NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition Unboxing

[LittleBro]

No...?

Prove me wrong. Go ahead. I want data, not your thoughts.

 

[umeng2002]

Ink must be very expensive.

 

[JustBenching]

Prove me wrong. Go ahead. I want data, not your thoughts.

To be honest with you, I don't particular care whether you believe me or not. Ill say this and then just move on, whether you accept it or not.

When you GPU bottlenecked, CPU prepares frames faster than the GPU renders them. So CPU prepares frame 1 in 10 ms, frame 2 in 20 ms, frame 3 in 30 ms. GPU takes 30 ms to render frame 1, so by the time it's done frame 3 is already in queue. So now it starts preparing frame 2, that's already 60 ms. Then it's frame 3, now we are at 90 ms. That's what reflex stops from happening, it "syncs" the GPU with the CPU, that's why your fps drops when you enable reflex, cause instead of both the cpu and gpu spitting frames as fast as possible, they make sure to prepare and render one at a time combined.

 

[danc]

Neural rendering is the future towards full path tracing quickly.
As long as we can 60fps base and low input lag, MFG works like magic!

 

[evernessince]

That's not really a logical argument. There are also plenty of people who can afford such luxuries and are willing to pay for them. Chastising people on the forums for their buying choices is never a good platform to pitch your argument. The same applies to those who 'poverty' shame others for not paying more to get a better card.

Is the card worth the money? Not by a functional metric, but Nvidia pitch it as a halo product. It's just how it is. And blaming individuals for purchasing it is futile, especially when they get bought by businesses en masse.

It's not supposed to be logical but that doesn't change the fact that it is real and common. Not sure what the rest of your comment is on about, I don't opinionate buying choices in my comment at all. You seem to be under the impression that by me pointing out a psychological phenomenon I'm stating my opinion, which couldn't be further from the truth. That was not my opinion, go and look the term up, there are dozens of articles on the observation of it.

 

[RedelZaVedno]

HardwareUnboxed between the lines basically said 5090 = 4090 + 25% performance for +25% more $$$. So zero performance per dollar increase gen to gen. A total shitshow if true

 

[Corvette987]

This slide is an incredible scam, why on earth at 35fps native resolution would I have 140ms of latency and not 30ms?
My god Nvidia, my goodness...

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Because there are a huge number of factors that impact latency outside of frame rate. Most games at 60fps have close to 75-100ms of total latency. Digital Foundry did an analysis of several fps games a few years ago:

Input lag tested: COD vs Battlefield - which is the most responsive FPS?

Input lag - it's a crucial factor in defining the 'feel' of a game, and especially important for gameplay in the first-…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[Steevo]

Made in China, but they can’t sell it there??!!!

 

[G777]

Exactly, it is NOT something we can't live or game without.

I disagree. Upscalers in general are innovations that allow us to work around hardware limitations to achieve higher image quality for a given performance level. It's more cost-effective than brute-forcing with more compute, where the dimishing returns are becoming more and more evident. It also allows developers to implement innovative but computational-expensive techniques such as real-time path tracing into games that would not otherwise be practical to run on existing hardware.

Of course, you still have the option to not use upscalers, as long as you're fine with running your games at a lower image quality level and/or frame rate.

 

[Grebber01]

Reviews date?

 

[The Von Matrices]

I'm most interested in whether it is using liquid metal TIM or conventional paste. If it's using liquid metal, then it's going to be complicated to replace a stock air cooler with a water block.

 

[evernessince]

I'm most interested in whether it is using liquid metal TIM or conventional paste. If it's using liquid metal, then it's going to be complicated to replace a stock air cooler with a water block.

It's using Liquid Metal. GN did a video with an Nvidia rep on the cooling solution. They have a triple gasket to prevent the LM from leaking out. Getting a block on the FE is going to be difficult, you are better off going with an AIB card.

 

[The Von Matrices]

It's using Liquid Metal. GN did a video with an Nvidia rep on the cooling solution. They have a triple gasket to prevent the LM from leaking out. Getting a block on the FE is going to be difficult, you are better off going with an AIB card.

Even if it's an AIB, if the AIB is using liquid metal, doesn't that make it very difficult to replace the cooler?

 

[evernessince]

Even if it's an AIB, if the AIB is using liquid metal, doesn't that make it very difficult to replace the cooler?

I'm not sure if all AIBs are using liquid metal on all SKUs but of those that are I see many of them advertising protection around the GPU die and even triple coating the entire PCB. Should remove the risk when replacing the LM.

 

[Chrispy_]

LOL

"We're not allowed to teardown our review sample, so here's detailed photos of a teardown anyway"

What exactly are Nvidia hoping to achieve with the 'no teardowns' rule, exactly? Please don't tell me there's yet another press cycle reserved for teardown embargos just to completely tire everyone out with a flood of useless Nvidia news that tells us nothing about the all-important performance.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

LOL

"We're not allowed to teardown our review sample, so here's detailed photos of a teardown anyway"

What exactly are Nvidia hoping to achieve with the 'no teardowns' rule, exactly?

Balls of metal not running around and shorting and destroying stuff. Liquid metal is no joke. You can have a small drop seep into your fancy alu case or cooler fin and it just crumbles.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I am amazed at how thin it is, considered the extremely high TDP. It's almost wasteful to see this level of engineering used on a model with such limited regional availability as the FE first-party card.

"Inspired by Gamers." Shouldn't it be "Inspired by rich Gamers"? Or "Inspired by profits from previous generation flagship that was never really intended to be sold as gaming GPU at first place and was 95% of time used to accelerate neural networks."?

It is the rich gamers that facilitate the development of technology that poor gamers will experience down the road. But I hear that a lot of people don't actually believe in trickle-down economics of any form, so I don't know what to tell you

What exactly are Nvidia hoping to achieve with the 'no teardowns' rule, exactly? Please don't tell me there's yet another press cycle reserved for teardown embargos just to completely tire everyone out with a flood of useless Nvidia news that tells us nothing about the all-important performance.

Probably keep the hype train going. Kind of the same reason AMD is letting speculation over their 9070 cards run wild.

 

[Outback Bronze]

but they've made it look far more refined that the 4090FE.

Yep agreed, was going to say it looks way more sleeker.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

... It's almost wasteful to see this level of engineering used on a model with such limited regional availability as the FE first-party card.

On the other hand, other card producers could not compete with this card at MSRP, if it was widely available in large numbers.

 

[DaddyDanjer]

Could someone with a more technical mind than mine help me understand how one would water cool the PCB? It seems like that angled power connector would get in the way of a water block, or did they purposefully design the FEs not to be water cooled?

 

[chrcoluk]

Its good they recognised 4 slot cards are a joke and got it down to a reasonable width. Looks much better.
However I wont give them praise for figuring things out on the angled adaptor, they already did that with Ampere, and basically are undoing the brain fart on the 40 series right angled connector.
Adaptor now seems to have cable mod style cables, looks way more flexible and sleeker.
Wonder if we will start seeing these sleeker adaptors for sale, they could probably pull 50 dollars or so on the market.

 

[Chrispy_]

Could someone with a more technical mind than mine help me understand how one would water cool the PCB? It seems like that angled power connector would get in the way of a water block, or did they purposefully design the FEs not to be water cooled?

Honestly, the angled power connector isn't even close to the biggest issue for watercooling. The power connector being angled just changes the angle that the cutout in the waterblock needs to be.

No, the real problem is that the 5090 isn't one PCB, it's three (and a cable)

The GPU, GDDR7, and power delivery sit on one PCB (pictured). Then you have two small PCBs that plug into the backside of the primary PCB; One for the PCIe 5.0 slot, another one that runs down to the rear of the card and connects to the display outputs. I'll try and find a picture of screengrab from a video....

Edit:
Here you go -

 

[_roman_]

Pitty that they put the power slot diagonally. You won't be able to plug adapters like TG Wireview anymore..

Is it really so hard to make an adapter? Maybe ask those cable mod companies for that.

 

[Ruru]

I'm surprised that it's a dual-slot design, I was honestly sure that it's going to be a four-slot brick.

 

[silapakorn]

I'm surprised that it's a dual-slot design, I was honestly sure that it's going to be a four-slot brick.

But now it needs clearance for air from both sides of the card.

With this new design, Nvidia gets all the praise for a slimmer card, while case manufacturers get all the headaches for airflow problems.