Pure Video Editing PC. Could use some help/suggestions/thoughts/opinions?

[Justavideoguy]

Looking for advice, recommendations, and insights on a video editing PC build

Questions:
Am I missing anything?
How is the stability for the parts selected together?
Would the parts selected be considered easy ones to install together?
Will the high amount of RAM be read/problematic with these parts selected?
Should ECC ram be used instead?
Could use a suggested good, valued GPU that is in stock?
Should I be considering something else especially considering its specific use case (video editing)?
Any recommendations?

Build:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H4ZDcx

Use:
The computer is intended to primarily be used for video editing only (no gaming or anything else).
Footage edited is (4K, 120p (FPS), 4:2:2, 10-bit, 600Mbps/75MB/s,)
Effects applied: Greenscreen, Adobe AI voice enhance, some light Color Grading.

Listed in order of priorities.
1. Stability - A stable system is more valued than a faster performing computer.

2. Ease of building - Not a pro builder and hoping not to turn this from a short term to a long-term project build due to complications.

3. Longevity - The system will likely end up having a longer timeline than average before the next upgrade.


Recommended information to provide to forum.
Budget: 5-$6K United States

PURPOSE OF THE BUILD: Primarily for Video Editing using Adobe Premiere Pro.
Do use the Adobe Creative Cloud including some After Effects, Photoshop, Photoshop's AI, Illustrator, Cinema Grade, and various plug ins, and MS Office (Word, Excel).

ITEMS YOU NEED/ALREADY HAVE: Fractal Design Define XL R2 ATX Full Tower Case (unsure if front case USB will allow higher transfer speeds since the connection point on the case is older?)
Corsair HX1000i 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply. (Estimated 760-watt system load but don't want to ever skimp on the power supply)
Noctua NH-D15S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler (Is it worth trying to reuse?)
Leaning towards getting all new parts rather than trying to reuse the 3 items above since despite being in excellent shape they are getting close to 10 years old.

OVERCLOCK OR NOT? Rather have stability than a little extra performance so currently doesn't anticipate overclocking unless recommended.

CPU
Usage? Current: Video editing Adobe Premiere Pro (90%) including Adobe After Effects/Photoshop (5%) and some light color grading (5%).
Future: Expecting Video Editing (65%), Photoshop AI (25%), and Color Grading (10%), After Effects (for special projects only)

Motherboard:
Do you need an overclockable model? Unlikely

What connectivity and ports do you need? Faster transfer speeds for direct connected backup drives (not using a NAS yet) would be a nice feature since currently local backups can take time.

Is it compatible? Is it the right size for the case? I am guessing Yes.

Are you using it's onboard sound? Yes, but expected in the future to go with a DAC (not during this update but in the future)

Graphics Card: No, gaming would be done on this system. Just video editing and video editing supported tasks.
Suggestions are welcome since I am having a difficult time selecting a graphics card appropriate for video editing that is actually in stock. Leaning towards one that has more VRAM than rated speed since some have suggested that it's the better way to go for value. Having both is ideal but keeping it close to budget likely VRAM will have to be prioritized.

RAM: Any suggestions for ECC RAM would be welcome if recommended to use.

SSD's/HDD's (Size?. Prioritizing on reliability over performance. Moved down from 8 TB to 4 TB M.2 drives due to costs. Leaning towards the following set up for M.2 drives.
1 boot,
1 scratch,
3 raided for all active working projects.
1 HDD for archiving projects.

Case: Not interested in any RGB but interested in having the system run quiet for critical audio listening/sound design.

PSU: Recommendations are welcome, but I just selected one with a good amount of power for the build. Probably overkill but it was recommended and listed on the mobo capability list.

Monitor: Currently run 3 smaller standard 22-inch screens. They are nothing special but get the job done. Next upgrade may include upgraded monitors but likely more than a year out due to budget.

Operating System: Windows 11 Pro

Peripherals: Wireless keyboard, mouse, basic editing control surfaces, and small mixer for voice recording.

Cooling (Noctua NH-D15S for CPU and several Noctua case fans listed.

Thank you for taking a look and to anyone that has any suggestions.

 

[Harlow]

Suggestions are welcome since I am having a difficult time selecting a graphics card appropriate for video editing

Given the quality of the rest of your system, I think you're a bit "light" on the 4060Ti. I've just swapped out my two year old 3060 12GB (non Ti) for a 4070 12GB (non Ti). As you can see from the graph below, the 8GB 3060Ti is near the bottom of the performance list. If money were no object, we'd both be using an RTX 4090 or an even more expensive A6000.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/soluti...be-premiere-pro/hardware-recommendations/#gpu

RAM: Any suggestions for ECC RAM would be welcome if recommended to use.

I use ECC RAM in two of my four TrueNAS Core RAID-Z2 systems, but I doubt there will be a much advantage over standard non-error corrected UDIMMs. ECC tends to run slower and may not overclock as well.

3 raided for all active working projects.

That explains the large number of SSDs. I'm guessing you'll be using 3 drives in RAID0 (striping) for speed? I suggest checking the Adobe forums to see if you'll get a significant improvement with RAID0. Just make sure you can install five M.2 drives without sacrificing any other options, due to lane sharing. You may be OK with LGA1851.

OVERCLOCK OR NOT? Rather have stability than a little extra performance so currently doesn't anticipate overclocking unless recommended

I don't overclock the CPU or GPU on my 7950X video rig. I used to get crashes with Topaz Video AI two years ago and used MSI Afterburner to run my 3060 at 95% power on long renders (12 to 36 hours). Topaz is much more stable now.

Noctua NH-D15S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler (Is it worth trying to reuse?)

I'm using a dual-fan NH-D15 (not new Mk.2) on my 7950X. Intel CPUs tend to dissipate more power, so you may experience earlier throttling with the D15S. No big deal, but if you want to extract the last ounce of performance, consider a bigger cooler. I've not used an AIO, but a 360mm or 420mm AIO or custom loop might be better.

Case: Not interested in any RGB but interested in having the system run quiet for critical audio listening/sound design.

I installed my 7950X rig in an ancient (brand new) Lian Li PC-S80 Quiet PC case, but the 4070 GPU only just fits, length-wise. Can't hear the 5 hard disks, but the CPU fans are audible when running flat out.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Case-Review-Lian-Li-PC-S80-25/
http://dansdata.com/llpcs80.htm

 

[dj-electric]

Just so you know - currently on the x86 system only Intel ARC and general Intel Xe based GPUs actually have the capability of accelerating (essentially decoding) 10bit 4:2:2 video workflow.
If you pick hardware that doesnt include that, you will have to make up for it with tons of horsepower.

It is not uncommon for an editor of such codec to actually get a dedicated Intel ARC GPU for that purpose.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

I don't do video editing, so I'll caveat what I'm about to say there, but I do have some general notes on the system.

Case: The case looks very restrictive. Some cases do this to try and dampen the fan noise, but in doing so they make everything run hotter, which creates more fan noise and hurts performance. So it's good to find a trade-off there that offers better performance while still being quiet. A couple options to consider:
be quiet! Silent Base 802 - This case lets you swap top and front panels for quiet or airflow, so you get to tweak it to how it works best for you. Comes with 3 pretty good fans.
be quiet! Dark Base 901 - Their top of the line case. It has tons of modularity, options, and similar quiet/performance options to work with. The RGB can be turned off. I have the old 900 version and it's still a great case to work with. Their build-quality is outstanding. The included fans with the 901 are really good.
Fractal North XL - I really like the looks of this case and it has a decent balance of air-flow and noise control built in.

Fans: Those are decent fans. I'm not going to knock them, but I'm curious about there being 9 of them, if that's necessary, and if you can leverage a case that already has good fans. The 901 for example has really good fans that are audibly quite pleasant. They move less air than the Noctua fans you picked, but I'm guessing you picked 9 fans to run them at lower speeds anyway. You could also just augment the stock fans by buying high-speed version of the same fan and using those as the intakes with the stock fans as exhaust. This helps with a positive pressure, which is ideal from a dust perspective as your intakes are pulling through the filters and this gives them a bit more power to work with so the case is pulling air in there instead of from everywhere. Then you only need to buy 3 new fans (or 4 if you want to put one in the basement as well) and move the stock 4 fans to the back and top of the case. If you really want more power on the intake, you can buy the expensive Silent Wings 4 Pro PWM fans. They move way more air than necessary lol, but they can obviously be turned down and are really good fans. You could also buy the Noctuas you picked, I'm not trying to talk you out of that, but I like having the fans look the same in a system when possible, so that's where I was going there.

CPU Cooling: You'll be just fine with that cooler. If you want to save some money, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE (or EVO), Frost Commander 140 (it's loud though), or Peerless Assassin. They all well-out-perform their price and are some of the best air coolers out there. If you want more power, you can go with an AIO, but you'll find diminishing returns beyond a 280 or 360mm. Also, with the 285k, I don't think you need to go AIO, but a good option to consider would be the Arctic Liquid Freezer iii 280 or 360 (or 420, but most cases can't accommodate that in the top, which is where I would suggest mounting a CPU aio).

GPU: This is where I don't really know what you need. I'd have to do some benchmark hunting with your applications to figure out if that 4060ti is even adequate or if you'd be better off with an RTX 4000 Ada for example. You can buy those on Newegg, but a 4080 Super is cheaper, so I'm not really sure how those compare in your applications and you'd have to make that determination.

Power Supply: That's definitely overkill. Your system would draw half that maximum probably, so it just seems like an odd choice. I get over-doing it when you don't want the fans to ever spin up and you're trying to go for long term stability and efficiency, so even if you go with a 4090, you can likely be just fine with a 1000W unless you OC some parts significantly. Here are some alternates I'd consider (all at least ATX 3.0/PCIe5.0 spec):
FSP Hydro TI Pro 1000W - It's the best rated supply (at 115VAC) on HWBusters. Would be more than adequate for your demands.
be Quiet! Straight Power 12 1200W (or 1000W) - platinum rated, reviews well, good price option these days.
Super Flower Leadex iii ATX 3.1 1300W - Still overkill for what you're doing now, but bang/buck this is worth considering. it's new so there aren't reviews, but it's an updated version of what was one of the best supplies ever. The updates include the new GPU connector and the spec that allows for more current excursions (that came with newer high-end GPUs).

 

[dgianstefani]

Fixed

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wqWdDj

CPU: Intel Core Ultra 9 285K 3.7 GHz 24-Core Processor ($909.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 G2 91.58 CFM CPU Cooler ($149.94 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus ProArt Z890-CREATOR WIFI ATX LGA1851 Motherboard ($489.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 192 GB (4 x 48 GB) DDR5-5200 CL38 Memory ($599.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Exos X20 20 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus PRIME OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($799.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define 7 XL ATX Full Tower Case ($238.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: FSP Group Hydro Ti PRO,Gen 5 1000 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - USB 64-bit ($142.85 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14x25 G2 PWM Sx2-PP 91.6 CFM 140 mm Fans 2-Pack ($76.90 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14x25 G2 PWM Sx2-PP 91.6 CFM 140 mm Fans 2-Pack ($76.90 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14x25 G2 PWM Sx2-PP 91.6 CFM 140 mm Fans 2-Pack ($76.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $5762.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-12-12 10:53 EST-0500

 

[Why_Me]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core Ultra 9 285K 3.7 GHz 24-Core Processor ($909.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S chromax.black 82.51 CFM CPU Cooler ($109.95 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus ProArt Z890-CREATOR WIFI ATX LGA1851 Motherboard ($489.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 192 GB (4 x 48 GB) DDR5-5200 CL38 Memory ($599.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: *Samsung 870 QVO 8 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($538.95 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Exos X20 20 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: *Asus PRIME OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($799.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: *MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $4538.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-12-12 11:21 EST-0500

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[oxrufiioxo]

Can anyone who actually owns a 285K comment on how stable the platform is now I've read about nothing but stability issues with Z890/core ultra.

@W1zzard I know you are super busy but maybe you can chime on on how reliable it is or has been I literally don't know anyone who is actually running one.

@ir_cow any insight on the OP being able to run 192GB of ram I know it's on the qvl but that doesn't mean a whole lot in my book.


Everyone else keep in mind stability is the #1 goal of the OP

 

[ir_cow]

I only have a 2-slot MB, so 2x48 (96GB) is all I can run. I don't know the soft memory limits Socket 1851 yet. I suspect it is still quite low and given now Arrow Lake is 2x 32bit per channel instead of 1x64 with (2x32 sub) it is even more stressful on the memory controller.

This is a common on the spec sheets Z890 MBs and QVL lists don't even have 4 DIMMS tested.
• 2DPC 1R Max speed up to 4800+ MT/s
• 2DPC 2R Max speed up to 4800+ MT/s

Asus ProArt Z890 shows 6400 in 4x48 configuration for the QVL, but who knows how stable that is. I would stick to 4800-5200. Basically get basic DIMMs and don't enable XMP.

As for Storage. No need for Raid, just get split your OS, Scratch disk and Project files onto different NVMe drives. Scratch disk is semi obsolete since HDDs are a thing of the past. Basically it dumps the working projects files that have been "Used in some way" into a temp folder that should be faster than the project storage. But if you have space on your project disk, you can make a folder called TEMP.

 

[Justavideoguy]

Given the quality of the rest of your system, I think you're a bit "light" on the 4060Ti. I've just swapped out my two year old 3060 12GB (non Ti) for a 4070 12GB (non Ti). As you can see from the graph below, the 8GB 3060Ti is near the bottom of the performance list. If money were no object, we'd both be using an RTX 4090 or an even more expensive A6000.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/soluti...be-premiere-pro/hardware-recommendations/#gpu

I use ECC RAM in two of my four TrueNAS Core RAID-Z2 systems, but I doubt there will be a much advantage over standard non-error corrected UDIMMs. ECC tends to run slower and may not overclock as well.


That explains the large number of SSDs. I'm guessing you'll be using 3 drives in RAID0 (striping) for speed? I suggest checking the Adobe forums to see if you'll get a significant improvement with RAID0. Just make sure you can install five M.2 drives without sacrificing any other options, due to lane sharing. You may be OK with LGA1851.


I don't overclock the CPU or GPU on my 7950X video rig. I used to get crashes with Topaz Video AI two years ago and used MSI Afterburner to run my 3060 at 95% power on long renders (12 to 36 hours). Topaz is much more stable now.


I'm using a dual-fan NH-D15 (not new Mk.2) on my 7950X. Intel CPUs tend to dissipate more power, so you may experience earlier throttling with the D15S. No big deal, but if you want to extract the last ounce of performance, consider a bigger cooler. I've not used an AIO, but a 360mm or 420mm AIO or custom loop might be better.


I installed my 7950X rig in an ancient (brand new) Lian Li PC-S80 Quiet PC case, but the 4070 GPU only just fits, length-wise. Can't hear the 5 hard disks, but the CPU fans are audible when running flat out.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Case-Review-Lian-Li-PC-S80-25/
http://dansdata.com/llpcs80.htm

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I agree with your assessment on the gpu as well. I should bump up the gpu performance with a better model. Always hard to balance budget with performance without winning the lotto but you're right I should allocate more to the gpu. Thanks for the chart.

Great insight in being less concern on using the ECC vs. non-ECC RAM which is great as non ECC RAM seem to be very popular with lots of choices.

Yes, you are correct, I was planning on using RAID 0 but mainly to get some more storage for active working files/projects all in one place. For some reason moving from 4TB to 8TB doesn't seem to be a great value so I figure raiding it would mitigate that somewhat. It looks like the 5th M.2 drive slot shares it with the PCIEX16_G4 slot and can only use one or the other.

I am glad to hear Topaz AI is much more stable. I do like and use that program but on more special projects now and I have been using less of it since rendering times seem to take a very long time. I have actually considered trying to put the files on a NAS (which I don't have and not really in the budget at this time) so that I can video edit a project on one system and just have another computer running Topaz AI separately for a separate project. This way I could just let it run Topaz AI while I work on my primary system for editing. Not sure how well that would work. Topaz AI does have a relatively new credit system which allows for their servers to handle all the rendering which seems like a great idea but I am weighting the costs as Topaz AI is really more of a nice to have rather than a must have for the projects I am involved with. If you have any insights on if that Topaz AI workflow makes sense I definitely welcome your input since you use the program and have multiple NAS systems.

I have had some good experience with the NH-D15 cooler is one of the reasons I considering it in this build. I didn't realize there could be some early throttling though. I liked it because I found it was fairly easy to install for a non-professional builder like me and quiet in operation. I do prefer stability and ease of installation over extracting every last ounce of performance so it might still be a good fit for myself.

Thanks for the link to the video as well as the experience you encountered with your build.

Thanks, Harlow, for the advice. Definitely was helpful.

Just so you know - currently on the x86 system only Intel ARC and general Intel Xe based GPUs actually have the capability of accelerating (essentially decoding) 10bit 4:2:2 video workflow.
If you pick hardware that doesnt include that, you will have to make up for it with tons of horsepower.

It is not uncommon for an editor of such codec to actually get a dedicated Intel ARC GPU for that purpose.

Thanks for bringing this up dj-electric. I was reading up on it with this supplemental article. https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...e-decoding-is-supported-in-premiere-pro-2120/
TBH, some of it kind of just made me more confused but sounds like the main take aways are that it is recommended to get a gpu that natively supports the 4:2:2 10 bit footage since it is already known that will be part of the workflow. Unfortunately, the INTEL-ARC-A380 and INTEL-ARC-A750 are the only ones listed on the mobo compatibility list which seems like fairly weak performing cards to use for other video editing tasks. I basically will get some gains being that it is natively supported but they both only have 8 GB of VRAM and performance isn't as good as other popular gpu models so lose out in other areas.

What is your opinion on whether it is worth waiting a few weeks for the new NVidia 5000 series release hopefully in January during CES 2025?

I don't do video editing, so I'll caveat what I'm about to say there, but I do have some general notes on the system.

Case: The case looks very restrictive. Some cases do this to try and dampen the fan noise, but in doing so they make everything run hotter, which creates more fan noise and hurts performance. So it's good to find a trade-off there that offers better performance while still being quiet. A couple options to consider:
be quiet! Silent Base 802 - This case lets you swap top and front panels for quiet or airflow, so you get to tweak it to how it works best for you. Comes with 3 pretty good fans.
be quiet! Dark Base 901 - Their top of the line case. It has tons of modularity, options, and similar quiet/performance options to work with. The RGB can be turned off. I have the old 900 version and it's still a great case to work with. Their build-quality is outstanding. The included fans with the 901 are really good.
Fractal North XL - I really like the looks of this case and it has a decent balance of air-flow and noise control built in.

Fans: Those are decent fans. I'm not going to knock them, but I'm curious about there being 9 of them, if that's necessary, and if you can leverage a case that already has good fans. The 901 for example has really good fans that are audibly quite pleasant. They move less air than the Noctua fans you picked, but I'm guessing you picked 9 fans to run them at lower speeds anyway. You could also just augment the stock fans by buying high-speed version of the same fan and using those as the intakes with the stock fans as exhaust. This helps with a positive pressure, which is ideal from a dust perspective as your intakes are pulling through the filters and this gives them a bit more power to work with so the case is pulling air in there instead of from everywhere. Then you only need to buy 3 new fans (or 4 if you want to put one in the basement as well) and move the stock 4 fans to the back and top of the case. If you really want more power on the intake, you can buy the expensive Silent Wings 4 Pro PWM fans. They move way more air than necessary lol, but they can obviously be turned down and are really good fans. You could also buy the Noctuas you picked, I'm not trying to talk you out of that, but I like having the fans look the same in a system when possible, so that's where I was going there.

CPU Cooling: You'll be just fine with that cooler. If you want to save some money, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE (or EVO), Frost Commander 140 (it's loud though), or Peerless Assassin. They all well-out-perform their price and are some of the best air coolers out there. If you want more power, you can go with an AIO, but you'll find diminishing returns beyond a 280 or 360mm. Also, with the 285k, I don't think you need to go AIO, but a good option to consider would be the Arctic Liquid Freezer iii 280 or 360 (or 420, but most cases can't accommodate that in the top, which is where I would suggest mounting a CPU aio).

GPU: This is where I don't really know what you need. I'd have to do some benchmark hunting with your applications to figure out if that 4060ti is even adequate or if you'd be better off with an RTX 4000 Ada for example. You can buy those on Newegg, but a 4080 Super is cheaper, so I'm not really sure how those compare in your applications and you'd have to make that determination.

Power Supply: That's definitely overkill. Your system would draw half that maximum probably, so it just seems like an odd choice. I get over-doing it when you don't want the fans to ever spin up and you're trying to go for long term stability and efficiency, so even if you go with a 4090, you can likely be just fine with a 1000W unless you OC some parts significantly. Here are some alternates I'd consider (all at least ATX 3.0/PCIe5.0 spec):
FSP Hydro TI Pro 1000W - It's the best rated supply (at 115VAC) on HWBusters. Would be more than adequate for your demands.
be Quiet! Straight Power 12 1200W (or 1000W) - platinum rated, reviews well, good price option these days.
Super Flower Leadex iii ATX 3.1 1300W - Still overkill for what you're doing now, but bang/buck this is worth considering. it's new so there aren't reviews, but it's an updated version of what was one of the best supplies ever. The updates include the new GPU connector and the spec that allows for more current excursions (that came with newer high-end GPUs).

Bobaganoosh thanks for the great case option suggestions. I also like the Fractal North XL look. Looks like it has a touch of class and design merged together. Although I am wondering if it will collect dust easier from that front grill vs. a flat front panel/door may resist dust better.

I really don't know how many fans is needed. It was more the merrier approach to make it a wind tunnel for heat to escape but if it's overkill, I can definitely reduce the number of fans. I have had really good luck with Noctua fans being super quiet and reliable which was the only reason I thought they would be a good one to consider. That is a great reminder of making sure the intake fans are the ones with filters in front of them because for some reason my location gets plenty of dust. I'll take a closer look at your fan recommendations. I also like having the fans look the same in a system.

Probably my weakest areas in the build is the gpu and should match more with the other components and my particular use case.

I agree, the power supply is overkill. Thank you very much for the recommendations. That information is very helpful.

 

[Justavideoguy]

Fixed

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wqWdDj

CPU: Intel Core Ultra 9 285K 3.7 GHz 24-Core Processor ($909.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 G2 91.58 CFM CPU Cooler ($149.94 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus ProArt Z890-CREATOR WIFI ATX LGA1851 Motherboard ($489.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 192 GB (4 x 48 GB) DDR5-5200 CL38 Memory ($599.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($319.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Exos X20 20 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($359.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus PRIME OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER 16 GB Video Card ($799.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define 7 XL ATX Full Tower Case ($238.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: FSP Group Hydro Ti PRO,Gen 5 1000 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro Retail - USB 64-bit ($142.85 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14x25 G2 PWM Sx2-PP 91.6 CFM 140 mm Fans 2-Pack ($76.90 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14x25 G2 PWM Sx2-PP 91.6 CFM 140 mm Fans 2-Pack ($76.90 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14x25 G2 PWM Sx2-PP 91.6 CFM 140 mm Fans 2-Pack ($76.90 @ Amazon)
Total: $5762.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-12-12 10:53 EST-0500

Thank you dgianstefani for the fix.

I really like the upgraded GPU suggestions you made. Seems like some in the forum also are recommending to have native support for 4:2:2 10-bit footage since it will be part of the projects I edit. I was looking on the manufacture website and checked their manual of the gpu and couldn't find the native support. Still a great GPU to consider so thank you for the recommendations. Interesting enough google AI said it was supported natively but when I clicked on the reference links, I couldn't find how google AI got that answer since I didn't see a reference or evidence in the Google AI link.

Also liked the suggested PSU. I can see that I selected an over kill one so I should get one more appropriate to the build. Great recommendation.

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Interesting...it didn't cross my mind to swap out the M.2 drive with an SSD drive. Thanks for the new perspective. Also makes it likely an easier build which I really like.

Also thank you for the GPU, PSU, Case recommendation.

Can anyone who actually owns a 285K comment on how stable the platform is now I've read about nothing but stability issues with Z890/core ultra.

@W1zzard I know you are super busy but maybe you can chime on on how reliable it is or has been I literally don't know anyone who is actually running one.

@ir_cow any insight on the OP being able to run 192GB of ram I know it's on the qvl but that doesn't mean a whole lot in my book.


Everyone else keep in mind stability is the #1 goal of the OP

Thanks oxrufiioxo for asking the questions

I only have a 2-slot MB, so 2x48 (96GB) is all I can run. I don't know the soft memory limits Socket 1851 yet. I suspect it is still quite low and given now Arrow Lake is 2x 32bit per channel instead of 1x64 with (2x32 sub) it is even more stressful on the memory controller.

This is a common on the spec sheets Z890 MBs and QVL lists don't even have 4 DIMMS tested.
• 2DPC 1R Max speed up to 4800+ MT/s
• 2DPC 2R Max speed up to 4800+ MT/s

Asus ProArt Z890 shows 6400 in 4x48 configuration for the QVL, but who knows how stable that is. I would stick to 4800-5200. Basically get basic DIMMs and don't enable XMP.

As for Storage. No need for Raid, just get split your OS, Scratch disk and Project files onto different NVMe drives. Scratch disk is semi obsolete since HDDs are a thing of the past. Basically it dumps the working projects files that have been "Used in some way" into a temp folder that should be faster than the project storage. But if you have space on your project disk, you can make a folder called TEMP.

ir_cow thank you for your insights. Much appreciated.

RAM was just selected based on the mobo compatibility list, but I don't know how stable it is either. Great recommendation on not enabling XMP.


Plan for storage (Not sure if this is suitable but that is what I was thinking for configuration)
1 - M.2 drive (4 TB) for the O/S and applications.
3 - M.2 drives (12TB total - from 3 M.2 drives that are 4 TB each) for project files/assets (actively working files) all in one place/drive.
1 - M.2 drive for media cache/scratch/temp (Preview files when editing can be set to be stored on Scratch Disks which I am finding out when I don't do that backups take much longer since it backs up preview files but I really don't need them backed up. I plan to back up the actively working file drive but not back up the media cache/scratch drive to save on back up times. In addition, I understand there can be some performance benefits with that set up, but I really don't know by how much. Figure I could try it out.
1 - HDD (20TB) to archive projects when done to keep the active working file drive available and not run out of space.
Also, will back up to external hard drives for long term storage of projects but nothing special just cost-effective USB external hard drives for now. In the future I would like to consider backing up to either a RAID directly connected (more likely due to costs) or NAS (but that is more than a year out).

 

[Why_Me]

Thank you dgianstefani for the fix.

I really like the upgraded GPU suggestions you made. Seems like some in the forum also are recommending to have native support for 4:2:2 10-bit footage since it will be part of the projects I edit. I was looking on the manufacture website and checked their manual of the gpu and couldn't find the native support. Still a great GPU to consider so thank you for the recommendations. Interesting enough google AI said it was supported natively but when I clicked on the reference links, I couldn't find how google AI got that answer since I didn't see a reference or evidence in the Google AI link.

Also liked the suggested PSU. I can see that I selected an over kill one so I should get one more appropriate to the build. Great recommendation.


Interesting...it didn't cross my mind to swap out the M.2 drive with an SSD drive. Thanks for the new perspective. Also makes it likely an easier build which I really like.

Also thank you for the GPU, PSU, Case recommendation.


Thanks oxrufiioxo for asking the questions


ir_cow thank you for your insights. Much appreciated.

RAM was just selected based on the mobo compatibility list, but I don't know how stable it is either. Great recommendation on not enabling XMP.


Plan for storage (Not sure if this is suitable but that is what I was thinking for configuration)
1 - M.2 drive (4 TB) for the O/S and applications.
3 - M.2 drives (12TB total - from 3 M.2 drives that are 4 TB each) for project files/assets (actively working files) all in one place/drive.
1 - M.2 drive for media cache/scratch/temp (Preview files when editing can be set to be stored on Scratch Disks which I am finding out when I don't do that backups take much longer since it backs up preview files but I really don't need them backed up. I plan to back up the actively working file drive but not back up the media cache/scratch drive to save on back up times. In addition, I understand there can be some performance benefits with that set up, but I really don't know by how much. Figure I could try it out.
1 - HDD (20TB) to archive projects when done to keep the active working file drive available and not run out of space.
Also, will back up to external hard drives for long term storage of projects but nothing special just cost-effective USB external hard drives for now. In the future I would like to consider backing up to either a RAID directly connected (more likely due to costs) or NAS (but that is more than a year out).

Less M.2 drives means more bandwidth / PCIe lanes all the way around hence the 8TB SATA drive.

 

[Stephen.]

Use:
The computer is intended to primarily be used for video editing only (no gaming or anything else).
Footage edited is (4K, 120p (FPS), 4:2:2, 10-bit, 600Mbps/75MB/s,)
Effects applied: Greenscreen, Adobe AI voice enhance, some light Color Grading.

For the purpose you mentioned, dj-electric has given a very good suggestion I have quoted it below.

Just so you know - currently on the x86 system only Intel ARC and general Intel Xe based GPUs actually have the capability of accelerating (essentially decoding) 10bit 4:2:2 video workflow.
If you pick hardware that doesnt include that, you will have to make up for it with tons of horsepower.

It is not uncommon for an editor of such codec to actually get a dedicated Intel ARC GPU for that purpose.

Just to add on what dj-electric has suggested.
I have done extensive testing on various video codecs, on Adobe CC, DaVinci Resolve, OBS, Handbrake and more.
The 10bit 4:2:2 video workflow is supported in hardware and accelerated beautifully on intel dGPU and iGPU.
I have personally tested 10bit 4:2:2 workflow on 11th Gen > CPUs with iGPUs and on Intel ARC (A770, A730M, A550M) and a bunch of Iris Xe laptops, short answer works great.
I suggest for your workflow; Intel GPU is where you want to be.

 

[Justavideoguy]

Less M.2 drives means more bandwidth / PCIe lanes all the way around hence the 8TB SATA drive.

Very good point. I did not even think about that.

 

[Justavideoguy]

For the purpose you mentioned, dj-electric has given a very good suggestion I have quoted it below.



Just to add on what dj-electric has suggested.
I have done extensive testing on various video codecs, on Adobe CC, DaVinci Resolve, OBS, Handbrake and more.
The 10bit 4:2:2 video workflow is supported in hardware and accelerated beautifully on intel dGPU and iGPU.
I have personally tested 10bit 4:2:2 workflow on 11th Gen > CPUs with iGPUs and on Intel ARC (A770, A730M, A550M) and a bunch of Iris Xe laptops, short answer works great.
I suggest for your workflow; Intel GPU is where you want to be.

Thanks for sharing your test results. Very much appreciate.
I tried searching for The Intel Arc A580E and Intel Arc A750E but wasn't able to find them. Are they release yet and I just somehow missed them? I did search on Amazon, Newegg, and BandHPhoto for them. Seems like it would be nice to have the 16 GB of VRAM if possible.

 

[dgianstefani]

GPU running in x8 doesn't matter. Limiting to 600 MB/s might though.

 

[Selaya]

buying (used) 960 pro (or 970 pro, but these only come in 1tb flavors) is probably a better idea than buying 990 pro bc the 960/970 pro were the last actual mlc drives, they actually have higher sustained sequential writes, and you'll be doing alot of them when you're video editing

alternative is you go look at datacenter drives, you might find something better ... and more expensive.

 

[Stephen.]

Seems like it would be nice to have the 16 GB of VRAM if possible.

Here links from newegg ASRock Arc A770 16 GB
ASRock Challenger Arc A770 16GB $229.99
ASRock Phantom Gaming Arc A770 16GB $279.99

Any of the above would handle your workflow very well.
I would keep an eye on the Intel Arc B580 12GB just released 12th Dec 2024 yesterday.
Though from the specs the media engine in the battlemage appears to be the same as the one found in alchemist.

Another thing to look out for if you are working with 4K footage or higher, more than 8GB VRAM will come in handy, I have exceeded 8GB VRAM in almost all occasions when editing 4K footage, mostly between 10GB - 14GB.

 

[Justavideoguy]

GPU running in x8 doesn't matter. Limiting to 600 MB/s might though.

dgianstefani thanks for responding. I am not nearly as technical as many on this forum, so I have to google/youtube a lot to try to get up to speed on things. I wasn't sure what the 600 MB/s limit would be referring to. I tried to figure it out but came up short. Can you give a little more detail?

I did watch this video at 5:10 (he explained what connections/lanes were shared which I think I understood but he didn't talk about the speed limitations. When I looked up speeds they all seem to be in the GB rather than the MB for speed transfer so I figured I would be ok even when shared.

I did watch this video and figured that maybe the speed limitation would not impact it since he raided (4) M.2 drives and got the following speeds which exceeded 600 MB/s. He did seem to be disappointed with the results so may be speed is being limited, and I just don't understand it well enough. He also mentioned that maybe some other settings could be changed to help improve the speed, but I am not really sure what speeds would be expected in that situation or settings that would be needed to change that. He did have to troubleshoot to get it to work and he is above my level of technical skills, so I did have concern on actually getting it to work myself.

Results are shown at 2:55:59

Having the extra speed, I am sure would be nice but if it's not recommended or limiting anyways than probably the SSD would be a better option for me.

I would think the GPU since I am using a single video card, and I think it isn't sharing the same channels as the M.2 storage (except for maybe the main O/S drive) I would be ok. I am just taking my best guess so let me know if I am completely off on my assumptions.

 

[Justavideoguy]

buying (used) 960 pro (or 970 pro, but these only come in 1tb flavors) is probably a better idea than buying 990 pro bc the 960/970 pro were the last actual mlc drives, they actually have higher sustained sequential writes, and you'll be doing alot of them when you're video editing

alternative is you go look at datacenter drives, you might find something better ... and more expensive.

Thanks Selaya. Great technical information as I didn't know about the higher sustained sequential writes. I am hesitant on used, refurbished, or renewed since of those that I know have purchased other tech in those categories happen to have higher failure rates down the road earlier on and 1 TB would be a bit small for my use case. I am concerned with such stability in purchasing in that market. I hope that in the long term for less problems that way, but I will never know that true answer since it would be in hindsight. Sounds like the industry moved away from better quality mlc drives which is too bad to hear.

I plan to use the Seagate Exos (ST20000NM007D) which I believe is considered a datacenter drive to archive my projects. I don't think these drives are built necessarily for speed performance but more for stability. Hopefully I picked a good one.

 

[dgianstefani]

dgianstefani thanks for responding. I am not nearly as technical as many on this forum, so I have to google/youtube a lot to try to get up to speed on things. I wasn't sure what the 600 MB/s limit would be referring to. I tried to figure it out but came up short. Can you give a little more detail?

I did watch this video at 5:10 (he explained what connections/lanes were shared which I think I understood but he didn't talk about the speed limitations. When I looked up speeds they all seem to be in the GB rather than the MB for speed transfer so I figured I would be ok even when shared.

I did watch this video and figured that maybe the speed limitation would not impact it since he raided (4) M.2 drives and got the following speeds which exceeded 600 MB/s. He did seem to be disappointed with the results so may be speed is being limited, and I just don't understand it well enough. He also mentioned that maybe some other settings could be changed to help improve the speed, but I am not really sure what speeds would be expected in that situation or settings that would be needed to change that. He did have to troubleshoot to get it to work and he is above my level of technical skills, so I did have concern on actually getting it to work myself.

Results are shown at 2:55:59

Having the extra speed, I am sure would be nice but if it's not recommended or limiting anyways than probably the SSD would be a better option for me.

I would think the GPU since I am using a single video card, and I think it isn't sharing the same channels as the M.2 storage (except for maybe the main O/S drive) I would be ok. I am just taking my best guess so let me know if I am completely off on my assumptions.

600 MB/s is the limit for SATA drives.

 

[Justavideoguy]

Here links from newegg ASRock Arc A770 16 GB
ASRock Challenger Arc A770 16GB $229.99
ASRock Phantom Gaming Arc A770 16GB $279.99

Any of the above would handle your workflow very well.
I would keep an eye on the Intel Arc B580 12GB just released 12th Dec 2024 yesterday.
Though from the specs the media engine in the battlemage appears to be the same as the one found in alchemist.

Another thing to look out for if you are working with 4K footage or higher, more than 8GB VRAM will come in handy, I have exceeded 8GB VRAM in almost all occasions when editing 4K footage, mostly between 10GB - 14GB.

Thanks Stephen. Information Gold.
Definitely appreciated you sharing your experience with the components, testing results, and being a user of very similar type of footage for video editing which is the use case I intent to use the system for. Very valuable info.

I work with 4K footage but nothing higher than that yet (no 5K or 8K) but considering the footage being edited is at 4K 4:2:2 10 bit at 120 fps I am guessing that the 8GB and even likely the 12 GB VRAM maybe a little low especially since you are seeing it using up to 14 GB on your system.
Seems like the ASRock Phantom Gaming Arc A770 is currently likely my best option since it seems like it supports the footage natively when most other video cards do not.
Unfortunately, that particular video card model isn't listed on the mobo capability list which I tend to rely on heavily, but the other video cards don't seem to have native support or not enough GB in VRAM. It seems like the Phantom card is the best option for my use so I think my new upgraded system should likely include it. Maybe Asus didn't get a chance to test/approve it when it could be fine.

Is there any other considerations or options I should look at on the build?
Thanks in advance.

 

[Justavideoguy]

600 MB/s is the limit for SATA drives.

dgianstefani​

I forgot to add the speed chart from the video using the raid m.2 drives.

 

[Justavideoguy]

600 MB/s is the limit for SATA drives.

dgianstefani​

Thanks for details.

 

[Harlow]

Yes, you are correct, I was planning on using RAID 0 but mainly to get some more storage for active working files/projects all in one place.

Moderators on other web sites warn against RAID in most home systems unless you have at least two backups of your data elsewhere. This is especially true when you are considering striping data across several drives.

The advantage of one big 12TB M.2 repository (3 x 4TB RAID0) is offset by the likelihood a fault on any drive could destroy all your data. I stick to non-RAID drives in my video rig. Personally, I'd use the three 4TB M.2 data drives as separate entities, i.e. not striped. I have four multi hard disk RAID-Z2 TrueNAS Core servers for archive use. They stay switched off most of the time.

The same applies to using a single 20TB hard disk. Too many eggs in one basket? If you were to split your archive over two 10TB drives, if one disk fails, a replacement will cost roughly 50% that of a 20TB drive, plus only half the data needs to be retrieved from backup.

Somebody posted here a few months ago with ten SSDs in RAID 0 to achieve a 10x sequential read/write speed increase over a single drive. They were also using 100Gbit NICs. One of two enormously expensive rigs for a video editingh system (money no object) but presumably good for 4K to 8K video work?

My main use for Topaz was to de-bounce approximately 50 old DAT video tapes recorded on a Sony HD anamorphic camcorder from 2007. Recorded in the back of a Willis jeep and pickup trucks travelling on rough roards, the optical image stabilization was incapable of limiting violent movement. Back in late 2022/early 2023, Topaz Video AI seemed the easiest solution to creating more stable video, retaining full frame (as opposed to cropping) by the judicious and fairly successful use of AI, to create missing information at the edge of each frame from earlier/later frames. Topaz also had rolling shutter correction. At first (in 2022/2023) Topaz would crash 30 seconds into one video where the vehicle rounded a sharp corner and the image panned rapidly. After 6 months, Topaz fixed this bug. Processed results are better than the DAT originals, but nowhere near the silky smoothness of modern 4K GoPro video shot on the same rough roads.

if you need more GPU RAM, sell the car/house/kids and buy a few of these cards. Topaz can handle multiple GPUs, including the iGPU in a typical CPU. The A6000 is steal starting at roughly US $5000:
https://www.amazon.com/PNY-VCNRTXA6...=se&keywords=a6000+48gb&qid=1734166843&sr=8-1

Seriously though, more GPUs are being produced with 16GB to 24GB. I'd suggest a minimum of 16GB for 4K work. I'm happy with 12GB on my new 4070 because I only edit 1080p and upscale to 4K. I'm leaving the long 4K clips on the new GoPro pretty much as they are for the time being.

 

[Justavideoguy]

Thanks, Harlow, for the wealth of great information. I currently back up on 2 separate external hard drives which is what takes more time than I would like it to. However, I do value stability and your input so I think I will pass on raiding the internal drives and just stick with using them as separate drives to reduce the risk and improve the stability. I can just organize my storage of projects as separate entities as suggested. Thanks for the pro tip.

Based on your feedback I am now thinking for storage as the following.
1 - M.2 drive (4 TB) for the O/S and applications.
1 - M.2 drive for media cache/scratch/temp
3 - M.2 drives for active files. (Not raided)
1 - M.2 drive (4 TB) for Only active files related to Project A.
1 - M.2 drive (4 TB) for Only active files related to Project B.
1 - M.2 drive (4 TB) for Only active files related to Project C.
1 - HDD (20TB) - All active and non-active (archive) files from Project A, B, and C.
1 - HDD (6TB) - Program installation files, documents, misc. (Word/Excel) files (Note: I think I have a drive I can reuse)
2 - External hard drives (I likely can use my existing backup drives for now)
1. Back Up A - All active and non-active (archive) files from Project A, B, and C.
Also includes programs installation files, documents, misc. (Word/Excel) files
1. Back Up B - All active and non active (archive) files from Project A, B, and C.
Also includes programs installation files, documents, misc. (Word/Excel) files

The 10x SSD drive raid sounds cool. Wish I had a no object budget rather than I feel like I need to sell some blood or something in order to just pay for those rises in GPU costs over the years.

Topaz AI has come a long way and so has the action cam market like the GoPro and DJI. New tech is so amazing. Sounds like you have been working on some cool projects.

That GPU is a dream. It wants to be in my system, but my wallet said no.
Based a lot on your input, others insights from the forum, and Stephen's workflow which is a similar type of footage as well I think I need to upgrade my card to have 16 GB. I would like more but I think my wallet is going to veto getting more than 16 GB unless I win the lotto soon. Thanks again for the insights.