UPDATE:Nvme Health decreasing now with 3% for 5 days

[TechBuyingHavoc]

Who cares if it's faulty drive anyway... I am gonna keep it until I buy a new one and then just RMA it and get a brand new of the same model which i will sell in order to try get at least 70% of the price I spent on it...I will even make more writing and reads but not now because I already got pissed off it ,in order to test and verify if it's software bug or not.I already accepted that the money spent on the drive are thrown in the trash but I will RMA it until it's in warranty...Just can't RMA it now until I buy a new one like Samsung pro 990 or something like that :]

You know, I was sympathetic to this thread because I also tested my SSD to make sure it worked correctly. But now I am changing my mind.

The SSD may be faulty but we will never know as you keep hammering on it. The only person who is making you pissed off and overly paranoid is yourself.

eidairaman1 and ty_ger are ultimately right, just stop it!

 

[hermesa]

You know, I was sympathetic to this thread because I also tested my SSD to make sure it worked correctly. But now I am changing my mind.

The SSD may be faulty but we will never know as you keep hammering on it. The only person who is making you pissed off and overly paranoid is yourself.

eidairaman1 and ty_ger are ultimately right, just stop it!

Well you should know until now that either your ssd is healthy when it stays 99% for couple of months or a year , or it's faulty like mine for 2.8TB writings with -3% health decrease...Or maybe it's just ''false''faulty'' or software bug.We will see.But If I let it be like that ,we could never know unless I don't use it and it stays frozen and unused.Sacrifices must be taken ! For now I will keep it only working on OS and will keep you in touch if anything changes with all the smart and data statistics , I will not install another OS or games on it until I buy a new one.Which would not be a problem with a normal nvme drive but yeah , for now it will stay only for operating system Writing data on an NVME should not be a problem and completely normal even If I do couple of installations on windows OS for days(every installed OS is 20GB of windows files by the way+ 150GB game) considering the 700TBW life It should not decrease with 2 percent but here we are talking about 3 %...It should be 0.53% for ~4000GB like it is right now...I am more interested that if It reaches the real 3% which are like ~12 TB of writes will it gonna drop after that , or before that.By doing so I could know if it's a softtware bug or just faulty drive.If it doesn't drop another % until I reach 12TB of writes ,then it's software bug ,if it does then it's just a faulty drive.And whoever suggest me not to use the drive in any way while waiting for some results sounds more paranoid and crazy Installing 2 Operating systems on a drive with 700TBW describing it as a ''hammering'' sounds more paranoid than anything else I could and I am capable of doing to the drive.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The SSD may be faulty but we will never know as you keep hammering on it.

Mostly because if the drive were operating properly, the "hammering" would do nothing to drive life measurements. But those measurements ARE being affected. So there's a problem. A very frustrating one.

The only person who is making you pissed off and overly paranoid is yourself.

Are you kidding? If people would quit blasting the op with attitude maybe they wouldn't be reacting in such a way. Maybe certain people(not everyone) should hush up and lay off.

Who cares if it's faulty drive anyway... I am gonna keep it until I buy a new one and then just RMA it and get a brand new of the same model which i will sell in order to try get at least 70% of the price I spent on it...I will even make more writing and reads but not now because I already got pissed off it ,in order to test and verify if it's software bug or not.I already accepted that the money spent on the drive are thrown in the trash but I will RMA it until it's in warranty...Just can't RMA it now until I buy a new one like Samsung pro 990 or something like that :]

That sounds like a good plan. Get a new drive and then RMA the faulty one which will minimize your down-time. Carry on!

 

[AleXXX666]

i'd say just use it as you normally would and check again in a couple of months. But yeah if you uninstall/install hundreds of gigabytes worth of games every few days it'll wear out faster than if you don't do that.

need to use "PRO" SSDs for "general" use? Cmon, I understand if SSD were used for few years....

 

[Frick]

need to use "PRO" SSDs for "general" use? Cmon, I understand if SSD were used for few years....

That's not what I said.

 

[remixedcat]

I'm a music producer so I am a very very heavy user and here's mine

had this system for 11 months:

 

[eidairaman1]

Mostly because if the drive were operating properly, the "hammering" would do nothing to drive life measurements. But those measurements ARE being affected. So there's a problem. A very frustrating one.

Are you kidding? If people would quit blasting the op with attitude maybe they wouldn't be reacting in such a way. Maybe certain people(not everyone) should hush up and lay off.

That sounds like a good plan. Get a new drive and then RMA the faulty one which will minimize your down-time. Carry on!

I mentioned this earlier, now going in circles.

 

[LittleBro]

I'm a music producer so I am a very very heavy user and here's mine

Why do you use Linux instead of Mac for making music? What are the reasons? I'm just curious, nothing offending in my question. Most people use Macs for music.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Why do you use Linux instead of Mac for making music?

Because Apple.

Most people use Macs for music.

That is a myth..

 

[remixedcat]

Why do you use Linux instead of Mac for making music? What are the reasons? I'm just curious, nothing offending in my question. Most people use Macs for music.

cuz apple is the most restrictive environment and they are way overpriced!!! you can't upgrade or repair anything! also linux is way better os for most things these days.

 

[LittleBro]

cuz apple is the most restrictive environment and they are way overpriced!!! you can't upgrade or repair anything! also linux is way better os for most things these days.

Please, calm down. Did not want to hurt you.

But with Linux you don't have that premium-like feeling that you paid more for having less ...

 

[Logic]

When it dies; Stick it in the oven at 200C for a couple of hours:

For extreme cases, there may be a new technology that claims to extend the lifetime of a flash drive to more than 100 million cycles. Even if you were to write and erase data 1,000 times per day, such a drive would last 274 years. Engineers from Macronix developed the technology and said that even 100 million cycles is not the real end. They simply didn't have the resources to test the memory for 1 billion cycles as it would take several months.​

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The improvement to flash lies in adding onboard heaters to small groups of memory cells, which can in turn heal flash memory cells that degrade over time. In fact, flash memory makers are facing a substantial challenge as this degradation accelerates with smaller cells. However, Macronix said that briefly heating the cell to 800 degrees Celsius can entirely heal the cell, prevent degradation and returning the cell to full operation.​

Heat Can Heal Dead NAND Flash Cells and Extend Life

Few users may have ever reached the end of life of a flash drive, yet we know that mainstream drives can, realistically, not exceed 100,000 read/write cycles and many cheap flash drives are even rated well below that.

www.tomshardware.com

Obviously you'd have to strip it down to the PCB 1st.
200C is what PCB and chips etc can handle. Its what solder melts at.
As it's 200 C and not 800C I have no idea how long restoring it will take.
Make sure its level in the oven and DO NOT move or mess with it until its cooled down completely

 

[eidairaman1]

When it dies; Stick it in the oven at 200C for a couple of hours:

For extreme cases, there may be a new technology that claims to extend the lifetime of a flash drive to more than 100 million cycles. Even if you were to write and erase data 1,000 times per day, such a drive would last 274 years. Engineers from Macronix developed the technology and said that even 100 million cycles is not the real end. They simply didn't have the resources to test the memory for 1 billion cycles as it would take several months.​

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The improvement to flash lies in adding onboard heaters to small groups of memory cells, which can in turn heal flash memory cells that degrade over time. In fact, flash memory makers are facing a substantial challenge as this degradation accelerates with smaller cells. However, Macronix said that briefly heating the cell to 800 degrees Celsius can entirely heal the cell, prevent degradation and returning the cell to full operation.​

Heat Can Heal Dead NAND Flash Cells and Extend Life

Few users may have ever reached the end of life of a flash drive, yet we know that mainstream drives can, realistically, not exceed 100,000 read/write cycles and many cheap flash drives are even rated well below that.

www.tomshardware.com

Obviously you'd have to strip it down to the PCB 1st.
200C is what PCB and chips etc can handle. Its what solder melts at.
As it's 200 C and not 800C I have no idea how long restoring it will take.
Make sure its level in the oven and DO NOT move or mess with it until its cooled down completely

At that rate you might as well just backup and rma the drive, no point in having to go to extreme measures...

 

[Shrek]

When it dies; Stick it in the oven at 200C for a couple of hours

Won't this ruin the firmware?

How long do SSDs store data without power?

If the loss time is halved for every 10°C hotter, then 2 hours at 200°C is equivalent to about 30 years at 30°C.

 

[LittleBro]

For extreme cases, there may be a new technology that claims to extend the lifetime of a flash drive to more than 100 million cycles. Even if you were to write and erase data 1,000 times per day, such a drive would last 274 years. Engineers from Macronix developed the technology and said that even 100 million cycles is not the real end. They simply didn't have the resources to test the memory for 1 billion cycles as it would take several months.​

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So, there's life after death, after all ...

The improvement to flash lies in adding onboard heaters to small groups of memory cells, which can in turn heal flash memory cells that degrade over time. In fact, flash memory makers are facing a substantial challenge as this degradation accelerates with smaller cells. However, Macronix said that briefly heating the cell to 800 degrees Celsius can entirely heal the cell, prevent degradation and returning the cell to full operation.​

Will heal the NAND but surely destroy anything else. NAND is useless without controller.

But interesting. How would I heat something to 800°C at home? Even my gas stove theoretically outputs 650°C at max.

Anyway, do at your own risk.

 

[Ruru]

So, there's life after death, after all ...

Who knows if a SSD will remain from father to son for several generations

 

[y2faulty]

my 13year old 128gb Crucial M4 that I used as primary drive for all this time (and often filled to like 500mb of free space) (with page files on it) is 81% health, according to crystaldisk.

Dunno if it helps.

 

[LittleBro]

I'm curious about the current state of the problem. Does the drive life still go down so quickly?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Won't this ruin the firmware?

As long as no power is running through it, no. It's harmless. The data will be erased, sure, but that can be reflashed.

When it dies; Stick it in the oven at 200C for a couple of hours:

For extreme cases, there may be a new technology that claims to extend the lifetime of a flash drive to more than 100 million cycles. Even if you were to write and erase data 1,000 times per day, such a drive would last 274 years. Engineers from Macronix developed the technology and said that even 100 million cycles is not the real end. They simply didn't have the resources to test the memory for 1 billion cycles as it would take several months.​

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The improvement to flash lies in adding onboard heaters to small groups of memory cells, which can in turn heal flash memory cells that degrade over time. In fact, flash memory makers are facing a substantial challenge as this degradation accelerates with smaller cells. However, Macronix said that briefly heating the cell to 800 degrees Celsius can entirely heal the cell, prevent degradation and returning the cell to full operation.​

Heat Can Heal Dead NAND Flash Cells and Extend Life

Few users may have ever reached the end of life of a flash drive, yet we know that mainstream drives can, realistically, not exceed 100,000 read/write cycles and many cheap flash drives are even rated well below that.

www.tomshardware.com

Obviously you'd have to strip it down to the PCB 1st.
200C is what PCB and chips etc can handle. Its what solder melts at.
As it's 200 C and not 800C I have no idea how long restoring it will take.
Make sure its level in the oven and DO NOT move or mess with it until its cooled down completely

This could be a good breakthrough, if it's feasible.

 

[Shrek]

As long as no power is running through it, no. It's harmless. The data will be erased, sure, but that can be reflashed.

My concern is that without firmware it cannot be reflashed.

 

[freeagent]

I've been running mine for a couple of years now.. seems ok..

I rarely run disk benchmarks, maybe a little at first when it is new, but that's it.

 

[lexluthermiester]

My concern is that without firmware it cannot be reflashed.

All firmware can be reflashed from a source external to the device being reflashed. That's how it's installed at/from the factory.

 

[kapone32]

I've been running mine for a couple of years now.. seems ok..

I rarely run disk benchmarks, maybe a little at first when it is new, but that's it.

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When I first get a drive or first build a RAID array I try all the benchmarks. I love the AIDA write numbers when the drive is bare. I have been on all NAND for a few years and have never had an issue that could not be explained by an event like when my EK block failed and killed 2 of my SSDs from water damage. Other than that nothing. I will say though that formatting and hot swapping NVME is a totally different animal. I have a Kingston NV2 that I formatted in one of my USB C ports on the back of the MB. Did not create the volume and now that drive cannot be formatted no matter where I put it. It is not even recognized in a Windows install. Even though SSDs are just a different form factor they seem to be more stable than NVME for some things. There will be lemons though. How many of us have bought MBs or those original OCZ drives and a special mention to Kingston flash drives too. I have a 1.3 TB micro SD drive and any of my drives should fail it would be that due to the form factor.

 

[Vincero]

Interestingly enough in terms of timing, my 2nd (work) machine can't seem to decide on how much remaining life there is:

It keeps fluctuating between 96% and 97%... curious as to how it can go back up - I mean seeing it decrease is expected, but not to increase. Obviously the lifetime number is derived from some other internal or SMART stats with some sort of formula spitting out a number.
The more annoying thing is that every time it changes I get a ping that it's changed... it's been reliable over many years but it is Sandforce controller so there is some paranoia - at least Kingston actually did push out what seems to be some of the latest Sandforce firmware for it so, fingers crossed, hopefully no weird bugs.

 

[eidairaman1]

So, there's life after death, after all ...


Will heal the NAND but surely destroy anything else. NAND is useless without controller.

But interesting. How would I heat something to 800°C at home? Even my gas stove theoretically outputs 650°C at max.

Anyway, do at your own risk.

Not sound advice

@hermesa, replace your drive and move forward