AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT & RX 9070 Custom Models In Stock at European Stores

[Jtuck9]

I sold my GTX 1070 Ti this week within 10 minutes of it being listed. Just gotta think about that.

Sell my m.2 drive me for please (I have an brand new / unused / boxed drive I can't seem to get rid of)

 

[JustBenching]

What features? If it's CUDA, you're probably right, although I don't know why a gamer should care.

DLSS, Reflex, broadcast (yes, it works way better than amds solution), gamestream (which is guttered now tbf - nvidia removed it from their new APP!!). I can go on man

Everything below the 4080 has terrible RT performance. Even Nvidia cards.

Not true, and not relevant. AMD's are even worse, so naturally, that should reflect in the prices. Think about it the other way around. If the XTX had the same RT performance as the 4080, wouldn't that make it mor expensive than it currently is? Obviously, yes. So it makes sense for the 4080 to be more expensive than the XTX.

What does that mean? My user experience with AMD cards has been spotless, with the exception of the 5700 XT, which had its flaws coming from being a botched Asus ROG Strix more than anything.

Great, mine hasn't. Your experience being great doesn't help me fix the issues. Do you want me to go through a list? It will be endless. Issues I had for 2 years now were resolved in a driver release on March / April of 2024. I had the card since 2021.....

 

[Dr. Dro]

Dr. Lisa Su is extremely charismatic as well (or maybe im just weird). I love her presentations etc. She just doesn't have the product to back her up when it comes to GPUs.

Which just shows how poorly executed marketing is at AMD. They could follow Jensen's recipe to the letter with extreme success. They would have issues selling ice cold cans of Coca-Cola in the middle of a scorching desert. It's that bad.

 

[AusWolf]

DLSS, Reflex, broadcast (yes, it works way better than amds solution), gamestream (which is guttered now tbf - nvidia removed it from their new APP!!). I can go on man

Because FSR and Anti-Lag don't exist, and everybody is suddenly a streamer now, of course.

Another part of the story is that I don't think anybody should rely on upscaling with a new GPU, but that's just my opinion.

Not true, and not relevant. AMD's are even worse, so naturally, that should reflect in the prices. Think about it the other way around. If the XTX had the same RT performance as the 4080, wouldn't that make it mor expensive than it currently is? Obviously, yes. So it makes sense for the 4080 to be more expensive than the XTX.

Did I mention that the 7900 XTX is cheaper? I'm sure I can live with 5% worse performance that I cannot even detect without an FPS counter for a much lower price.

And yes, RT is rubbish on any midrange or lower card.

Great, mine hasn't. Your experience being great doesn't help me fix the issues. Do you want me to go through a list? It will be endless. Issues I had for 2 years now were resolved in a driver release on March / April of 2024. I had the card since 2021.....

We can give it a go. Many times I see people posting about their problems and others dismissing it as "crappy AMD driver, just buy Nvidia". And then it turns out that the GPU driver had nothing to do with it.

 

[JustBenching]

Which just shows how poorly executed marketing is at AMD. They could follow Jensen's recipe to the letter with extreme success. They would have issues selling ice cold cans of Coca-Cola in the middle of a scorching desert. It's that bad.

The anemic RT performance is the n1 reason they won't sell well is the problem. It makes sense, when like more than half the market is on ampere and ada, they won't just upgrade to a new GPU that is similar or worse in RT. It just doesn't make sense. You know it yourself - with your 3090 - was the 7900xtx even on the radar as an upgrade?

 

[Dr. Dro]

The anemic RT performance is the n1 reason they won't sell well is the problem. It makes sense, when like more than half the market is on ampere and ada, they won't just upgrade to a new GPU that is similar or worse in RT. It just doesn't make sense. You know it yourself - with your 3090 - was the 7900xtx even on the radar as an upgrade?

Yes, in fact I meant to upgrade to the 7900 XTX instead of the 4080. I got cold feet last minute, when I realized that I would never have a stable graphics card and I simply didn't wanna risk having my PC go belly up while I am doing important schoolwork. As it happens repeatedly with my AMD laptop.

 

[JustBenching]

Because FSR doesn't exist, and everybody is suddenly a streamer now, of course.

FSR is crap and what does a streamer have to do with it? Gamestream isn't for streamers, it's for streaming your game into another device. TV, handheld (switch included), phone, tablet etc.

Another part of the story is that I don't think anybody should rely on upscaling with a new GPU, but that's just my opinion.

Exactly, that's just your opinion. Nobody relies on it, they are using it because it either looks better or performs better (or both).

Did I mention that the 7900 XTX is cheaper? I'm sure I can live with 5% worse performance that I cannot even detect without an FPS counter for a much lower price.

And yes, RT is rubbish on any midrange or lower card.

RT being rubbish is again your opinion though. It is a flawed argument to say only the 4090 can do RT, simply because the 4090 targets a different resolution. If the 4090 can do RT at X resolution then it necessary follows that the 4070ti can also do RT in lower than X resolution.

We can give it a go. Many times I see people posting about their problems and others dismissing it as "crappy AMD driver, just buy Nvidia". And then it turns out that the GPU driver had nothing to do with it.

Since a GPU driver fixed a lot of the issues, it follows that it was a crappy driver.

 

[AusWolf]

Yes, in fact I meant to upgrade to the 7900 XTX instead of the 4080. I got cold feet last minute, when I realized that I would never have a stable graphics card and I simply didn't wanna risk having my PC go belly up while I am doing important schoolwork. As it happens repeatedly with my AMD laptop.

It's sad that it happens with your laptop, but it never happened to me with any RDNA 2 or 3 card.

Should I not buy Nvidia ever again just because my 2070 died after less than two years of use?

 

[TheGuruStud]

Yes, in fact I meant to upgrade to the 7900 XTX instead of the 4080. I got cold feet last minute, when I realized that I would never have a stable graphics card and I simply didn't wanna risk having my PC go belly up while I am doing important schoolwork. As it happens repeatedly with my AMD laptop.

blaming AMD for your trash oem laptop LOL. SEND IT BACK FOR A NEW ONE. But apparently you're not too smart.

 

[Jtuck9]

Maybe it doesn't play nice with your ambient temperatures?! I'm wondering when we'll start seeing the battle of the racks. I read Blackwell racks have been overheating...

 

[AusWolf]

FSR is crap

So is DLSS.

and what does a streamer have to do with it? Gamestream isn't for streamers, it's for streaming your game into another device. TV, handheld (switch included), phone, tablet etc.

Ah... I never heard anybody mention this feature before, so I didn't know. Not even from avid Nvidia fans online or in real life. So it's definitely not the feature they stick to Nvidia for.

Not to mention Steam has it, too, you don't need to buy a graphics card for it.

Edit: And you said it has been removed from the new app, so it's kind of a moot argument.

RT being rubbish is again your opinion though. It is a flawed argument to say only the 4090 can do RT, simply because the 4090 targets a different resolution. If the 4090 can do RT at X resolution then it necessary follows that the 4070ti can also do RT in lower than X resolution.

4070 at 1440p. Midrange card at a fairly normal resolution. Less than 40 fps. Yep, call me amazed.

 

[3valatzy]

It could have 96 gb of VRAM and it wouldn't make a difference. Those are specs. Specs are supposed to reflect on the performance. They do not. Latest review the XTX is lagging behind the 4080 even in raster.

This is a hardware at your disposal. You can have 3.5 GB geforce and using Nvidia's cheating, you will receive 60 FPS at 4K with 320p textures.

 

[JustBenching]

If you check the actual review you'll notice that the 4070ti at 1440p is faster than the 4090 at 4k. In rt. So you can't say anything below the 4090 can't do it. They can do it better in fact for the resolutions they are targeting.

 

[AusWolf]

If you check the actual review you'll notice that the 4070ti at 1440p is faster than the 4090 at 4k. In rt. So you can't say anything below the 4090 can't do it. They can do it better in fact for the resolutions they are targeting.

The 4090 sucking even worse at 4K than the 4070 at 1440p is no excuse. 39 FPS is 39 FPS all the same.

So no, I wouldn't buy any midrange card for RT. Not even Nvidia.

 

[JustBenching]

The 4090 sucking even worse at 4K than the 4070 at 1440p is no excuse. 39 FPS is 39 FPS all the same.

So no, I wouldn't buy any midrange card for RT. Not even Nvidia.

It's not about you though. You asked why is amd not selling. Sure, 5% of the market agrees with you, the other 95 does not.

Look at what amd focuses on this time around. RT and an improved FSR. The things you claim nobody should care about...

On one hand you supposedly want amd to sell better for whatever reason, but on the other hand you are not listening to people telling you why they aren't buying amd..

 

[AusWolf]

It's not about you though. You asked why is amd not selling.

And I still don't have a strong, definite answer. So please don't be offended if I'm still calling it mindshare.

 

[JustBenching]

And I still don't have a strong, definite answer. So please don't be offended if I'm still calling it mindshare.

Look at what they are focusing on. FSR and RT. The things that you are saying don't matter.

 

[wolf]

I did just back it up with real-world examples of people I personally know who would never want to see an AMD card in their PCs even for free. I don't know anyone who thinks the same from the other side.

But I guess I probably made it all up, and I'm lying because I have a personal agenda against Nvidia. Yeah, right...

My interpretation was you painting with a much more vague/broad brush on that one, but suffice to say you're far from the worst on that subject, and in the interest of no witch hunts and personal attacks I won't name a few of the users that regularly do here. I think you could easily guess at least one or two. I didn't even call you out specifically.

GeForce a "premium brand"... see, that's the mindshare/marketing talking, right there. There's nothing more premium about GeForce than Radeon. They're graphics cards. They play your games. That's it.

Others have covered it, I won't rehash it, yes GeForce is indeed viewed as more premium than Radeon for a variety of reasons. You don't agree, understood.

So is DLSS

Except it truly isn't crap, and the vast majority of the time I hear that take it's from someone who doesn't use it, which doesn't surprise me in the least. We've (the two of us specifically) certainly beaten that drum to death though, so I know where you stand, and I reiterate that I find opinion based on a much larger and more recent amount of experience with it far more credible ,as well as my own continued use and comparisons. I really hope FSR4 moves the needle at and least finds some parity with DLSS 3.8 CNN.

 

[AusWolf]

Look at what they are focusing on. FSR and RT. The things that you are saying don't matter.

Let's see if that changes things. I highly doubt it, but I won't mind being proven wrong.

 

[JustBenching]

Except it truly isn't crap, and the vast majority of the time I hear that take it's from someone who doesn't use it, which doesn't surprise me in the least. We've (the two of us specifically) certainly beaten that drum to death though, so I know where you stand, and I reiterate that I find opinion based on a much larger and more recent amount of experience with it far more credible ,as well as my own continued use and comparisons. I really hope FSR4 moves the needle at and least finds some parity with DLSS 3.8 CNN.

If someone from the dlss sucks bandwagon is willing to take a blind test, I'll be the first to admit that I must be then blind. But an opinion not willing to be defendes with a blind test, yeah I just can't take it seriously. Anyone can claim anything, it's just words.

 

[Dr. Dro]

blaming AMD for your trash oem laptop LOL. SEND IT BACK FOR A NEW ONE. But apparently you're not too smart.

This is the type of behavior that makes people loathe AMD fans. Blaming the customer, and implying they're dumb. Blaming the product, blaming a third party, blaming the government or blaming like, idk granny next door. But never my beloved and cherished multi-billion-dollar international corporation. No sir! Not my amazing company!

 

[JustBenching]

Let's see if that changes things. I highly doubt it, but I won't mind being proven wrong.

Im willing to bet, if the 9070xt matches in RT and raster the 4070 - at the same price, it will sell.

Sorry meant 5070

This is the type of behavior that makes people loathe AMD fans. Blaming the customer, and implying they're dumb. Blaming the product, blaming a third party, blaming the government or blaming like, idk granny next door. But never my beloved and cherished multi-billion-dollar international corporation. No sir! Not my amazing company!

Install drivers, restart laptop, drivers gone. Install drivers, restart laptop, drivers gone. X4.

Then I decided to Google what the hell is going on. Turns out you need to disconnect from the internet or do some registry hacks to disable windows updates.

After you do all that and finally you manage to install adrenaline, oh well, adrenaline keeps waking up the dgpu even in eco mode, even on baterry, killing baterry life. A thing that they fixed 3 years later. Love it.

 

[AusWolf]

My interpretation was you painting with a much more vague/broad brush on that one, but suffice to say you're far from the worst on that subject, and in the interest of no witch hunts and personal attacks I won't name a few of the users that regularly do here. I think you could easily guess at least one or two. I didn't even call you out specifically.

I'm definitely not saying that only Nvidia has blind fans. It's only that I've seen way more of them than I have on team red.

Others have covered it, I won't rehash it, yes GeForce is indeed viewed as more premium than Radeon for a variety of reasons. You don't agree, understood.

I don't even see why GeForce is seen as a premium brand. The reasons I get are all kind of vague and up to personal choice. It's not as black and white as Ferrari being a premium brand, for example. And if it's not black and white, then it's not a premium brand, it's just marketing and reviewers trying to score some brownie points. When something is premium, you know why. With GeForce, you don't, you just guess.

Except it truly isn't crap, and the vast majority of the time I hear that take it's from someone who doesn't use it, which doesn't surprise me in the least. We've (the two of us specifically) certainly beaten that drum to death though, so I know where you stand, and I reiterate that I find opinion based on a much larger and more recent amount of experience with it far more credible ,as well as my own continued use and comparisons. I really hope FSR4 moves the needle at and least finds some parity with DLSS 3.8 CNN.

Yep, let's keep agreeing to disagree there.

Although, the same can be said from the other side - FSR 3 really isn't as bad as FSR 1 was, but that somehow doesn't matter.

Im willing to bet, if the 9070xt matches in RT and raster the 4070 - at the same price, it will sell.

Sorry meant 5070

Let's see. Like I said, I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

Install drivers, restart laptop, drivers gone. Install drivers, restart laptop, drivers gone. X4.

Then I decided to Google what the hell is going on. Turns out you need to disconnect from the internet or do some registry hacks to disable windows updates.

That's just Windows Update messing with you, it's not AMD's fault.

After you do all that and finally you manage to install adrenaline, oh well, adrenaline keeps waking up the dgpu even in eco mode, even on baterry, killing baterry life. A thing that they fixed 3 years later. Love it.

That is really some driver oddity, that's true. Glad they fixed it.

Did you try assigning your programs to be run on different GPUs?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Im willing to bet, if the 9070xt matches in RT and raster the 4070 - at the same price, it will sell.


Install drivers, restart laptop, drivers gone. Install drivers, restart laptop, drivers gone. X4.

Then I decided to Google what the hell is going on. Turns out you need to disconnect from the internet or do some registry hacks to disable windows updates.

After you do all that and finally you manage to install adrenaline, oh well, adrenaline keeps waking up the dgpu even in eco mode, even on baterry, killing baterry life. A thing that they fixed 3 years later. Love it.

Amongst other issues. The problem I have is chronic to Vega and it affects APUs too. Happened back in the day with my Vega dGPUs and it still happens today. Hardware acceleration for video playback is utterly broken, whether to bad driver code or a hardware design fault. As a result, any embedded YouTube video on any page while browsing with hardware acceleration enabled may cause the system to TDR, it's unpredictable and it will never be fixed.

End of the day, that fellow is right, I'm not too smart because I did end up buying the AMD version of my laptop back then. Should have just gotten the Intel version. But that was 4 years ago and back then I wasn't as unhappy with them as I am nowadays.

 

[JustBenching]

I'm definitely not saying that only Nvidia has blind fans. It's only that I've seen way more of them than I have on team red.

Well now. Content creators themselves have openly admitted the exact opposite. Like very openly. That the internet is so full of vocal amd fans that they have to make "nvidia / Intel is crap" content cause the clicks are through the roof with those.

Always has been btw. Guru3d back in the day had to remove their 720p gaming benchmarks cause zen 1 fans reacted negatively. Very negatively. I was shocked, I knew things were bad but not that bad.

Amongst other issues. The problem I have is chronic to Vega and it affects APUs too. Happened back in the day with my Vega dGPUs and it still happens today. Hardware acceleration for video playback is utterly broken, whether to bad driver code or a hardware design fault. As a result, any embedded YouTube video on any page while browsing with hardware acceleration enabled may cause the system to TDR, it's unpredictable and it will never be fixed.

End of the day, that fellow is right, I'm not too smart because I did end up buying the AMD version of my laptop back then. Should have just gotten the Intel version. But that was 4 years ago and back then I wasn't as unhappy with them as I am nowadays.

You mean stuttering? It happens on my 680m as well, it's not just Vega.