Catalyst Hotfix 71310 Restores Visual Elements at Expense of Performance

newconroer · Oct 30, 2008

Why can't we have such thorough posts with this kind of high level grammar and punctuation all the time?

Why does it only reveal itself in serious arguements!?!?
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ONE MORE POST DARKMATTER ! 1k!

erocker · Oct 30, 2008

Cool your jets fellas. It's obvious you guys aren't going to come to an agreement anytime soon on this thread, so before it escalates any more just leave it. Thanks.

El Fiendo · Oct 30, 2008

-OT-

newconroer said:
Why can't we have such thorough posts with this kind of high level grammar and punctuation all the time?

Why does it only reveal itself in serious arguements!?!?
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ONE MORE POST DARKMATTER ! 1k!

We should start a revolution of the interwebs. A grammatically friendly revolution, though it has to be very, very violent. No coup d'etat has ever satisfied the masses.

EastCoasthandle · Oct 30, 2008

ShogoXT said:
Anyone have any windows crossfire BSOD troubles?

Try changing fracry2.exe to AFR-FriendlyD3D.exe and see if that helps.

Wile E · Oct 30, 2008

EastCoasthandle said:
No, I am not missing the point but stated an opinion. You can agree or disagree but the point does stand on it's on merit within the content that I explained it. The post in which I left regarding the pic were directed more so towards the amount of information presented not about actual frame rates specifically. You can agree or disagree but lets not reinvent what was stated.

Ok, fair enough. In order to eliminate any possible confusion on our part, can you say, in layman's terms, what point it is you are trying to make, as many of us seem to be misunderstanding.

EastCoasthandle · Oct 30, 2008

Wile E said:
Ok, fair enough. In order to eliminate any possible confusion on our part, can you say, in layman's terms, what point it is you are trying to make, as many of us seem to be misunderstanding.

erocker has already issued the warning in this forum. It's better to just let it go IMO.

Wile E · Oct 30, 2008

EastCoasthandle said:
erocker has already issued the warning in this forum. It's better to just let it go IMO.

Oh, I'm not gonna argue. I'm just genuinely interested in what point is is you are trying to make. I seem to be misunderstanding.

Binge · Oct 30, 2008

I am pretty sure that before the peeps like El Fiendo were posting up and down E Coast's face there were people using the screens as reference for the fps of the bench and E Coast was saying these screens have nothing to do with the benchmarking... This is so stupid because they're all talking about the same thing.

EastCoasthandle said:
There you have it folks, it was intentionally done that way to skew results. Anyone who's played this game knows that the fps counter can fluctuate.

On the internet it is especially hard to put across sarcasm in a few sentences. Seriously this is where it all started. He's saying that the screens shouldn't have a fraps mark on them because they skew the concept of the screenshot. What's with the extra information? I think if people would have read his posts we would be saved an argument over nothing.

ShogoXT · Oct 30, 2008

Fixed itself after a while of messing with it.

DarkMatter · Oct 30, 2008

Ok I wanted my 1k post to be somehow special, so let's make a little bit of fun now.

A resume of the discussion:

"The first day of the weekend, the safety car did an average speed of 200 km/h."

"But in the second day it rained and the car was only able to attain an average of 150 km/h."

"We provide the screenshots so that you can compare the different conditions."

EasCoastHandle: "Duh! The skewed the results by taking tha photos in a different spot of the race."

Pretty much everybody else: "WTF?? :twitch:

"

Wile E · Oct 30, 2008

Well, I didn't want to egg that on. Guess I should've just shut up after all. Sorry erocker.

Binge · Oct 30, 2008

Yeah I'm really sorry too... Sorry Dark Matter...

Trizmatic · Oct 30, 2008

Wow, anyway...look at my screen shots to see what I was talking about in my previous post that got buried by pointless FPS crap. The road texture acts like a fog effect or water...it comes up over objects and you can still see them below the road.

The rocks aren't gone, they are just under the road texture. This isn't some strange plot to get better FPS by leaving out a few random rocks next to the road.

Here the tires of the car "vanish" to improve FPS. Or the road is too high... :rolleyes:

Here you can see how the road texture acts as water/fog almost. You can see the car door below the surface. This is where the rocks went.

DarkMatter · Oct 30, 2008

Trizmatic said:
Wow, anyway...look at my screen shots to see what I was talking about in my previous post that got buried by pointless FPS crap. The road texture acts like a fog effect or water...it comes up over objects and you can still see them below the road.

The rocks aren't gone, they are just under the road texture. This isn't some strange plot to get better FPS by leaving out a few random rocks next to the road.

Here the tires of the car "vanish" to improve FPS. Or the road is too high...

Here you can see how the road texture acts as water/fog almost. You can see the car door below the surface. This is where the rocks went.

You couldn't find a lighter place?

From (the few) what I can see, it seems the engine has some sort of feature that makes objects transparent when they are covered by others or something like that?
Then there's an issue with the displacement in the ground too, which is what it makes objects to be below the road? Might be something like that? Maybe the bad hotfix just somehow changed the heigh at which the objects start to be transparent or simply the amount of displacement...

btarunr · Oct 31, 2008

wow, what just happened :twitch:

- I'm glad the argument didn't go [too] far

- I'm glad things were genuinely discussed

- I'm glad people with histories of building up good arguments were involved

But I'm not happy things didn't fall into an agreement, there's nothing we can disagree on. The fps provided is the net result of the in-game benchmark, not of the scene rendered to show the "lost rocks" anomaly. Since the in-game bench follows a defined path along a map, its results cannot be manipulated internally, unless the reviewers had minimised a media player window playing HD Anime...or prettymuch anything that can mess with the results. Expreview is a very credible source, who have a long-standing reputation of neutrality with their news.

Hayder_Master · Nov 2, 2008

EastCoasthandle said:
All I did was back up .

Correct, the images are not in the same spot.

i think it is just in not same game time

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Catalyst Hotfix 71310 Restores Visual Elements at Expense of Performance

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