboard | MSI MAG B560 Tomahawk Wifi |
Cooling | Corsair H100i RGB PRO XT |
Memory | Crucial Ballistix 64 GB 3200 |
Video Card(s) | AMD RX 6800 Sapphire Nitro+ |
Storage | WD SN850 2 TB -- Solidigm P41 Plus 2 TB |
Display(s) | Asus VG259QM 1080p 240hz |
Case | Corsair 4000X |
Power Supply | Corsair RMX850 2021 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Hero |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 TKL |
Software | Windows 10 |
I think this is a bit hyperbolic :/X670 rev2 implies an improvement, an upgrade upon the existing product. In case of X870 it's complete, an utter disgrace. This is a spit in the face of consumers and customers. Not only because there's no improvements, but even the reverse- it's inferior SKU, which doesn't even correspond to the X*70 class. Heck, even X870E motherboards are inferior to X670E ones, not only due to the prices inflated by USB4 tax, by by more dumb layout, and even bigger "corner cuttings".
Many people had hopes, that this time, AMD might get their sh*t together, and roll out the decent products, with the issues removed, and an architecture/platform finally ironed out. But this 800 series (Promontory 21) is just an embarassement of the decade. Heck, the RD580+SB600 almost two decades ago, had more lanes and better layout, than this abomination.
AMD might does great stuff. But their flops are two steps back, with one step forward with their advancements. They decided to play nVidia's SKU juggling game with GPUs, but it have hit them instead. So, instead of making the correct conclusions, they thought this is fine, and proceeded to shot their other foot instead, by juggling/inflating the motherboard chipset SKUs.
This is just mind boggling. The company, that has so much success and possibilities, intentionally, or by own stupidity, hurts itself, and throwing away the chances, left and right. Instead of using the momentum, and intel flop after flop, for the last several years, AMD simply sabotaging itself, each time with even bigger variety of mistakes.
For years I've been supporting AMD. But their actions just please nobody, except their board and investors. This is't a friendly company anymore.
System Name | Very old, but all I've got ® |
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Processor | So old, you don't wanna know... Really! |
Completely agree, on both the chipset, and Tomahawk.I think this is a bit hyperbolic :/
The reason X870 exists is because B650E was probably a hard sell. High end buyers looked at X boards, midrange buyers looked at regular B650. This is actually the most worthwhile part of the refresh, motherboard vendors made decent boards with one P21 chipset.
Fundamentally, it doesn't matter how many chipsets a board has. They could have 10 P21 chips, but if they aren't utilized well then who cares. The gen 5 lane mandates for X870 ensure they are generally decent boards. I bought an X870 Tomahawk because for only a slight premium over similar X670E boards I get niceties like a post code and USB4. One less P21 chipset just means it's not consuming power, great!
System Name | Donnager |
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Processor | 13900KS, lapped and contact frame |
Motherboard | Asus Z790 Hero |
Cooling | Heatkiller IV CPU block, Heatkiller V GPU block, GTX 480mm radiator, D5 pump |
Memory | 32GB Kingston Fury 7200C38 |
Video Card(s) | eVGA RTX 3080Ti FTW3 |
Storage | Optane 380GB M.2 OS drive, M.2 2TB game drive |
Display(s) | Alienware 34" Ultrawide 120Hz 3440x1440 |
Case | Fractal Meshify 2 XL |
Audio Device(s) | Outlaw RR2150 stereo receiver driving DIY kits, Schiit Asgard for Sennheiser HD6XX headphones |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime 1000W |