ASRock Arc B580 Steel Legend

[Macro Device]

8800 XT perhaps (next year).

I no longer buy AMD GPUs. They are dead to me. Underdelivery on all possible fronts.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Underdelivery on all possible fronts.

I would not say that. My biggest complaint about Radeon is the driver control panel. Needs more fine-grained settings controls that over-ride the settings for any game, regardless of API. Needs more of them and they need to be more expansive. NVidia is much better in this area but still has it's problems. Intel too has limitations, but one could argue it's better than AMD. The actual performance of Radeon is good and the price is reasonable, but they're not longer the better value option with the release of this card.

 

[Macro Device]

The actual performance of Radeon is good

If you are to ignore everything that's not games that are based on obsolete engines then this is somewhat correct. Radeons completely suck at professional workloads. Radeons can't do RT; no, whose RT is slow is NVIDIA, the AMD's one is non-existent. FSR is still plagued with all sorts of TAA instability, also severely lacking in other fields of image fidelity. XeSS "runs" painfully slow on AMD GPUs. We're into 90+ % NVIDIA's market share and AMD still do a whole lot of nothing about it. There's no distinctive discount. There is no killer feature to be present. There is absolutely nothing useful (for an average Joe that is) that AMD GPUs can do and non-AMD ones cannot do. Only some extremely niche advantages.

the price is reasonable

It was. Like, 10 years ago and before that. Now their GPUs are priced way too close to NV ones. Like, a 7800 XT was launched at 500 dollars against a 600 dollar 4070. AMD fans might argue that it's more than 20% better performance per price ratio but it's also: worse RT, worse productivity, worse control panel, worse energy efficiency, worse feature set, worse game support (Alan Wake 2, for example, stuttered hard on AMD GPUs at higher resolutions despite running smoothly even on lower tier NVIDIA GPUs). And every time you need upscaling (and you need it to be brutally frank, games are really heavy on GPUs these days) you just outright hurt your eyes with FSR.

And an even bigger issue is that AMD are behaving like it's completely fine, like the course of their actions is totally adequate and the ship sinking like the Titanic is a part of the plan. What plan, only they do know. Should've never bought ATi. AMD just cannot manage their graphics division efficiently. I have zero hope that upcoming Radeons will change anything. Not little, zero.

 

[lexluthermiester]

If you are to ignore everything that's not games that are based on obsolete engines then this is somewhat correct. Radeons completely suck at professional workloads. Radeons can't do RT; no, whose RT is slow is NVIDIA, the AMD's one is non-existent. FSR is still plagued with all sorts of TAA instability, also severely lacking in other fields of image fidelity. XeSS "runs" painfully slow on AMD GPUs. We're into 90+ % NVIDIA's market share and AMD still do a whole lot of nothing about it. There's no distinctive discount. There is no killer feature to be present. There is absolutely nothing useful (for an average Joe that is) that AMD GPUs can do and non-AMD ones cannot do. Only some extremely niche advantages.

It was. Like, 10 years ago and before that. Now their GPUs are priced way too close to NV ones. Like, a 7800 XT was launched at 500 dollars against a 600 dollar 4070. AMD fans might argue that it's more than 20% better performance per price ratio but it's also: worse RT, worse productivity, worse control panel, worse energy efficiency, worse feature set, worse game support (Alan Wake 2, for example, stuttered hard on AMD GPUs at higher resolutions despite running smoothly even on lower tier NVIDIA GPUs). And every time you need upscaling (and you need it to be brutally frank, games are really heavy on GPUs these days) you just outright hurt your eyes with FSR.

And an even bigger issue is that AMD are behaving like it's completely fine, like the course of their actions is totally adequate and the ship sinking like the Titanic is a part of the plan. What plan, only they do know. Should've never bought ATi. AMD just cannot manage their graphics division efficiently. I have zero hope that upcoming Radeons will change anything. Not little, zero.

Ah, so you're going to ignore the benchmarks then?

 

[Macro Device]

Ah, so you're going to ignore the benchmarks then?

What benchmarks? Those showing that the vast majority of recent titles are anything but issue-free on Radeons? These I would've loved to ignore but unfortunately, I don't own an RTX GPU to do that.

 

[lexluthermiester]

What benchmarks? Those showing that the vast majority of recent titles are anything but issue-free on Radeons? These I would've loved to ignore but unfortunately, I don't own an RTX GPU to do that.

You're on a site that has many, many GPU reviews. Seriously. Hell, THIS very review shows the Radeons are competitive. You can't ignore that fact and expect any of us to take you seriously..

 

[Macro Device]

the Radeons are competitive

RX 7600 being a quarter slower is competitive. Noted.

RX 7800 XT failing to significantly outperform a similarly priced GPU that dismantles it in anything that's not pure raster is competitive. Noted.

RX 7900 XTX trailing behind a sorry chunk of a GPU aka RTX 4080 is competitive. Also noted.

See, there's the thing. These are performance benchmarks run with no upscaling enabled. Usually, DLSS P matches or beats FSR Q in terms of visuals. The higher the resolution the bigger the advantage. Do I really need to explain how faster DLSS P is compared to FSR Q?

Lemme see the RT benchmarks...

Ah, yeah, trailing behind a couple tier lower SKU. Nice!

2080 Ti is ancient! HELLO!

Oh, and power efficiency...

Vast majority are NVIDIA cards.

Radeons are not competitive. Battlemage GPUs are.

 

[lexluthermiester]

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RX 7600 being a quarter slower is competitive. Noted.
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RX 7800 XT failing to significantly outperform a similarly priced GPU that dismantles it in anything that's not pure raster is competitive. Noted.
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RX 7900 XTX trailing behind a sorry chunk of a GPU aka RTX 4080 is competitive. Also noted.

See, there's the thing. These are performance benchmarks run with no upscaling enabled. Usually, DLSS P matches or beats FSR Q in terms of visuals. The higher the resolution the bigger the advantage. Do I really need to explain how faster DLSS P is compared to FSR Q?

Lemme see the RT benchmarks...
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Ah, yeah, trailing behind a couple tier lower SKU. Nice!
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2080 Ti is ancient! HELLO!

Oh, and power efficiency...
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Vast majority are NVIDIA cards.

Nice cherry picking..

Battlemage GPUs are.

True!

Radeons are not competitive.

Not true. Context is important. What do you think you're missing?

Also, those benchmarks include the current Radeon and Geforce cards, both about 2 years old at the moment. Both are about to be eclipsed by the newest gen iterations, RX8000 and RTX5000 respectively.

Being excited for these new offerings from Intel is one thing. Losing objectivity is another..

 

[AcE]

Radeons can't do RT; no, whose RT is slow is NVIDIA, the AMD's one is non-existent.

Doesn't make sense.

Prior to Nvidia RT was ultra slow and calculated via CPU in software, not real time, far from it, extremely slow, calculating ONE PICTURE at a time in MINUTES, instead of xx FPS like GPUs do nowadays in ONE SECOND.

Radeon's cant do RT? What a joke statement is that? They do plenty RT, just not as good as Nvidia. Compared again to software CPU like prior to 2018, it's extremely fast RT, what you say makes actually zero sense.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Radeon's cant do RT? What a joke statement is that? They do plenty RT, just not as good as Nvidia.

This! Radeon RT performance is very good. It requires proper management of settings to find the right balance on a per-game basis, but it is good all the same. BattleMage likewise shows a very good RT performance, which is impressive in it's own right. Both fall behind NVidia but not by a whole lot.

 

[Macro Device]

Nice cherry picking..

Yeah, averages at 4K are definitely the most cherry picked option to go for since it's the least likely to be CPU bottlenecked. Eh, what if I have only gone for titles where AMD GPUs shine... Oh wait, there's none!

Context is important

Low budget gamers: they need playable FPS. It's impossible without upscaling. FSR sucks big time. AMD GPUs lost.
Average budget gamers: they need comfortable FPS and some RT perhaps. Not always possible without upscaling. AMD GPUs lost again.
High budget gamers: they need all bells and whistles. Don't exist in AMD GPUs.

Like, y'know, AMD GPUs suck in all price tiers, in all games, in all non-gaming scenarios. No matter how badly overpriced and gimped the NVIDIA offerings are (and they truly are a quadruple shitshow if we're being soft with words), the AMD GPUs are even worse.

Being excited for these new offerings from Intel is one thing.

Excited and me are the opposites. I'm barely fine with what B580 is achieving. Better than I expected but not good enough to excite me. Still a lot of drawbacks.

Losing objectivity is another..

Yeah and can't say I have ever had one. I have my personal eyes and my very brain which had been exposed to all sorts of side-by-side AMD VS NVIDIA testing when I had an RTX 3060 on hands to do that. There was no 2020s game to make my 6700 XT (a higher tier SKU) a clear winner. Yes, sure, on cherry picked settings (aka no upscaling, no frame gen), my GPU showed more FPS and all that stuff but generally... My eyes and my brain liked what 3060 was doing a little bit more.

Radeon's cant do RT?

Yes, they can't. Step back from your monitor and see how real lighting in real world works. Then go back to whatever RT game you're playing and enable the highest possible RT settings. If your geometry vision exists you will notice it's not even remotely realistic. Realistic would've taken about 50 times more computing power (if not more) so I'm standing by my point. Current state of RT is rubbish and AMD GPUs (as well as lower tier NV ones) cannot do RT.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah, averages at 4K are definitely the most cherry picked option to go for since it's the least likely to be CPU bottlenecked.

While that's fair, it's not reflection of what most gamers are going to be doing. Most gamers are still on 1080p, some have moved to 1440p. So those are the numbers you should be looking at unless you're on 4k.

Don't exist in AMD GPUs.

Not true, but I'm not going to debate that point as it's VERY subjective.

Excited and me are the opposites. I'm barely fine with what B580 is achieving. Better than I expected but not good enough to excite me. Still a lot of drawbacks.

No one is saying they're perfect, but this is an outstanding performance from Intel. This is the best that Intel's GFX has ever done and it is a very compelling shout for the money, even when compared to the offerings from AMD & NVidia.

 

[AcE]

Yes, they can't.

No, I'm gonna stop you there, they absolutely can. Learn a bit more about tech before participating here, that's basic knowledge kinda.

 

[Dave65]

I like the looks of this one. AsRock has a winner!

If I can find one for msrp i'll get one to play around with.

 

[RandallFlagg]

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RX 7600 being a quarter slower is competitive. Noted.
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RX 7800 XT failing to significantly outperform a similarly priced GPU that dismantles it in anything that's not pure raster is competitive. Noted.
View attachment 375682
RX 7900 XTX trailing behind a sorry chunk of a GPU aka RTX 4080 is competitive. Also noted.

See, there's the thing. These are performance benchmarks run with no upscaling enabled. Usually, DLSS P matches or beats FSR Q in terms of visuals. The higher the resolution the bigger the advantage. Do I really need to explain how faster DLSS P is compared to FSR Q?

Lemme see the RT benchmarks...
View attachment 375683
Ah, yeah, trailing behind a couple tier lower SKU. Nice!
View attachment 375684
2080 Ti is ancient! HELLO!

Oh, and power efficiency...
View attachment 375685
Vast majority are NVIDIA cards.

Radeons are not competitive. Battlemage GPUs are.

Now do the 7700 XT.

 

[catulitechup]

This channel dedicated to intel arc gpus show some videos about this asrock B580 vs A770/A750

 

[HairyLobsters]

Think we'll ever seen an Intel GPU from the big players like ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Think we'll ever seen an Intel GPU from the big players like ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI?

Who cares? Sparkle and AsRock are going to become "big players" in the GPU market sector very soon.

 

[RandallFlagg]

This channel dedicated to intel arc gpus show some videos about this asrock B580 vs A770/A750

Power efficiency gains on the B580 are wild.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Power efficiency gains on the B580 are wild.

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Yeah! W1z showed that as well. Intel has a winner with BattleMage. The reviews for the upper class GPUs remain to be seen, but there is no reason to believe they will not be equally impressive.

 

[lukart]

I no longer buy AMD GPUs. They are dead to me. Underdelivery on all possible fronts.

I think AMD marketing is to blame, they could have easily made this gen much better if they had position it right.
Where intel with B850 I think it actually surprised for the positive.

 

[HairyLobsters]

Who cares? Sparkle and AsRock are going to become "big players" in the GPU market sector very soon.

The quality isn't there.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The quality isn't there.

Utter Moose Muffins! AsRock is known for great quality parts. Really with that?

 

[Blue4130]

The quality isn't there.

Have any proof of that? Or is it all just in your head? (rhetorical - I already know the answer)

 

[Super XP]

I want an actual upgrade over my 6700 XT.

The Radeon RX 8700xt is that upgrade. Or even the 8800xt, price dependent.

I no longer buy AMD GPUs. They are dead to me. Underdelivery on all possible fronts.

Your loss.