Upgrade from 13700k to 9800X3D (RAM issues?)

[warriorunited]

Hello Everyone,

For the first time in years, i'm thinking in about leaving Intel wich was always plug & play for me (besides the difficulties i had with 13700k to make that CPU running cool -_-) , and now i'm thinking to turn into the "red" side of the force and get AMD 9800X3D.

The motherboard i'm thinking about to buy is ASUS ROG STRIX X870-F GAMING WIFI, because i always like to buy a good motherboard, modern stuff and something good to last.

Now, my real concern here is the RAM, as i'm using a XMP RAM based on my previous QVL motherboard list and no way i'm going to swap it, the kit i have is: G.Skill F5-6400J3239G32GX2-TZ5RK (2x32GB), is this going to work without problem? I really hate something that doesn't work out of the box, that's why i always used Intel, and i see that people have problems with RAM frequently with AMD, and i don't have time or patience to play with settings, so please be honest with be on this matter.

I think that's all for now, thank you!

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Unless someone has your exact kit and a 9800X3D it would be impossible to say. Best case it just works worst case you have to buy a new kit or the middle ground scenario you have to manually set the speed to 6000.

@phanbuey did a similar swap and had to buy new ram I believe but I'm not sure what steps he took prior. Hopefully he chimes in.

 

[Vya Domus]

For the RAM get something that has EXPO not just XMP.

Just look in the QVL of the motherboard that you want to buy and see if you can find the specific RAM kit you want to buy, so it's hard to say if it will work fine because your kit is not on that list.

 

[Hankieroseman]

NEVER buy RAM that is NOT on the QVL, has been my experience in the past.

 

[dgianstefani]

There's no real reason why it wouldn't work. QVL lists are guides.

If you have issues, just manually set a few timings, not that hard and saves buying RAM with otherwise identical chips, but slightly different stock settings.

 

[warriorunited]

Sadly my RAM is not on the QVL list, it is in Intel's mobos, not AMD ones, but there's kits that look just like the same, it's dumb... But yes, if this swap means to buy a new RAM or lose time to tweak it until it works, this is just not for me and i don't mind getting the Core Ultra 7 265k instead, i just want to start saving some energy bills and get rid of my burning 13700k.

 

[HouTex]

FWIW, I followed the same basic upgrade path you're considering this past weekend. I went from a 13700KF to a 9800x3d and it was a relatively painless.

I also had the 32gb version of the G.Skill memory kit you're asking about. I chose not to use it since on both G.Skill's web site and Asus' web site it was not approved/certified for the motherboard I chose. If and when I get some free time I may try it but I considering both vendors don't list the other as being compatible I would not want to start there with a new build.

 

[phanbuey]

Unless someone has your exact kit and a 9800X3D it would be impossible to say. Best case it just works worst case you have to buy a new kit or the middle ground scenario you have to manually set the speed to 6000.

@phanbuey did a similar swap and had to buy new ram I believe but I'm not sure what steps he took prior. Hopefully he chimes in.

Yah so I had a gskill kit OG 5600 CL32 64GB kit that stuttered like crazy - i swapped to Hynix A dies and it's been great. I don't think you need the exact ram sticks to be on the qvl as long as the IC's are listed: I got this kit now and it's awesome:
KLEVV CRAS V RGB DDR5 64GB (2x32GB) 6400MHz CL32 A-DIE 1.35V Gaming Desktop Ram Memory SK Hynix Chip XMP 3.0 / AMD Expo Ready - Black (KD5BGUA80-64A320G) at Amazon.com

Also be sure to reinstall windows and install the latest AMD drivers - that helps.

 

[Knight47]

Sadly my RAM is not on the QVL list, it is in Intel's mobos, not AMD ones, but there's kits that look just like the same, it's dumb...

I agrree. It's pretty dumb that G.Skill makes separate kits for Intel and AMD, they even have missing thermal pads. That's why I bought Kingston, has both XMP and Expo profile and thermal pad on the PMIC too.

 

[warriorunited]

I'm not going to buy a new RAM kit just for this, i don't even game at 1080p, 1440p at monitor or 4k when i have my PC hooked to the TV... Core Ultra 7 265k should get some improvements for sure, and changing to AMD it looks like it's going to be a small adventure.

 

[phanbuey]

I'm not going to buy a new RAM kit just for this, i don't even game at 1080p, 1440p at monitor or 4k when i have my PC hooked to the TV... Core Ultra 7 265k should get some improvements for sure, and changing to AMD it looks like it's going to be a small adventure.

It's actually super painless. One of the easiest builds i've done so far.

Core ultra is a downgrade, just undervolt the 13700k. You don't actually need to upgrade anything -- the core ultra have so many problems right now that just worth letting them fix it all before moving.

 

[Vya Domus]

Core Ultra 7 265k should get some improvements for sure

That's going to be a serious waste of money, the 265K is often slower than a 13700K.

That RAM kit will probably work on the AMD system, it's just that there are no guarantees XMP will work, it will still be way faster than a 265K.

 

[phanbuey]

That's going to be a serious waste of money, the 265K is often slower than a 13700K.

That RAM kit will probably work on the AMD, it's just that there are no guarantees XMP will work, it will still be way faster than a 265K.

You could probably run that at 4800mhz and still smoke the 265k :[]

 

[R0H1T]

Start from low & then work your way up. Also, 32GB per stick is fairly high density, so no guarantees it will work as fast as it did with Intel.

 

[JustBenching]

I'm not going to buy a new RAM kit just for this, i don't even game at 1080p, 1440p at monitor or 4k when i have my PC hooked to the TV... Core Ultra 7 265k should get some improvements for sure, and changing to AMD it looks like it's going to be a small adventure.

Id be more concerned about the sticks being 32gb rather than whether or not they have expo or are in the QVL. 32 sticks are kinda nasty. Good thing is, the 3d chip doesn't care that much about ram - so even if you have drop to 5600 youll get decent performance.

The question is - unless you are doing it as a hobby - why would you upgrade from a 13700k? That's still a top chip.

 

[agent_x007]

Can't you just set XMP, and drop memory manually to 6000MT/s (max recommended), before applying XMP settings ?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You could probably run that at 4800mhz and still smoke the 265k :[]

I'm pretty sure it would and definitely wouldn't be slower at 1440p/4k lol

Also I wouldn't trade the headaches of 200 series for just setting the ram to 6000 in bios which takes 3 seconds....

 

[brutalame]

It should works with basic JEDEC settings but for overclocking, you will need to tweak it manually.

 

[phanbuey]

Id be more concerned about the sticks being 32gb rather than whether or not they have expo or are in the QVL. 32 sticks are kinda nasty. Good thing is, the 3d chip doesn't care that much about ram - so even if you have drop to 5600 youll get decent performance.

The question is - unless you are doing it as a hobby - why would you upgrade from a 13700k? That's still a top chip.

Honestly this -- I upgraded because I need to play with new hardware every 2 years or my head explodes.

As long as you're not running 24h2, the 13700K is pretty freaking sweet (and will be again when they patch windows).

 

[ir_cow]

Sadly my RAM is not on the QVL list, it is in Intel's mobos, not AMD ones, but there's kits that look just like the same, it's dumb... But yes, if this swap means to buy a new RAM or lose time to tweak it until it works, this is just not for me and i don't mind getting the Core Ultra 7 265k instead, i just want to start saving some energy bills and get rid of my burning 13700k.

QVL doesn't matter. Take it from me who reviews tons of Memory kits on "unsupported" motherboards.

The only problem I had once was that some kits with JEDEC 5600 will not boot XMP/EXPO on a really old BIOS for the AM5. It was strange and not just one vendor or motherboard. Never figured it out either. Just narrowed it to to the JEDEC base profile.

Don't fall for EXPO. While it does have a few extra values, no one sets them aggressively and the defaults from the BIOS using XMP is the often exactly the same.

2x32GB at 6400 is totally possible on AND. But you will have to enforce 1:1 ratio and hope your IMC is up to the task. Otherwise just run 6000-6200. Easy to change the frequency in the BIOS. Single drop down menu

 

[phanbuey]

QVL doesn't matter. Take it from me who reviews tons of Memory kits on "unsupported" motherboards.

The only problem I had once was that some kits with JEDEC 5600 will not boot XMP/EXPO on a really old BIOS for the AM5. It was strange and not just one vendor or motherboard. Never figured it out either. Just narrowed it to to the JEDEC base profile.

Don't fall for EXPO. While it does have a few extra values, no one sets them aggressively and the defaults from the BIOS using XMP is the often exactly the same.

2x32GB at 6400 is totally possible on AND. But you will have to enforce 1:1 ratio and hope your IMC is up to the task. Otherwise just run 6000-6200. Easy to change the frequency in the BIOS. Single drop down menu

Here's my current stable 6000 64GB:

This is on a $104 used MSI B650M A WiFi. These sticks are not on the QVL. Have to run GDM tho or they're not happy.

Next upgrade is the $25 hardware 12pin tpm module so i can turn of fTPM 2.0

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I don't think it's really worth the upgrade from a 13700K on your current platform. Honestly, just turn off the E cores. 16 threads is plenty. (save power....)

To give you an example, Slapped in my 14100F 4c8t) from 14700K. I lost maybe 35fps (peaks) playing war thunder for example. 4070S is the GPU, I'm over 300fps+ peaks and never goes under 200fps (1080P- Cpu bound - 4K Gpu bound). You will probably gain 0 to 10fps average doing the Platform swap with your current GPU.

There's a lot of things to consider. But when money and time is no object ( <---Is this true? ), just by the platform gear, find memory that is on the QVL and come on back let us know how it goes. Don't like it, or have issues, just send it all back, give us details on your experience so we can really find out the deal. Because I am interested in a 9950X, BUT knowingly know, I don't need it over what I currently have.

All this is just food for thought. Memory is the least of any 3D render issues (Gaming). Cpu 2nd to last with current technology. Want more FPS 4k AAA games? Get a 4090.

muh 2 pennies, enjoy.

 

[Rashimotosan]

Hello Everyone,

For the first time in years, i'm thinking in about leaving Intel wich was always plug & play for me (besides the difficulties i had with 13700k to make that CPU running cool -_-) , and now i'm thinking to turn into the "red" side of the force and get AMD 9800X3D.

The motherboard i'm thinking about to buy is ASUS ROG STRIX X870-F GAMING WIFI, because i always like to buy a good motherboard, modern stuff and something good to last.

Now, my real concern here is the RAM, as i'm using a XMP RAM based on my previous QVL motherboard list and no way i'm going to swap it, the kit i have is: G.Skill F5-6400J3239G32GX2-TZ5RK (2x32GB), is this going to work without problem? I really hate something that doesn't work out of the box, that's why i always used Intel, and i see that people have problems with RAM frequently with AMD, and i don't have time or patience to play with settings, so please be honest with be on this matter.

I think that's all for now, thank you!

You are probably fine. I'd at least test it first before committing to new ram. I used 32 GB (16x2) of Corsair Dominator ram at 7600 and it ran perfectly fine. Turned on expo and everything. Mind you I'm coming from a 13900KS on a direct die. It depends on the board and your CPU's MC. The 9800x3D is capable of running higher ram due to the ability to be overclocked and I even saw Buildzoid say 6400 is preferred but can push to 7600 safely so I'm right at the cusp. Your ram will likely run it no problem. I think expo branded ram just might be better tuned since Intel throws a ton of voltages but Asus boards probably adjust for this and I think it'll be okay for this particular cpu. Just make sure to update the BIOs to your board so it's up to date to support those higher speeds. I'm also using an Asus x870 (Hero edition). Everything should be good. You might need to bump down since you're using 2x32 gb but pretty sure you'd still get awesome performance.

Seconding everyone in here, if you decide not to switch platforms due to the hassle I'd keep the 13700K over the 200 series. Intel is in the midst of fixing their latest chip since it's been running below their expectations. You'd be better off staying on 13th gen but if your electric bill is what you're out to change, I think the switch will be worth it.

 

[chrcoluk]

If you want plug and play, what will probably work is enabling XMP, and then from there just reducing the clock to a known stable value for the chip e.g. 6000, afterwards test as you always should do, to see if is any memory i/o errors.

 

[Jtuck9]

QVL doesn't matter. Take it from me who reviews tons of Memory kits on "unsupported" motherboards.

The only problem I had once was that some kits with JEDEC 5600 will not boot XMP/EXPO on a really old BIOS for the AM5. It was strange and not just one vendor or motherboard. Never figured it out either. Just narrowed it to to the JEDEC base profile.

Don't fall for EXPO. While it does have a few extra values, no one sets them aggressively and the defaults from the BIOS using XMP is the often exactly the same.

2x32GB at 6400 is totally possible on AND. But you will have to enforce 1:1 ratio and hope your IMC is up to the task. Otherwise just run 6000-6200. Easy to change the frequency in the BIOS. Single drop down menu

How feasible would it be to purchase say a pair of Patriot Viper Xtreme 5 RGB 48GB 8000 modules (I'll trust sneekypeet on that one) on an AM5 system and start running the gamut of memory speed and timings, i.e. from 8000 1:2 (38-48-48-127) down to 6400 (32-38-38-76-156) - 6000 (28-36-36-72) 1:1? Presumably that was what was done using the G.Skill Trident Z5 Royal Neo modules on that memory scaling Zen 5 article, albeit with 32GB modules? Those Patriot Viper Xtreme modules seem reasonably priced, comparatively.