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OP is talking the board is posting 2400mt/s with all sticks. It should be at 2667mt/s while most XMP kits and boards default straight to that speed.
That depends on the RAM sticks' default JEDEC profile.
 
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Bro it's 2025, DDR4 SDRAM is as cheap as it's ever gonna get, there really isn't any good reason to be screwing around with 4 mismatched sticks when you could pay 50 bucks and get 2x 16GB 3200MHz and literally never have to worry about it ever again.
 
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I recently picked up an AM4 board and a 5600X, and 16GB (2x8) of 3600 DDR4. I also have 8GB (2x4) of 3200 DDR4 (different brand) from several years ago. If I install both kinds of RAM, the system will boot, but it sets the RAM at 2400.

That leads me to my 2 questions:
1. What can I realistically expect for RAM speeds by manually clocking it? I would assume 3200, but I don’t know if that’s realistic with the mix ‘n match brands, sizes and speeds.

2. If I’m stuck at 2400mhz, am I better off with 24GB of slower RAM or 16GB of faster RAM? Gaming is the goal, and perhaps a 5600X is fine at slower speeds and more RAM will be more useful.

I know I can trial and error this, but if there’s one fault I have with my motherboard, it’s that the clear CMOS pins are stupidly-placed. I have to remove my 6700XT to get to them. Figured maybe the community might have “been there, done that” on this.
Put the slowest ram in the primary slots if they're marked on your board or in your user manual as "first" before trying all four sticks at once.

Don't waste your money on buying more 3600 RAM though - 16GB is adequate for now. I would probabl save up for a 5700X3D. Hell, if you have a bit of time to list and sell your old 5600X, you should be able to swap to a 5700X3D for a net cost of $150 or so which is a much better performance/$ spend than RAM. On top of that, X3D chips really don't care what RAM you give them, it'll be fast even at 2400MT/s because they have a far lower dependence on RAM bandwidth and latencies.

You could find a matching pair or DDR4-3600 for very little money these day, but expecting a 5600X to drive four DIMMS at XMP speeds isn't guaranteed. It'll probably work if your board isn't garbage and your CPU didn't lose hard in the silicon lottery, but I'd only give you a 90% success rate of running four DIMMs at 3600 on a harvested, low-end Zen3 part like the 5600X.
 
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I recently picked up an AM4 board and a 5600X, and 16GB (2x8) of 3600 DDR4. I also have 8GB (2x4) of 3200 DDR4 (different brand) from several years ago. If I install both kinds of RAM, the system will boot, but it sets the RAM at 2400.

That leads me to my 2 questions:
1. What can I realistically expect for RAM speeds by manually clocking it? I would assume 3200, but I don’t know if that’s realistic with the mix ‘n match brands, sizes and speeds.

2. If I’m stuck at 2400mhz, am I better off with 24GB of slower RAM or 16GB of faster RAM? Gaming is the goal, and perhaps a 5600X is fine at slower speeds and more RAM will be more useful.

I know I can trial and error this, but if there’s one fault I have with my motherboard, it’s that the clear CMOS pins are stupidly-placed. I have to remove my 6700XT to get to them. Figured maybe the community might have “been there, done that” on this.

You *should* be able to force 3200 on all four modules in the BIOS/UEFI. Just make sure the modules are in the proper channels.
 
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Put the slowest ram in the primary slots if they're marked on your board or in your user manual as "first" before trying all four sticks at once.

Don't waste your money on buying more 3600 RAM though - 16GB is adequate for now. I would probabl save up for a 5700X3D. Hell, if you have a bit of time to list and sell your old 5600X, you should be able to swap to a 5700X3D for a net cost of $150 or so which is a much better performance/$ spend than RAM. On top of that, X3D chips really don't care what RAM you give them, it'll be fast even at 2400MT/s because they have a far lower dependence on RAM bandwidth and latencies.

You could find a matching pair or DDR4-3600 for very little money these day, but expecting a 5600X to drive four DIMMS at XMP speeds isn't guaranteed. It'll probably work if your board isn't garbage and your CPU didn't lose hard in the silicon lottery, but I'd only give you a 90% success rate of running four DIMMs at 3600 on a harvested, low-end Zen3 part like the 5600X.
I've personally not seen any advantage using DDR4-3600 over -3200, but I've definitely seen a noticeable improvement going from 16GB => 32GB and later 32GB => 64GB (this was back when I was on AM4 not TR, the 128GB I have now is totally unnecessary overkill, but I got it sooooo why the heck not use it?). If you only use your PC for gaming then you might be able to get by with 16GB, but I actually do tasks other than that PC (I know right, shock horror) and having that extra memory available simply means you don't have to dick around with closing apps when you want to play a game. For me that removed need to micromanage is more than worth the sticker price of the RAM.
 
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there really isn't any good reason to be screwing around with 4 mismatched sticks when you could pay 50 bucks and get 2x 16GB 3200MHz
This was the writing on the wall for me in 2019 and somehow we got here. I run two Ballistix kits in this machine:
First Channel:
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It's the same -AES kit that was made instantly popular and noted by buildzoid as very overclockable memory.
I sometimes run these at 3600 but usually as high as 3800. The other kit is a direct successor to this one.
If you run mismatched memory that varies ANY amount more than that, do not expect good results.
 
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I've personally not seen any advantage using DDR4-3600 over -3200, but I've definitely seen a noticeable improvement going from 16GB => 32GB and later 32GB => 64GB (this was back when I was on AM4 not TR, the 128GB I have now is totally unnecessary overkill, but I got it sooooo why the heck not use it?). If you only use your PC for gaming then you might be able to get by with 16GB, but I actually do tasks other than that PC (I know right, shock horror) and having that extra memory available simply means you don't have to dick around with closing apps when you want to play a game. For me that removed need to micromanage is more than worth the sticker price of the RAM.
3200 was definitely the price/performance sweet spot but there are still measurable gains up to 3800, beyond which it becomes margin-of-error and silicon lottery is more likely to cause issues as you approach 4000 trying 1:1:1.

I only mentioned 3600 because that's what OP already has.

Gaming in 2025 seems fine on 16GB, but I agree you want 32GB if you're a heavy multitasker running dozens of Chrome windows, Discord, background utils etc.
 
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unless your willing to give up speed on the main thing: IF.
everything runs thru it, so why drop clock on it just to run 3200.
from the beginning amd and virtually all reviews shown 3600/1800 mhz is the sweet spot, not 3200.
only ppl buying early/looking for specific kits did so, havent seen anyone with ram tuning background recommending 3200 unless its CL12 maybe CL14,
where you can expect the ram to do 3600C16/18.

if there were no gains, ppl would run ram+IF @3800...
 
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That depends on the RAM sticks' default JEDEC profile.
Sounds like one of those kits is slow as molasses dripping from a pine tree in Antarctica.

Desired kit, 16-16-16-36 @ 3600mt/s and wouldn't settle for slower or looser than that if possible. On AMD or Intel platform.

Had got a kit on my old 13700K that was happy to run 4400mt/s and up to 4600mt/s benching. Of course with loose timings CL20/22 or so. Which isn't bad when you see people at CL18+ 3200 to 3600mt/s, the performance has to be horrible.
 
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Sounds like one of those kits is slow as molasses dripping from a pine tree in Antarctica.

Desired kit, 16-16-16-36 @ 3600mt/s and wouldn't settle for slower or looser than that if possible. On AMD or Intel platform.

Had got a kit on my old 13700K that was happy to run 4400mt/s and up to 4600mt/s benching. Of course with loose timings CL20/22 or so. Which isn't bad when you see people at CL18+ 3200 to 3600mt/s, the performance has to be horrible.
It also sounds like some compatibility issue. If one of the kits is 3200 mt/s, and the other one is 3600, but they won't run at 3200 together, then all that's left to do is play with the latencies and voltage until it works.

Or just get a matching kit. Whichever is easiest for OP.
 
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just did a quick test with aida, only dropped IF/ram down to 3200 and saw a r/w drop of +10%, L1 cache slower as well and latency up by 10%,
compared to 3600.
not really making sense to slow down the whole system, just to get more ram that most games wont use.
 
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just did a quick test with aida, only dropped IF/ram down to 3200 and saw a r/w drop of +10%, L1 cache slower as well and latency up by 10%,
compared to 3600.
not really making sense to slow down the whole system just to get more ram most games wont use.
That's just Aida. You probably wouldn't notice any drop in games.
 
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2. If I’m stuck at 2400mhz, am I better off with 24GB of slower RAM or 16GB of faster RAM? Gaming is the goal, and perhaps a 5600X is fine at slower speeds and more RAM will be more useful.
This is a very common question through the years, and it's pretty simple to answer.

The faster but lower capacity will be better than the slower but higher capacity until you need an amount the lower capacity can't fulfill. Once a capacity becomes insufficient and starts needing to page heavily, it doesn't matter how fast it is.

So to answer this question, you have to ask yourself the following question; do I need more than 16 GB RAM? If you don't know, you probably don't, but you should try and monitor your RAM needs to confirm it.

But this also comes down to details.

Zen 2 and Zen 3 should reliably do 3,600 MHz (if not then at least 3,200 MHz), probably even with four dual rank DIMMs but not always in that case. This will depend on motherboard, its BIOS, and silicon lottery, but since those later AM4 generations typically do at least that high, then it's more or less "free" performance for them, and you do lose out when running slower RAM due to the Infinity Fabric running lower. I'd consider 3,200 MHz fine for them if you can't reach 3,600 MHz, especially for an X3D, but speeds in the 2xxx MHz range, especially the lower end, would be leaving a lot of performance on the table.

With mixed kits though, you'll possibly have to manually tune settings to get them running at 3,200 MHz together, but it should be possible.

So to summarize...

If I needed over xx GB RAM, I'd choose the slower option since it's still faster than not enough RAM. If I didn't need it, I'd consider staying with faster, lower capacity RAM, especially if there's a substantial frequency loss like there is here.

If I was faced with an option that forced me to give up a lot of frequency though, and I needed more RAM, then I'd probably just buy something that didn't result in either tradeoff.
 
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Just as an update, I did try swapping the 3200 to the primary channel and the 3600 to the secondary channel, and that allowed me to set the XMP for 3200. It posted, booted to Windows, then blue screened. I'll probably not mess around with it too much more, and maybe I'll look into 32GB here in the near future.
 

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I guess my hope was to take the advice of those that already have. I won’t have time to actually try until this weekend at best, so I can wait. :D
Wouldn't help you much. Mem sticks and controllers are different, experiences will be different.
Aim for the least common denominator between your kits. Anything you can get above that, take it as a bonus.

Also: more RAM, even if slower.
 
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Just as an update, I did try swapping the 3200 to the primary channel and the 3600 to the secondary channel, and that allowed me to set the XMP for 3200. It posted, booted to Windows, then blue screened. I'll probably not mess around with it too much more, and maybe I'll look into 32GB here in the near future.
It's time to save your coin and move past DDR4 EOL platforms.

My humble 2 cents of course.
 
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It's time to save your coin and move past DDR4 EOL platforms.

My humble 2 cents of course.
Why?

As I've already said, DDR4 is so incredibly cheap at the moment, especially compared to DDR5 of comparable capacity, that if you have a DDR4 system that is working perfectly well for you and it just needs a RAM bump to make it even better... why waste money on a full DDR5 build? Especially when the DDR5 options are so ridiculously expensive while giving so little absolute improvement over DDR4. And even more so when you're running the newest possible DDR4 setup, like OP with their Zen 3 system.
 

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Why?

As I've already said, DDR4 is so incredibly cheap at the moment, especially compared to DDR5 of comparable capacity, that if you have a DDR4 system that is working perfectly well for you and it just needs a RAM bump to make it even better... why waste money on a full DDR5 build? Especially when the DDR5 options are so ridiculously expensive while giving so little absolute improvement over DDR4. And even more so when you're running the newest possible DDR4 setup, like OP with their Zen 3 system.
He missed the part where the OP has already acquired the parts. Fwiw, my 12600k is still running fine with DDR4.
 
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I'm still running Zen3 on one of my home machines. It's fast enough to keep up with a 7800XT and considering you can buy a 5700X3D to drop into an ancient, budget, AM4 platform it's practically a no-brainer for such a low price.

For most people gaming, the CPU, RAM, and motherboard are irrelevant and exist only to feed the graphics card. People shouldn't waste money on their platform if they're still GPU bottlenecked.
 
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Why?

As I've already said, DDR4 is so incredibly cheap at the moment, especially compared to DDR5 of comparable capacity, that if you have a DDR4 system that is working perfectly well for you and it just needs a RAM bump to make it even better... why waste money on a full DDR5 build? Especially when the DDR5 options are so ridiculously expensive while giving so little absolute improvement over DDR4. And even more so when you're running the newest possible DDR4 setup, like OP with their Zen 3 system.
A friend of mine has an AM4 system. He recently needed a gaming capable HTPC, so he built another one. I asked him why he didn't upgrade to AM5 and repurpose his main AM4 setup as a HTPC. He just said, it was cheaper this way and he doesn't need AM5. I can't say that he's wrong.

I'm still running Zen3 on one of my home machines. It's fast enough to keep up with a 7800XT and considering you can buy a 5700X3D to drop into an ancient, budget, AM4 platform it's practically a no-brainer for such a low price.

For most people gaming, the CPU, RAM, and motherboard are irrelevant and exist only to feed the graphics card. People shouldn't waste money on their platform if they're still GPU bottlenecked.
Agreed. EOL is a term used to describe stock at stores, not your home platform. The only truly EOL hardware is the one that isn't fit for purpose anymore.

Heck, I'm still using a 4th gen T-SKU (35 W) i7 in my bedroom HTPC. :D
 
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You don't usually have to use cmos jumper. The board should auto try settings at default 3 times. This takes a while.

If you are not patient, then set the retry count to 1 and the board should default the settings for you.

I'd start at 2667mt/s and work your way up. Saying this because we know exactly zero about the memory. Why not some Typhoon Burner screed shots of the eeprom tab?
BS, every board has it's "dumbness". I'm patient if it WORKS, but if it's just go stuck then better to reset...
 
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since i just did a clean install and hadnt run any benches yet, 1080P 3DMark11.

3200 3600
results
14602 14725
13763 13857
25262 26261
15638 15697
fps
74 75
70 70
70 71
40 41
80 83
73 73

while its not a huge difference, its there, and that's on a card slower than 3060Ti, and not even using things like rebar, where i doubt having 5-7GB/s less, wont matter.
heck just even looking at kits, 3600C18 runs at least at the same level as 3200C14, while usually same/cheaper, and definitely more common to be found in shop than 3200C14.

part why i always stick to getting ram that allows for 1:1 with bus clock, and the lowest timings buyer can afford, unless they dont just game, and can actually name 2 things
they do, that are known to use more ram (than they need for gaming).
 
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Just curious how long does it take? I give up about 5 minutes into that & just do them manually, although that probably also depends on the board?
yeah, depends a lot. some boards are correctly reset, others need manual.

That was my point, actually. :laugh:
Star Citizen and any other games that use >32GB are very much edge cases. 32GB is still 'the minimum' these days. (Though, 2x12GB kits for budget builds would be amusing)

I went to 64GB A. to 'finish out' my AM4 Platform build. and B. because I often have dozens of tabs I leave open and come back to.

Oh, and No. -it's not a finished game. Not even close.
Latest patch is only very slightly more playable than the last release version.
unfortunately, I STILL can't see any 2x12 GB.

3200 was definitely the price/performance sweet spot but there are still measurable gains up to 3800, beyond which it becomes margin-of-error and silicon lottery is more likely to cause issues as you approach 4000 trying 1:1:1.

I only mentioned 3600 because that's what OP already has.

Gaming in 2025 seems fine on 16GB, but I agree you want 32GB if you're a heavy multitasker running dozens of Chrome windows, Discord, background utils etc.
OF COURSE IT'S OBVIOUS that no one in 2025 will "close browser and other stuff" just to play game!:oops::rolleyes::kookoo:
So, 16 GB is "on the edge" for any average game, unless it's Solitaire.

personally id prefer less ram but faster if your a gamer, alternatively buy a new set 2x16gb 3600mhz, and sell both kits u have now, to recoup a chunk of the cost back.
I tried to swap 3x8 GB 2400 to 2x16 GB 3200 with cheapo GPU and i7-8700. Pure BS idea, NO POINT. 24 was WAY BETTER.
 
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Why?

As I've already said, DDR4 is so incredibly cheap at the moment, especially compared to DDR5 of comparable capacity, that if you have a DDR4 system that is working perfectly well for you and it just needs a RAM bump to make it even better... why waste money on a full DDR5 build? Especially when the DDR5 options are so ridiculously expensive while giving so little absolute improvement over DDR4. And even more so when you're running the newest possible DDR4 setup, like OP with their Zen 3 system.
Ddr5 is incredibly cheap.

Says waste money in hardware in excess of 25% performance gains.

Even LGA 1700 from ddr 4 to ddr5 is 10 to 20% performance gains.

Buy why keep sending money on AM4?
 
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Buy why keep sending money on AM4?
Two possible reasons:
The apps don't benefit from a jump to AM5 era CPUs+memory and there's no foreseeable updates that would make one reconsider.
The preferred offerings on AM5 boards still aren't financially sound or perpetually MIA/OoS.

I'm still on AM4 and staying here for a LOOOONG time. There's maybe one or two things where AM5 would be a benefit but I won't see it for years anyway.
It's a pattern and there are others that can see past the pattern as well. Making decisions like this is perfectly fine. Not everybody needs the new thing.
 
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