Intel Arc B580

[Hecate91]

The issue there is the techs are not mutually exclusive. nvidia paying more doesnt mean intel couldnt pay the sam edevs to include XeSS. They did that for about a year after Alchemist came out and it worked fairly well, but involvement has seemed to drop off. Intel has the pull and the cash, XeSS should be just as widespread by this point, especially if they're going to give us a 4070 tier card

I wouldn't put it past Nvidia to only allow devs to add DLSS first, or have exclusivity agreements. Intel might have the cash, but I would be concerned how much Intel wants to invest into ARC with the massive debt they have, and how much of the ARC team is left after laying off people. It's weird to me how TPU still complains about proprietary tech like DLSS, its a ridiculous bias to have but not surprising given how much reviewers promote Nvidia over AMD or Intel.

I think you misread that as B850. the B580 is the very card in this review. LOL

I misread it as B850 as well, lol.

 

[RaceT3ch]

Welp, there's my new GPU.
Just gotta wait for them to arrive in Australia

 

[MiguelJMPereira]

I know most people say that RT is not relevant in this segment, but isnt it possible that more games like the new Indiana Jones will pop up in years to came? The game simply wont run without RT hardware. At this moment this B580 should be more future-proof then the competition in that reagard. Or is this a moot point?

 

[LastDudeALive]

Would it be possible to include PCIe version scalings and ReBar on/off comparisons in some reviews? I know you did that for the A770, but it's even more relevant for more budget-oriented cards like this that are tempting for people with older systems, like 10 or 16 or 20 series, to upgrade.

 

[Lew Zealand]

You can make that same exact statement of the cards it is competing against. There are lots of places where a 7600 XT or 4060 falls behind in sub 60fps 1080p titles.



Again, you can make the same exact statement of the more expensive 7600 XT / 4060 cards.

It is absolutely normal for any GPU to have places where it is particularly strong, or particularly weak. I don't see you calling out AMD / Nvidia for their weak spots - and there are a *ton* of them in these tests.

This is a review of an Intel card, not Nvidia or AMD, so I'm focusing on that.

I noticed the same in the 7600 review as it had a number of weaknesses (I don't remember doing this with the 4060) but you need to see the graph of all the games to assess how widespread the weaknesses are but that graph only shows up in the initial card review. Unfortunately the 4060 and 7600 reviews are 1.5 years old by now, using some different games and equipment so it's not comparable to the B580. This is why I find the average FPS or relative performance misleading as that number can look very good while 1/4 of the games are only getting you 30-50fps. And especially at the lower end, you'll likely be using High or Medium to get some of that performance back yet we never see that data.

I'd love to have all the data to compare where each of the competing cards (from any performance level) shows weakness vs competitors and then I wonder whether any conclusions could be made about it. Does one engine matter more than another or do individual game differences swamp out how well one manufacturer's GPU design works in a particular engine?

 

[Wasteland]

Overall I like this card a lot and it does so many things well for the price, but the disappointing part is: where it fails, it fails hard.

In those games where it doesn't reach 60fps:

It's competitive with 4060/7600 in: Wukong, Star Wars
It's slower than 4060/7600 in: Dragon Age, Silent Hill, Stalker, Starfield

So where it needs those fps the most, it fails to deliver vs. the competition 2/3 of the time. Hopefully the silver lining is that with driver improvements this can be fixed.

And for my GPU preferences, high idle power and high Vsync power are also bad. While this has been worse on some AMD models yet very good on others, Nvidia really has this angle of GPU power management completely solved.

The B580 scales better than the competition at higher resolutions. The losses you mention in Dragon Age and Stalker 2 at 1080p, for example, turn into wins at 1440p. Silent Hill turns into a win against AMD at 1440p, but not Nvidia. Overall, the B580 puts in an impressive showing, and at a lower price point, to boot.

Based on a survey of today's reviews, there are no red flags, which is a welcome contrast to Alchemist's launch. Battlemage qualifies as a credible option for mainstream users, on day one. Great progress for Intel. Idle power is the only area where I'm disappointed.

The issue there is the techs are not mutually exclusive. nvidia paying more doesnt mean intel couldnt pay the sam edevs to include XeSS. They did that for about a year after Alchemist came out and it worked fairly well, but involvement has seemed to drop off. Intel has the pull and the cash, XeSS should be just as widespread by this point, especially if they're going to give us a 4070 tier card.

AMD rides to the competition's rescue yet again, lol. Intel looks poised to benefit from FSR perhaps more than any other player--it can use its own superior upscaling tech where available, while maintaining the option to fall back to FSR otherwise.

 

[Lew Zealand]

The B580 scales better than the competition at higher resolutions. The losses you mention in Dragon Age and Stalker 2 at 1080p, for example, turn into wins at 1440p. Silent Hill turns into a win against AMD at 1440p, but not Nvidia. Overall, the B580 puts in an impressive showing, and at a lower price point, to boot.

At what FPS? 24, 35, and 45 FPS are not a great gaming experience, which is the point. These are not playable experiences.

 

[Bet0n]

Interest is high because this is the budget segment where most people buy things (around the world, not in the US).
So this card is a missed opportunity.
Intel didn't want to or should I say couldn't disrupt the market because their margin must be super low on this card and to disrupt they should've said we give you this product for $180-200 (or whatever was the launch price of the A580). But this card has a big chip and a "lot of" vRAM so they can't go lower than $250 and AMD sells their stuff for this price so we (Intel) going to too.
They priced this card just low enough to be somewhat of a consideration for people who doesn't know better.

On the positive side and disruption aside they can shake things up because AMD now can't sell their 3-generations-the-same-performance-junk for $250-$300, they have to lower their prices. And NV should follow them but I think they won't bother, maybe give you $25 discount on the 4060 but they rather build AI chips on that piece of silicone (remember they didn't care about the difference in the case of rtx 3050 vs rx 6600).

Another possible positive thing is if AMD and NV engineered their next-gen low-end GPUs with a 128-bit mem interface so only capable of controlling 8 GB or 16 GB of memory then they should roll out those for "bargain" around $200 prices with 8 GB vRAM otherwise they will become a laughingstock.

 

[Wasteland]

At what FPS? 24, 35, and 45 FPS are not a great gaming experience, which is the point. These are not playable experiences.

Sure, but W1zzard tests at max graphical settings and with zero upscaling. You can probably double those numbers without a major hit to visual quality just by tweaking a few menu options. No one with a $250 GPU budget expects great performance across the board at Ultra settings. The mere fact that Intel's managed to release a halfway credible 1440p card at $250 in the year of our Lord 2024 is semi-miraculous.

Also, my previous post failed to note just how narrow the loss in Starfield is--all three cards are effectively tied in that title at 1440p, within ~1 FPS of each other. Even at 1080p, the margin falls within 10%. I was initially sympathetic to your argument WRT the B580's inconsistencies, probably because I still carried some amount of bias from observing Alchemist's janky history, but on second glance it looks like your concerns are overblown. Some games always favor certain architectures over others. On day one, you can expect those differences to be especially pronounced. Nothing I've seen today appears out of the ordinary.

 

[gridracedriver]

Disaster, no other words, like 6700xt/7600xt 4/2 years later at same price.
DOA.

 

[_roman_]

I really wonder what other components do in your system with activated "Active State Power Management"


I doubt many graphic card buyers will be able to find that uefi setting and change that uefi setting.

...

Regarding that ASPM option.

Intel recommends turn of ASPM in the uefi for certain INTEL WLAN cards.

There are many posts. I just checked again - as I saw the review guy mentioning aspm. I read that stuff several times already in different posts for that ax210 issue.
e.g. https://community.intel.com/t5/Wire...h-after-iwlwifi-Queue-Stuck-Error/m-p/1572778

1. ASPM is a feature that allows the PCIe devices to enter lower power states when they are not in use, which can save energy and reduce heat generation. However, ASPM may also cause some compatibility or stability issues with some devices or platforms, depending on the implementation and configuration. This is why IsaacQ_Intel suggested you to disable ASPM in the BIOS and see if that resolves the issue. Alberto_R_Intel directed you to contact ASUS support because your motherboard is an ASUS product, and they may have more information or updates on how to fix the ASPM negotiation or disable it for your specific model. You should contact them with the details of your system, the issue you are facing, and the steps you have tried so far. You should also mention that you suspect ASPM may be the cause of the problem, and ask them if they have any solutions or recommendations for your situation.
2. The limitation that needs to be addressed by ASUS is the proper implementation and configuration of ASPM for your motherboard and the devices connected to it. ASPM is a complex feature that involves the interaction of the BIOS, the OS, the device drivers, and the hardware. It may require firmware updates, driver updates, BIOS settings, or OS settings to work correctly and efficiently. ASUS is responsible for providing the firmware and BIOS for your motherboard, and they may have more insight into how ASPM works on their product and how to optimize it for your system. They may also be able to provide you with a workaround or a fix for the issue you are experiencing.

-- You better get a card without uefi requirements for certain enabled options. Which may cause issues with existing hardware and existing operating systems.

-- e.g another hardware which has problem with the power saving feature = ASPM uefi option.

PCIe errors after enabling ASPM power saving (GPU has fallen off the bus)

Hey! I recently noticed that the ASUS PRIME mainboards ship with PCI ASPM (Active State Power Management) disabled by default. I turned on PCI ASPM in my BIOS settings (setting value: L0sL1) and indeed my PC uses less power. However, sometimes the picture freezes and I have to reboot my...

forums.developer.nvidia.com

 

[Marcus L]

The B580 is both cheaper and faster then the 4060 with more VRAM, therefore the price doesnt make sense? Wat?

Yup, trading blows with the 3070 and 4060 Ti in a lot of titles, and we know Intel will keep improving their performance with driver updates, more-so than AMD and NV as that has been Intel's major downfall, day 1 performance and having to manually optimise for specific titles which they have been doing consistently with the 1st gen Arc GPU's so expect more of the same, maybe Intel will soon be named the new fine wine

Disaster, no other words, like 6700xt/7600xt 4/2 years later at same price.
DOA.

7600xt is £300+ a used 6700xt shouldn't be in the conversation compared to a brand new GPU with warranty and years of driver improvements that the 6700xt won't see as they are as optimised as they can be at this point, I'm sorry it wasn't £150 to force Nvidia's hand to lower their prices so you could just ignore Intel and AMD and pay a bit less for your NV GPU

In UK cheapest B580 is £250, 4060 is £260 and 4060Ti can be had for £330, so the price doesn't really make sense over going with the Nvidia options.

Yup the cheapest single fan 4060 which will be gimped from the outset, they usually run between £280-£300 for a decent offering with good cooling, but this A580 out of the gates is already trading blows with the 4060Ti more than the 4060 and with driver improvements will only get better

 

[ModEl4]

@W1zzard in every resolution A580 is faster than A750, can you check again?

 

[TheEndIsNear]

We need another player that's for sure. I have an arc 770 that I just got to play around with and once they got going on the drivers it was pretty good.

 

[sLowEnd]

Looks mostly good. I wonder why they weren't able to get idle power down without ASPM though?

 

[SSGBryan]

I do miss the very high end in the graphs. I hope some uninformed reader does not make a wrong decision.

I sold my Radeon 6800 non xt for around 450€ in 2023. That was a low end card at time of purchase in 2023. The graph should at least have the Nvidia 4090 in it. Some could get the impression that the card is better as it is. Nothing wrong with low level - entry graphic cards.

The last of US Part I - is one of the few games I played. The graphics are low end. I expect much higher frame rate with full details in whqd for 2025 for a new graphic card. WHQD should be common these days. 1080p is the resolution from 15 years ago.

edit: I see it as 180€ card for the best graphic card mechanical solution. 150€ for a cheap graphic card board, e.g two fan design which are insanely loud - or a design which gets very hot, .... I do not see at all the 330€ asking price as of now. For 250€ or higher I expect the best driver quality, the lowest idle consumption with one or more whqd screens and several operating system support.

Do you want a pony too?

In what world is a RX 6800 a "low end card"? Why would anyone put a $1700USD video card in the presentation?

 

[Pepamami]

7600xt is £300+ a used 6700xt shouldn't be in the conversation compared to a brand new GPU with warranty and years of driver improvements that the 6700xt won't see as they are as optimised as they can be at this point, I'm sorry it wasn't £150 to force Nvidia's hand to lower their prices so you could just ignore Intel and AMD and pay a bit less for your NV GPU

Ye thats the cool part about this card. Nobody will buy it, but it will force the price drop of other cards, and make stuff like 4060 and 7600 more affordable.

 

[SSGBryan]

Would it be possible to include PCIe version scalings and ReBar on/off comparisons in some reviews? I know you did that for the A770, but it's even more relevant for more budget-oriented cards like this that are tempting for people with older systems, like 10 or 16 or 20 series, to upgrade.

Rebar has been available for the past 5+ years, with no user intervention. Rebar can be added as a driver (via the RebarUEFI project) for mb all the way back to the 4th gen Intel CPUs.

If someone is still on skylake, they need to swing by Aliexpress & grab an inexpensive 5600/B550 combo or an i512400f/B760 combo.

Pepamanmi - the B580 is already out of stock on newegg. I am on the waiting list, and it is looking like I won't see mine until sometime in January.

 

[Pepamami]

In what world is a RX 6800 a "low end card"? Why would anyone put a $1700USD video card in the presentation?

Second hand GPU market a big issue for the low tier GPU market. Like I bought RX 6800 for 300$ myself, and I bought it not today, but like ~1.5 years ago.

 

[Marcus L]

Ye thats the cool part about this card. Nobody will buy it, but it will force the price drop of other cards, and make stuff like 4060 and 7600 more affordable.

And who is waiting for the 4060/7600 to be $50 cheaper? no one, those with that mindframe want the top end cards to be $100's cheaper so they can still give their money to NV, it's not going to happen, if I was in the market for a entry level GPU with good performance I would 100% choose this over the alternatives

Second hand GPU market a big issue for the low tier GPU market. Like I bought RX 6800 for 300$ myself, and I bought it not today, but like ~1.5 years ago.

You're talking crap, wipe your mouth. They still go for between $300-$400 now on the used market, the fact you got one for such a price when prices were much higher doesn't make it a low end card, it makes you lucky and a 6800 is not a low end GPU

 

[Pepamami]

You're talking crap, wipe your mouth. They still go for between $300-$400 now on the used market, the fact you got one for such a price when prices were much higher doesn't make it a low end card, it makes you lucky and a noob for thinking a 6800 is a low end GPU

all I am telling, that this card feels kinda dated, with all that power draw and performance. Like it was released not today, but a year, or maybe 2 ago. That's why I am thinking about second hand GPU market as a one of direct competitors.

And who is waiting for the 4060/7600 to be $50 cheaper? no one, those with that mindframe want the top end cards to be $100's cheaper so they can still give their money to NV, it's not going to happen, if I was in the market for a entry level GPU with good performance I would 100% choose this over the alternatives

Ye, that's also my point. Some people will by nvidia, because its nvidia. Other people won't buy Intel, because they have a "bad driver" stereotype since early ARC gpus. Other people will go for second hand.

But I would probably buy B580, but first, I have to verify the coilwhine >.>
Already have A310, where only driver update is only issue (since Intel website is garbage)

 

[Vayra86]

Disaster, no other words, like 6700xt/7600xt 4/2 years later at same price.
DOA.

This thing costs $250,- bud and it seems to be competitive on all metrics against those cards.

 

[Pepamami]

This thing costs $250,- bud and it seems to be competitive on all metrics against those cards.

now tell it to the consumers xd

 

[HisDivineOrder]

Lisa gets CEO of the Year, but all I can think when I see this product is why couldn't AMD produce this product at this price? And years ago? People say AMD never gets a break, but I think the reason is because they don't push the envelope. They ride in Nvidia's shadow, keeping their products slightly ahead in raster and way behind in features, price slightly less than their entrenched competition, and then hold up their hands and shrug their shoulders and say, "Aw, shucks. No one buys our product."

No. You want to compete? Compete. Compete like Intel. Like you're hungry and you want to win. Y'know? Like how you compete against Intel in the CPU space. Do that against Nvidia in the GPU space. Why does it take Intel to show up and embarrass the big dogs?

 

[Pepamami]

No. You want to compete? Compete. Compete like Intel. Like you're hungry and you want to win.

did AMD the same with X3D processors?

As soon as AMD will notice, that people buy less of their gpus than expected, they will lower the price, or release some "special edition", to follow Intel too.