Advise me before buying

[eidairaman1]

I find it impossible for him to know how to flash the original BIOS for the card. Maybe someone can send it and list the steps so I can forward them to the seller to perform. After that, I will ask him to test it again on FurMark to see if there is any change with the temperature or something like that.

As for customs, I'm mentioning it because if I order a graphics card with the return option, I will lose what I paid for shipping and customs if the card has an issue. Additionally, the customs and shipping cost will be almost the same as the price of the card, so I think I'll end up paying 2x.

you should have a bios switch on the gpu itself, flip it and restart

 

[Octavious]

you should have a bios switch on the gpu itself, flip it and restart

Alright, I’ve seen it. I’ll tell him to do that if he decides to sell it to me because he messaged me saying he was planning to sell me this card and use the money to buy a new one, but a problem occurred at his house that affected the budget he was planning to use for the purchase. He’ll let me know soon if he’s going to sell it.

I think I’ll continue my search for another one until he gets back to me. And thank you all so much for your help, I really appreciate your assistance.

 

[Octavious]

Hi everyone!
I’m back after almost two months with two different graphics cards, both priced similarly, and I want to ask which one is better or if either has any issues. I’ll show you the details I got from the seller.

First: RX 570 4GB sapphire
Here’s a picture of the card:

http://imgur.com/a/MSeaDaN

And here is a FurMark video of the card that the seller uploaded for me:

And here’s a GPU-Z screenshot and the BIOS file opened:

http://imgur.com/a/5TMmCrc

Second: RX 580 4GB Samsung Radeon
Here’s a picture of the card:

http://imgur.com/a/EgnahQM

And here’s a FurMark video:

And here’s a GPU-Z screenshot with the BIOS file opened: https://imgur.com/a/ORBau0s

 

[Chrispy_]

Of those two, the Sapphire is undoubtedly the better card.

It cost more when new, it has a backplate which will have offered protection to the rear PCB over its lifetime, it has a better cooler, and it's cleaner. I'm no BIOS expert but those look like the correct BIOSes to me.

 

[VuurVOS]

Hi everyone!
I’m back after almost two months with two different graphics cards, both priced similarly, and I want to ask which one is better or if either has any issues. I’ll show you the details I got from the seller.

First: RX 570 4GB sapphire
Here’s a picture of the card:

http://imgur.com/a/MSeaDaN

And here is a FurMark video of the card that the seller uploaded for me:

And here’s a GPU-Z screenshot and the BIOS file opened:

http://imgur.com/a/5TMmCrc

Second: RX 580 4GB Samsung Radeon
Here’s a picture of the card:

http://imgur.com/a/EgnahQM

And here’s a FurMark video:

And here’s a GPU-Z screenshot with the BIOS file opened: https://imgur.com/a/ORBau0s

Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX570 is slightly lower clocked and has 2048SP.
Powercolor Red Dragon (i think) Radeon RX580 is a little higher clocked and has 2304SP

Performance wise, RX580 is normally about 10% faster.

Besides that, It looks there is something wrong with the Sapphire Pulse card. The RX580 has much lower frame time in the furmark video

 

[Marcus L]

Of those two, the Sapphire is undoubtedly the better card.

It cost more when new, it has a backplate which will have offered protection to the rear PCB over its lifetime, it has a better cooler, and it's cleaner. I'm no BIOS expert but those look like the correct BIOSes to me.

The 1st one is a 570, the 2nd is a 580 and it does have a backplate as you can just about see from the furmark video, a good clean and there is no difference except the 580 is going to be the faster of the 2 all day long esepcially if it's the full fat 2304 shader version and not the cut down 2048 580 which is essentially a 570 with higher clocks and 2000mhz vRAM Vs 1750 on the 570

 

[eidairaman1]

Hi everyone!
I’m back after almost two months with two different graphics cards, both priced similarly, and I want to ask which one is better or if either has any issues. I’ll show you the details I got from the seller.

First: RX 570 4GB sapphire
Here’s a picture of the card:

http://imgur.com/a/MSeaDaN

And here is a FurMark video of the card that the seller uploaded for me:

And here’s a GPU-Z screenshot and the BIOS file opened:

http://imgur.com/a/5TMmCrc

Second: RX 580 4GB Samsung Radeon
Here’s a picture of the card:

http://imgur.com/a/EgnahQM

And here’s a FurMark video:

And here’s a GPU-Z screenshot with the BIOS file opened: https://imgur.com/a/ORBau0s

Ok just go with the TUL/Powercolor Card due to the fact its a 67DF RX 580 and not a 6FDF Model. As what @Marcus L mentioned

 

[VuurVOS]

The 1st one is a 570, the 2nd is a 580 and it does have a backplate as you can just about see from the furmark video, a good clean and there is no difference except the 580 is going to be the faster of the 2 all day long esepcially if it's the full fat 2304 shader version and not the cut down 2048 580 which is essentially a 570 with higher clocks and 2000mhz vRAM Vs 1750 on the 570

Ram of that RX580 is running at 1750 instead of 2000.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hi everyone!
I’m back after almost two months with two different graphics cards, both priced similarly, and I want to ask which one is better or if either has any issues. I’ll show you the details I got from the seller.

First: RX 570 4GB sapphire
Here’s a picture of the card:

http://imgur.com/a/MSeaDaN

And here is a FurMark video of the card that the seller uploaded for me:

And here’s a GPU-Z screenshot and the BIOS file opened:

http://imgur.com/a/5TMmCrc

Second: RX 580 4GB Samsung Radeon
Here’s a picture of the card:

http://imgur.com/a/EgnahQM

And here’s a FurMark video:

And here’s a GPU-Z screenshot with the BIOS file opened: https://imgur.com/a/ORBau0s

I would nudge you toward the 580 as it will offer the better performance.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ram of that RX580 is running at 1750 instead of 2000.

Im sure we can find 1 or cook up 1

 

[Octavious]

I see that you have some different opinions. Would there be any issue if I bought both cards, or is there a problem with one of them? Because a friend of mine wants one as well.
I also want to mention that the seller said this RX 580 is a 'Radeon Samsung' version, while you’re saying it’s PowerColor. Does this make things a bit suspicious, or is there actually a version called Samsung?

 

[VuurVOS]

I see that you have some different opinions. Would there be any issue if I bought both cards, or is there a problem with one of them? Because a friend of mine wants one as well.

Dont buy the RX570! There is something wrong with it like I said before but nobody is noticing it and ignoring my message
Difference should be about 10% but the difference in those video's is more than 10%. RX570 seems to be throttling.

The RX570 doesnt have it original cooler on it. The Pulse model has Sapphire stickers on the fans and not NITRO. Likely swapped with a different Sapphire E353 card which was a Nitro edition.
See https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/pulse-rx-570-4g-g5

RX570:

RX580:

I also want to mention that the seller said this RX 580 is a 'Radeon Samsung' version, while you’re saying it’s PowerColor. Does this make things a bit suspicious, or is there actually a version called Samsung?

Manufacturer of the card is Powercolor (Or Dataland which is the parent company of Powercolor ). Samsung is the brand of memory on the card on the card. Thats the reason it is called a "Samsung" version.

Im sure we can find 1 or cook up 1

RX580 4GB memory specs are sometimes 1750 MHz. See: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/amd-radeon-rx-580-4-gb.b8197

 

[Octavious]

Dont buy the RX570! There is something wrong with it like I said before but nobody is noticing it and ignoring my message
Difference should be about 10% but the difference in those video's is more than 10%. RX570 seems to be throttling.

So, would the RX 580 4GB be the better choice? And does it have any issues?

 

[lexluthermiester]

So, would the RX 580 4GB be the better choice? And does it have any issues?

Yes and no. The 570 performs a bit slower, obviously, but the 580 does not use any more power or make much more heat.

AMD Radeon RX 580 2048SP Specs

AMD Polaris 20, 1284 MHz, 2048 Cores, 128 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR5, 1750 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Radeon RX 570 Specs

AMD Polaris 20, 1244 MHz, 2048 Cores, 128 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR5, 1750 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Ideally if you can find an 8GB version of the 580, that would serve you better.

AMD Radeon RX 580 Specs

AMD Polaris 20, 1340 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR5, 2000 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[eidairaman1]

I see that you have some different opinions. Would there be any issue if I bought both cards, or is there a problem with one of them? Because a friend of mine wants one as well.
I also want to mention that the seller said this RX 580 is a 'Radeon Samsung' version, while you’re saying it’s PowerColor. Does this make things a bit suspicious, or is there actually a version called Samsung?

Samsung is the Ram Manufacturer, the bios tells you who the card is by same with the Model Name/Number sticker on the back, Powercolor Cards have AXRX typically. Sapphire have a SKU number and also the bios version used, Ex. E353, E366, E387, 353E.

Dont buy the RX570! There is something wrong with it like I said before but nobody is noticing it and ignoring my message
Difference should be about 10% but the difference in those video's is more than 10%. RX570 seems to be throttling.

The RX570 doesnt have it original cooler on it. The Pulse model has Sapphire stickers on the fans and not NITRO. Likely swapped with a different Sapphire E353 card which was a Nitro edition.
See https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/pulse-rx-570-4g-g5

RX570:
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RX580:
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Manufacturer of the card is Powercolor (Or Dataland which is the parent company of Powercolor ). Samsung is the brand of memory on the card on the card. Thats the reason it is called a "Samsung" version.


RX580 4GB memory specs are sometimes 1750 MHz. See: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/amd-radeon-rx-580-4-gb.b8197

TUL is Powercolor. In a way it's like PC Partner-Sapphire-Zotac

 

[Chrispy_]

The 1st one is a 570, the 2nd is a 580 and it does have a backplate as you can just about see from the furmark video, a good clean and there is no difference except the 580 is going to be the faster of the 2 all day long esepcially if it's the full fat 2304 shader version and not the cut down 2048 580 which is essentially a 570 with higher clocks and 2000mhz vRAM Vs 1750 on the 570

Ah I missed that. 580 is better than 570, though it's unfortunate that six weeks later that your last post you're still shopping dirty ex-mining RX500-series GPUs that have been messed with.

The Sapphire card appears to have the wrong cooler on it.
The Powercolor cooler looks like a mining-specific version - either because it is, or because someone has removed all the stickers and decals.

Dont buy the RX570! There is something wrong with it like I said before but nobody is noticing it and ignoring my message

Relax, it's just that the 570 was tested with Vsync on, and the 580 was tested with Vsync off.

 

[VuurVOS]

Relax, it's just that the 570 was tested with Vsync on, and the 580 was tested with Vsync off.

Some Polaris cards can have a crappy VRM which can give you black screens when the VRM is running hot since it is degraded over time. Like a Sapphire Nitro+ RX480 which a pal of mine owned before.
Vsync on prevents full load stress testing in this case.

The Sapphire card appears to have the wrong cooler on it.

The sticker on the fans does not match the model of the card. Cooler itself could swapped or just the fans since you can replace the fans when they stop working

 

[Octavious]

I know I've bothered you a lot, but I think this will be the last time.

This is an RX 580 4GB graphics card, and the seller says it was used personally, comes with its original box, and has never been opened before. Its temperature is in the mid-70s (°C), and I plan to meet the seller tomorrow to test the card and buy it.

The price in Egyptian pounds is equivalent to $65.

What do you think?
Also, What should I focus on when testing the card to ensure it’s in good condition?

 

[eidairaman1]

Make sure it posts, need to run 3Dmark on it, unigen based benchmarks, also have hwinfo64 up to see values of it running at proper clock speeds and temperatures, check every video port for correct operation too.

Otherwise i may suggest you grab a rx6600 and call it a day.

 

[dgianstefani]

Make sure it posts, need to run 3Dmark on it, unigen based benchmarks, also have hwinfo64 up to see values of it running at proper clock speeds and temperatures, check every video port for correct operation too.

Otherwise i may suggest you grab a rx6600 and call it a day.

OP is set on buying an EOL 4 GB card. His money.

 

[eidairaman1]

OP is set on buying an EOL 4 GB card. His money.

Not sure what the point of your post was but w/e.

Ofc it is but sometimes grabbing bnib is more feasible to avoid headaches.

 

[Chrispy_]

This is the least disgusting GPU I've seen in this thread so far. It looks like it was actually used in a PC case with dust filters, rather than sucking dust for half a decade of mining neglect. There's nothing good about a $65 RX580 4GB from the used market with zero warranty or recourse, but Egypt's cheap energy seems to have turned their local used market into a minefield of filthy, dented, rusty, bios-modded, cooler-swapped, junk. Honestly, at this point and in this price segment, if it looks clean and cared for, and it passes a stability test then it's probably the best you'll get.

The biggest disappointment in this whole thread is that the OP has poured so much time and effort into contacting sellers and turning up a bunch of depressing looking GPUs, and yet in the nine weeks and two paychecks since, the budget is still steadfastly stuck in the "so cheap it's likely to be sketchy" territory. OP is clearly putting some time and effort into contacting sellers, getting info back and posting it here, but at what price point does it become silly to start pouring hours of searching and reasearch into?

If it were me, strapped for cash 25 years ago, I'd have done some overtime, picked up an extra shift, sold some crap I had that I wasn't really using, or found one of countless other ways to raise the budget because the low budget is the single biggest problem here.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I know I've bothered you a lot, but I think this will be the last time.

No worries, you're totally fine.

This is an RX 580 4GB graphics card, and the seller says it was used personally, comes with its original box, and has never been opened before. Its temperature is in the mid-70s (°C), and I plan to meet the seller tomorrow to test the card and buy it.

The price in Egyptian pounds is equivalent to $65.

That is a good price for that card! Especially in such good condition.

Ignore the nay-sayers. Some folks don't get that technology market's aren't the same everywhere in the world. For Egypt, that's a good deal! For some hind-sight perspective here's an example of a much lesser, and older card doing 1080p very well;

Your RX580 will do well for you. Enjoy!

 

[Frick]

Not sure what the point of your post was but w/e.

He doesn't understand economic realites other than his own is the point.

 

[Octavious]

Thank you, guys,
But what is the exact model of this card so I can check its specifications and compare them to the test results I’ll get?
Additionally, how can I verify that this card actually belongs to this box?
Also, are you sure the card hasn’t been opened before? Where is the seal or mark that indicates this so I can check it again when buying? These pictures might be outdated.