Radeon HD 4870 X2, HD 4850 X2 Faster and Better Than GeForce GTX 295, 285: AMD

[btarunr]

BTA i hope you see what has happened with your topic here bro, what a mess it has become, all within an hour it seems.

I can read

My previous post was 100% on topic: answering someone who thinks the slides are fake. As for some of the posts, you're lucky it was another moderator who babysat this thread.

 

[Laurijan]

EVEREYBODY kNOWS THAT THE NVEDIA IS BETTER CARD THAN thE ATI.

Here's an idea: Never listen to nvidia or ati tell you how their cards perform. Let an unbiased review site do that for you.

Honestly, stop going so ape shit over something like this. All these dorks here who are like, "OH EM GEE THEY ARE LIARS" need to grow up.

The main difference between genius and stupidity is genius has it's limits.

Aparently AMD doesnt

 

[eidairaman1]

larijan, enough don't try to add more fuel to the fire, read the most current post that Erocker had to say, you may want to think twice what you post k.

 

[Laurijan]

Ok i keep my opinion to myself

 

[Hayder_Master]

i swear i say this before when gtx295 come , i say 4870x2 beat gtx295 in extreme resolution or high resolution with full AA , cuz only high gddr5 can handle this

 

[Binge]

i swear i say this before when gtx295 come , i say 4870x2 beat gtx295 in extreme resolution or high resolution with full AA , cuz only high gddr5 can handle this

Back then that sounded wrong and now that still sounds wrong. What kind of person needs 8xAA at max resolution???

 

[Hayder_Master]

Back then that sounded wrong and now that still sounds wrong. What kind of person needs 8xAA at max resolution???

me as first one , maybe there is no different in quality but we can say there is some kind like you want run the game everything on max sitting , with new games (games use high details like crysis) , you see different , and for me there is no comparing between 2 card's in FPS when the FPS for booth of them go over 35 FPS ,so if you run crysis on gtx295 using mid resolution and you got 70 FPS and 4870x2 got 60 FPS sure there is no better performance here, but with 2500 resolution using gtx295 and you got 25 FPS and the 4870x2 got 35 FPS now there is different in performance

 

[iamverysmart]

i swear i say this before when gtx295 come , i say 4870x2 beat gtx295 in extreme resolution or high resolution with full AA , cuz only high gddr5 can handle this

GDDR5? GDDR5 is only one part of the memory subsystem. The RAM alone doesn't determine squat.

 

[iamverysmart]

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/09-01-21/150j.jpg
The memory comparision's are just wrong. One is using crossfire, making it in reality only 1GB

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/09-01-21/150e.jpg
They mention RAM bandwidth but what about the controller width?
Also who would use 8xAA?

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/09-01-21/150b.jpg
There are 1GB and 512MB 9800GTX+'s which they fail to mention.

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/09-01-21/150c.jpg
Their definition of "Top games" seems to fail to me. By what do they mean by top? Those games aren't the top(most popular) games of today.

 

[Frizz]

honestly it would be quite hard to choose between a 4870x2 or gtx295 the two don't exactly fall in the same price range anymore, but yes thank god I'm into mid range cards sub 200-300AUD instead of 700 - 1000AUD. Both cards are overkill and goddamn I wish I had one.

 

[jcfougere]

Q Q

 

[EvilOne]

I remember the pre-NDA agrement for reviews on the 295, they MUST include a listed 5 games (which nvida already ran better on).

This sample of benchmarks is no worse then that was.


Its clear that ATI have selected very few games, and even fewer res/aa/af settings to show the benchmarks for. Only the ones that beat nvidia infact (*shock horror*). I think these benchmarks are as honest as every other review site out there.

So what if the 4870x2 outperforms the 295 for less money on a few things, its hardly unexpected or lies. The 295 does outperperform on almost every other test, which is what you would expect at its price point.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Back then that sounded wrong and now that still sounds wrong. What kind of person needs 8xAA at max resolution???

Spot on, you dont need ANY AA at max res, even at 19xx my very old eyes cannot tell any difference between 2x and 4x.

As for the presentation, of course it's not lies, it's just very "selective" in it's information for a reason we all understand, whether we like it or not is another thing, personally I dont like it, not because i prefer one card or the other but because being "selective" with marketing and information of course can be misleading, it's like going to buy a car that is marketed as having the most powerful engine on the planet, but when you go to collect it....you find it has no wheels!

 

[EviLZeD]

Nvidia makes presentations like these too so i dont see why Ati shouldn't

 

[steelkane]

113 post on this news, fuel for there fire.

 

[nemesis.ie]

I disagree - I CAN see differences at 2560x1600 on my 30".

It is especially beneficial when there is foliage that you are moving through, e.g. much less "shimmer" from the trees as you pan or move past.

The same goes for wire-link fences, power lines, tree branches and such "fine" lines.

 

[phanbuey]

I disagree - I CAN see differences at 2560x1600 on my 30".

It is especially beneficial when there is foliage that you are moving through, e.g. much less "shimmer" from the trees as you pan or move past.

The same goes for wire-link fences, power lines, tree branches and such "fine" lines.

Youre talking about transperancy anti-aliasing... normal AA doesn't touch foliage and wire link fences.

 

[zads]

Spot on, you dont need ANY AA at max res, even at 19xx my very old eyes cannot tell any difference between 2x and 4x.

As for the presentation, of course it's not lies, it's just very "selective" in it's information for a reason we all understand, whether we like it or not is another thing, personally I dont like it, not because i prefer one card or the other but because being "selective" with marketing and information of course can be misleading, it's like going to buy a car that is marketed as having the most powerful engine on the planet, but when you go to collect it....you find it has no wheels!

I'd say the differences in AA are minimal,
and not noticeable in regular gameplay,
unless you going slow and looking for the differences.


But like I said before, these screenshots are simple marketing 101..
You should only show your own product's positives/benefits over the competition.
For example,
Are you ever going to see a Nissan 350Z car commercial that says:
"The 350Z has more engine horsepower than a Porsche Cayman S..
The 350Z costs $8,000 less than the Cayman S..
The 350Z brakes aren't as good and have worse stopping distance than the Porsche Cayman S.."
Never.

 

[phanbuey]

...
"The 350Z has more engine horsepower than a Porsche Cayman S..
The 350Z costs $8,000 less than the Cayman S..
The 350Z brakes aren't as good and have worse stopping distance than the Porsche Cayman S.."
Never.

I was waiting for a good car analogy.

 

[3870x2]

Back then that sounded wrong and now that still sounds wrong. What kind of person needs 8xAA at max resolution???

actually, at 1920x1200, with a 24 inch monitor, it is very important. Believe me, i own one. That is, unless you are legally blind.
The differences are definitely not minimal, and very noticeable in regular gameplay, for me atleast.

 

[zithe]

I use a 1080i TV and it looks awful without AA in games.

 

[DarkMatter]

I'd say the differences in AA are minimal,
and not noticeable in regular gameplay,
unless you going slow and looking for the differences.


But like I said before, these screenshots are simple marketing 101..
You should only show your own product's positives/benefits over the competition.
For example,
Are you ever going to see a Nissan 350Z car commercial that says:
"The 350Z has more engine horsepower than a Porsche Cayman S..
The 350Z costs $8,000 less than the Cayman S..
The 350Z brakes aren't as good and have worse stopping distance than the Porsche Cayman S.."
Never.

I agree but IMHO Ati just went one step further into misleading marketing. Nvidia also went one step further with their latest ones. I think that Ati/Nvidia are so submerged into competition that they also have to compete for the most outrageous marketing BS. They are still somehow far from pure BS, but it won't take to long at the actual rate. Whenever Ati takes the performance crown again, Nvidia will release their contender for the BS competition, and so will Ati when Nvidia is on top again, they just can't let the other have both crowns at the same time!!

 

[ShogoXT]

This kind of marketing doesnt bother me. From Nvidia too. A company will always try to say they are the "industry leader" if you ask them. The Nvidia renaming is kinda weird to me, but oh well.

The only marketing that gets me anymore is Apple's Mac vs PC marketing. The apple customers will come in your face and spout it at you even if its not true. Kinda anoyying.

 

[wolf]

Sorry ATi, no matter how you spin it, when impartial independant people analyze your products, your top end Dual-Core solution is matched by nVidia's Single-Core solution.

How about you stop putting so much money into BS marketing, and actually come out with a competitive product, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to do this. Not a product that matches last generation's products from your competitor, an actual competitive product. I'm being totally serious here, I really want ATi to start competiting. The consumer needs competition at the highest level. You have put out such great products in the past, and RV770 was a step in the right direction, but not a big enough step. And now, to top everything off, your letting your drivers degrade. I expect so much more.

+1 to a degree....

RV770 was more than a step in the right direction, it forced the market to change, and god bless it for that.

bottom line is, no matter what spin you put on it, Wiz's review clearly shows whats what.

 

[iStink]

WOW That's impressive! Way to go ATI! I think I know which brand I'LL be buying next!