Help with RTX 4090 - Low timespy score and low fps in cyberpunk 2077, CPU bottleneck?

[TGuerreiro]

Hi, I recently upgraded my computer with an RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X but it's getting very low scores in time spy and low fps in cyberpunk 2077.

My specs
i9-10900KF
MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X
32GB 3600MHz DDR4
2tb Nvme WD Black SN850X

Time Spy Score
Total: 25203
Graphics score: 30032
CPU score: 13.188

Cyberpunk 2077
Settings: 4K, DLSS Quality, Frame Generation ON, Max settings (psycho), Ray Tracing ON, Path Tracing ON
Score: Average 94.93fps

Is my CPU causing a bottleneck?
Did I win the lottery and get a poorly performing 4090?
If I buy one 7800x3d, x870, ddr5 6000Mhz CL 30, will I get much better performance?

Thanks in advance!

 

[GerKNG]

Is my CPU causing a bottleneck?
Did I win the lottery and get a poorly performing 4090?
If I buy one 7800x3d, x870, ddr5 6000Mhz CL 30, will I get much better performance?

Yes
Impossible
Yes

 

[TGuerreiro]

Yes
Impossible
Yes

Thanks

 

[Speedyblupi]

I personally wouldn't get a 7800X3D. The Ryzen 7 9800X3D is out now, and is significantly more powerful than the 7800X3D while usually not being a lot more expensive.

To be fair, the performance difference with an RTX 4090 in Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K with RT is negligible (sometimes not even measurable), but the 9800X3D is still the fastest CPU, and would give you better options for future GPU upgrades without having to replace the CPU to avoid bottlenecking again, or for games that are relatively more CPU-intensive than Cyberpunk 2077 (Cyberpunk with RT is one of the most GPU-intensive games relative to its CPU usage. Even if Cyberpunk 2077 isn't CPU-bottlenecked, it's still possible that a lot of other games would be).
Though if you're in a region where the 9800X3D is unobtainium, or where the 7800X3D is a lot cheaper, the 7800X3D is still a very good gaming CPU and might be the better option for you personally.

 

[eidairaman1]

I personally wouldn't get a 7800X3D. The Ryzen 7 9800X3D is out now, and is significantly more powerful than the 7800X3D while usually not being a lot more expensive.

To be fair, the performance difference with an RTX 4090 in Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K is fairly negligible, but the 9800X3D is still the fastest CPU, and would give you better options for future GPU upgrades without having to replace the CPU to avoid bottlenecking again, or for games that are relatively more CPU-intensive than Cyberpunk 2077 (Cyberpunk with RT is one of the most GPU-intensive games relative to its CPU usage. Even if Cyberpunk 2077 isn't CPU-bottlenecked, it's still possible that a lot of other games would be).
Though if you're in a region where the 9800X3D is unobtainium, or where the 7800X3D is a lot cheaper, the 7800X3D is still a very good gaming CPU and might be the better option for you personally.

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2fps, really that is like pissing in the wind. I'd go with the lower cost chip at that rate.

 

[TGuerreiro]

I personally wouldn't get a 7800X3D. The Ryzen 7 9800X3D is out now, and is significantly more powerful than the 7800X3D while usually not being a lot more expensive.

To be fair, the performance difference with an RTX 4090 in Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K is fairly negligible, but the 9800X3D is still the fastest CPU, and would give you better options for future GPU upgrades without having to replace the CPU to avoid bottlenecking again, or for games that are relatively more CPU-intensive than Cyberpunk 2077 (Cyberpunk with RT is one of the most GPU-intensive games relative to its CPU usage. Even if Cyberpunk 2077 isn't CPU-bottlenecked, it's still possible that a lot of other games would be).
Though if you're in a region where the 9800X3D is unobtainium, or where the 7800X3D is a lot cheaper, the 7800X3D is still a very good gaming CPU and might be the better option for you personally.

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I'm thinking about the 7800x3d because here in Brazil the 9800x3d hasn't been officially released yet and the stores that have the 9800x3d are selling it for R$ 4,271 (~736.25 USD) and the 7800x3d for R$ 2,999.99 (~516.98 USD), ~220 USD difference.

Will there be a big difference with a 7800x3d or 9800x3d compared to my i9 10900k in 4k?

 

[harm9963]

2fps, really that is like pissing in the wind. I'd go with the lower cost chip at that rate.

I have a 4090 with a 5950X , at 4K RT or no RT , waste of money , for a few fps or less !

 

[Speedyblupi]

I'm thinking about the 7800x3d because here in Brazil the 9800x3d hasn't been officially released yet and the stores that have the 9800x3d are selling it for R$ 4,271 (~736.25 USD) and the 7800x3d for R$ 2,999.99 (~516.98 USD), ~220 USD difference.

Will there be a big difference with a 7800x3d or 9800x3d compared to my i9 10900k in 4k?

Ok, fair enough. At those prices, the 7800X3D is probably the better option.

At the moment, no, especially in Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K with an RTX 4090 there won't be a difference in performance between the 7800X3D and 9800X3D. There might be a difference in other games which are more CPU-intensive, or if you upgrade to a more powerful GPU (e.g. an RTX 5090) in the future, but for now the 7800X3D is the better choice if it's ~$200 cheaper.

2fps, really that is like pissing in the wind. I'd go with the lower cost chip at that rate.

My consideration was for the potential of future GPU upgrades and for games that are more CPU intensive. In those situations, the performance difference between a 7800X3D and 9800X3D will often be a lot more than 2fps.

But even so, when the price difference is more than $200, the 7800X3D would still probably be better value. If performance in Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K with ray tracing is your only concern, then paying more for a 9800X3D would be completely pointless. You could even get basically the same performance from a Ryzen 5 9600X or 7600X, which are about half the price of a 7800X3D (or even less) in most regions, though I'm not sure how much it costs in Brazil.

 

[eidairaman1]

Ok, fair enough. At those prices, the 7800X3D is probably the better option.

At the moment, no, especially in Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K with an RTX 4090 there won't be a difference in performance between the 7800X3D and 9800X3D. There might be a difference in other games which are more CPU-intensive, or if you upgrade to a more powerful GPU (e.g. an RTX 5090) in the future, but for now the 7800X3D is the better choice if it's ~$200 cheaper.


My consideration was for the potential of future GPU upgrades and for games that are more CPU intensive. In those situations, the performance difference between a 7800X3D and 9800X3D will often be a lot more than 2fps.

But even so, when the price difference is more than $200, the 7800X3D would still probably be better value. If performance in Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K with ray tracing is your only concern, then paying more for a 9800X3D would be completely pointless. You could even get basically the same performance from a Ryzen 5 9600X or 7600X, which are about half the price of a 7800X3D (or even less) in most regions, though I'm not sure how much it costs in Brazil.

User can move to a 9800 or 9950 later in time.

 

[Frick]

Yes
Impossible
Yes

In 4K Cyberpunk with maxed out everything, including path tracing? I don't think the performance will be "much better".

 

[Ruru]

2fps, really that is like pissing in the wind. I'd go with the lower cost chip at that rate.

To be honest, that's almost in the margin of error.

 

[Marcus L]

Hi, I recently upgraded my computer with an RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X but it's getting very low scores in time spy and low fps in cyberpunk 2077.

My specs
i9-10900KF
MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X
32GB 3600MHz DDR4
2tb Nvme WD Black SN850X

Time Spy Score
Total: 25203
Graphics score: 30032
CPU score: 13.188

Cyberpunk 2077
Settings: 4K, DLSS Quality, Frame Generation ON, Max settings (psycho), Ray Tracing ON, Path Tracing ON
Score: Average 94.93fps

Is my CPU causing a bottleneck?
Did I win the lottery and get a poorly performing 4090?
If I buy one 7800x3d, x870, ddr5 6000Mhz CL 30, will I get much better performance?

Thanks in advance!

Check that video, specifically testing at 4k with a 9900k, 10900k, 12900k and 13900k all with the 4090, in general you will see the biggest boost to your 1% lows with a newer CPU though the averages also see a boost with the 12/13 series CPU's which is quite substantial in some titles, in general you could see a boost of 20%+ FPS with a CPU upgrade even at 4k, whether it's worth the $ as you would have to invest in not just a new CPU but motherboard and likely RAM also that is down to you, but yes, at 4K with a 4090 and a newer 13th gen/Ryzen 7*x3D you will get a pretty hefty uplift in lows and averages in some games as you are currently CPU bound, is it worth a $600-$800 investment, only you can answer that question, anyone saying at 4k the CPU doesn't matter is wrong, in a lot of scenarios 1% FPS and even averages are higher with the newer platforms

IMO 7800x3D would be a perfect upgrade and let your 4090 stretch it's legs as much as it could

Will there be a big difference with a 7800x3d or 9800x3d compared to my i9 10900k in 4k?

Yes, quite substantial in some games and on par/not noticeable in others, but this is likely where your bottleneck is coming into play

 

[TGuerreiro]

Thank you all very much!

 

[purecain]

I went with an X3D chip and stayed with AM4 initially. From a 5950x 32thread monster down to 16 threads and 8cores. It gave me a 10fps boost at 4k. Thats close to what I'd get from a gpu upgrade.
I then went to a 7800X3D and AM5, this gave me another 10fps, the 9800X3D offers up to a 30fps gain. Thats the same as a GPU upgrade so you should make certain to go with the advice above and get a 9800X3D.
The only reason I can think of for holding off, apart from waiting for prices to fall in a yr or so. Is to see how the 9950X3D handles games. If the 9950X3D is clocked a lot higher and there are no latency or scheduling issues this time^^, we should expect maybe up to another 10-15fps. So this is a massive jump for the 9000X3D series. We are really being spoiled this year and next year could be the same again.
Very interesting times to be a system builder.