AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D Stocks Vaporized in Retail, Being Scalped

[lepudruk]

I consider myself lucky cause I managed to get one piece yesterday evening (had to pay extra: 598$ instead of 574$ at release). Though what is happening with these prices is crazy - everyone seem to go nuts! When I checked hour ago the same retailer I bought from asks 636$ already..

 

[ThomasK]

Who's even considering the 14900K for a new system?

Sure, let your processor degrade and die and throw your motherboard away whenever it's time for an upgrade.

 

[Bones]

Why i'm not surprised and AMD didn't add a 1 limit purchase on their store?

Off Amd have 1 limit purchase but yeah is already out of stock.

I doubt the same scalper got multiple cpus than.

Scalpers use bots to buy them up quickly - It's been done before with things like GPU's, gaming cosoles and so on...... Plus it's that time of year for shopping anyway and they know it.
It was countered to an extent before by limiting the number of items going to to the same physical shipping address but even then they found ways around it.

 

[neatfeatguy]

I didn't even know the 9800X3D released. I didn't even know it was reviewed two days ago!

I'm just going to keep on enjoying my system because it handles everything I need without issues. Plus, no way in hell I'd be okay with dropping roughly $800+ for a new CPU/MB/RAM right now. Got other things that need my money.....like mortgage and food.

 

[msimax]

Wouldn't be surprised if Intel are the scalpers.

 

[HeadRusch1]

Do not buy from scaplers. Let them be idiots, stocks will be replenished, stores will adapt and introduce limits. It's no longer 2021 or 2022.

Stores could stop this right now, by enforcing their damned return policies and not letting people become habitual returners so they can't run their off-the-books scalping side-hustle knowing they can just return whatever doesn't sell at mark-up. Honestly 1/2 these people have got to be B&M store employees who know they can exploit a return window.

 

[Tek-Check]

I have not.

There you go. Take an opportunity, if you have spare time, to triangulate data and come up with more balanced reasoning.
You have Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed, Tom's Hardware, PC World, Hardware Canucks, etc. Great diversity of data.

We already know this is not great value as a general-purpose CPU. It does well if the data happens to fit in the cache, but you can get more cores for the same $$$ and get better overall application performance.

This is not a general purpose CPU. This is the premium gaming CPU with good general purpose performance; far more versatile than 7800X3D has ever been. You will need to judge its value on both accounts.

You can certainly add more cores at similar and lower price to get more application performance, but those CPUs will not compensate in gaming. For example, 265K and 9900X are only 12-13% faster in applications, on average, according to TPU. Tom's Hardware found 7900X3D to be only 10% faster in MT workloads. That's with four extra cores. 9800X3D appears in their testing to be 34% faster in MT than 7800X3D. Huge difference gen-on-gen.

This processor bring another type of buyer into the game, which will make this CPU even a better seller than 7800X3D. Before, it X3D was a premium gaming CPU only, with acceptable daily usage in applications.

Now, 9800X3D is way more versatile chip, especially for content creators. In AV1 encoding, it's on par with i9 24-core Raptors and 16 core X3D from the previous gen (TPU). Who would ever expect to see that? So, this CPU is a multi-faceted chip that we have not had before.

Any and all judgements of it will need to be more niuanced and tailored towards wider range of buyers, for example:
1. premium gaming only - no brainer
2. premium productivity - there are better chips, of course
3. premium gaming and good productivity in applications that buyers work with - new market for 9800X3D

 

[Vayra86]

'Wait out the 9800X3D' some said, when I was in the market for 7800X3D.

Hell no.

 

[mahanddeem]

Assholes will be assholes no matter what

 

[Vayra86]

Assholes will be assholes no matter what

Or, you know, people could show some restraint.

Apparently the amount of fools and money is high enough to keep doing this with every half worthy hardware release. That should get people thinking. Control your FOMO and this goes away.

 

[john_]

If 7800X3D hasn't gone up the last few months, demand wouldn't have been such high. A 7800X3D at $380 would have been a pretty nice alternative over the 9800X3D at $480. Yes, people with pockets and the need to see their ultra expensive 4090 getting higher scores, would have gone for the 9800X3D anyway, but anyone else would be happy with the 7800X3D at $380. AMD managed to make the 9800X3D to look like the most desirable CPU in the world by simply inflating the price of the 7800X3D and making it uncompetitive to the new one. Good marketing there, bad for consumers on the other hand.

And then we have the 7600X3D that is released and almost no one talks about, that it is also a nice option for those needing a good gaming performance at a somewhat reasonable price, but don't care about productivity.

Anyway, many X3D option for the AM4 and AM5 platforms, unfortunately not spread in many prices.


PS Who ever had the idea of putting that cache on top of the CCD should get a 5-10 millions bonus from the company and get promoted.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

My microcenter is going out of stock before they even open for the day.

 

[Nater]

Who's even considering the 14900K for a new system?

Sure, let your processor degrade and die and throw your motherboard away, whenever it's time for an upgrade.

I had kinda always planned on upgrading my 13600K to one, but I thought the price would crater a little harder than it has. $420 at Microcenter is about as low as I've seen it. And now, who would by my 13600K to offset the side-grade? Biggest hardware regret I've ever made by a long shot. Should have just waited for AM5 to mature or went ahead and paid the early adopter tax.

 

[_roman_]

PS Who ever had the idea of putting that cache on top of the CCD should get a 5-10 millions bonus from the company and get promoted.

There is a gamers nexus video for it. It was technically not possible. The cache came later as the chip was designed.

the 9000 Ryzen cpus are redesigns which makes this change now possible.

I think it's obvious. the next generation of cpus usually bring an improvement.

 

[john_]

PC gaming isn't an emergency. People willing to pay 600$/€ this CPU need help.

[P.S. It's not a negative comment about the CPU.]

$600/€600 looks high to us in Greece, but for someone living in a country where the average salary is 3-4 times the average salary here, that $600/€600 looks more like $200/€200, $300/€300 worst case. Also today people are living in a constant anxiety working to pay companies. 40 years ago people needed a house with rents being in reasonable prices, probably a car and food on their table. A 25'' CRT and a radio cassette player was more than enough and a couple of board games, a bicycle and a ball or a couple of dolls more than enough for the kids. Today people are rushing to throw away their 1 year old phone to get the new model at $800+, they are rushing to throw away their 75'' LED, because they want an OLED to experience "the true black", they will rush to buy the PS5 or the XBOX, a laptop or two, subscribe to 3-4 channels to get all the TV shows and movies, subscribe to other services too, and a myriad other secondary stuff that think they can't live without. Then houses are more expensive, rents are more expensive because of rbnb, everything is more expensive and people think that throwing more money will fix their lives and get rid of all that anxiety that they create in the first place, because they throw away constantly more money to stuff they don't actually need.

It's not just CPUs. People keep throwing money on everything they don't REALLY need, just think they might need.

 

[Space Lynx]

after reading a bunch of reviews finally, I can say the 9800x3d is actually very impressive.

 

[shadad]

as long its not going to crash or degrade as Intel 13th and 14th then am OK. this CPU is trend

 

[Vayra86]

Lol at any idiot who would pay a scalper for this. The CPUs are already overpriced at MSRP (yes I know it's hard to put a price limit on "the best" but still).

I saw them in stock yesterday morning could have clicked buy didn't even care not paying $480 for a CPU. It actually seems 7800X3D is the better buy, only about 5% slower and draws about 2/3 the power consumption. AMD went a bit nuts with the voltage curves of these new ones even with Curve Optimizer at -20 it seems.

Said it before, will say again: this 9800X3D should've been called 7800X3D-KS

 

[Raiden85]

Well, what did they expect? Most people that buy these would have been waiting for the X3D version, and unlike the non-X3D 9000 series, this is very good.

 

[scottslayer]

I'm getting flashbacks to the Lunar Lake announcement where everyone was saying it would be paper launch and stock would be nonexistent...

 

[rv8000]

Said it before, will say again: this 9800X3D should've been called 7800X3D-KS

Except it’s not, and there are actual, and tangible, changes going from zen 4 to zen 5. Terrible take.

 

[Octavean]

I have four Microcenters near me (within about ~30min by car depending on traffic) and a couple of those stores have the Ryzen 9800X3D at $479. One cites a 25 count new in stock.

I don't know that its worth it at that price IMO and I don't think I really want it anyway. Currently I have a RyZen 7950X and I'm happy with it. Maybe a 9950X ($569) or 9950X3D if all the CCDs have 3D cache.

 

[phanbuey]

I have four Microcenters near me (within about ~30min by car depending on traffic) and a couple of those stores have the Ryzen 9800X3D at $479. One cites a 25 count new in stock.

I don't know that its worth it at that price IMO and I don't think I really want it anyway. Currently I have a RyZen 7950X and I'm happy with it. Maybe a 9950X ($569) or 9950X3D if all the CCDs have 3D cache.

Yeah it's hard to scalp microcenters since you physically have to go there and they won't sell all their stock to one person. I wish Best Buy would take a few pages out of their book tbh. Especially since they're the nvidia FE partner... it's kind of sad their stock situation.

 

[Vayra86]

Except it’s not, and there are actual, and tangible, changes going from zen 4 to zen 5. Terrible take.

-for gaming I agree there's more to the upgrade. But in raw gaming perf, that's what it offers.

 

[Metroid]

If 7800X3D hasn't gone up the last few months, demand wouldn't have been such high. A 7800X3D at $380 would have been a pretty nice alternative over the 9800X3D at $480. Yes, people with pockets and the need to see their ultra expensive 4090 getting higher scores, would have gone for the 9800X3D anyway, but anyone else would be happy with the 7800X3D at $380. AMD managed to make the 9800X3D to look like the most desirable CPU in the world by simply inflating the price of the 7800X3D and making it uncompetitive to the new one. Good marketing there, bad for consumers on the other hand.

And then we have the 7600X3D that is released and almost no one talks about, that it is also a nice option for those needing a good gaming performance at a somewhat reasonable price, but don't care about productivity.

Anyway, many X3D option for the AM4 and AM5 platforms, unfortunately not spread in many prices.


PS Who ever had the idea of putting that cache on top of the CCD should get a 5-10 millions bonus from the company and get promoted.

As soon as 9800x3d is plenty then the 7800x3d will be going as low as 300 usd again and I believe this will happen in January.